Maybin and Steroids.

[Canadian'eh!]

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

[justasportsfan]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

If the bills aren't worried, I'm not.

[Pinkerton Security]

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Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

Dude...its very possible. Can you please link these "research" papers you read this on, because I've literally seen it done in LESS than 2 months.

[Patrick76777]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

Everyone of these football players use steroids. They're monsters! Just need to be clean for the tests.

[Mr. Pink]

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I thought the exact same thing when I saw the before and after pics especially with such a short time period involved.

Although, if he's ahead of the curve on testing, he won't get caught and won't miss any game. So it's kinda moot if he did or didn't seeing I'm sure plenty around the league are also ahead of the curve.

I watch the game to be entertained, not learn a morality lesson.

If you don't get caught, all is fair, I guess. If you get caught it's a different story because then you are detracting from the team and game.

[psubills62]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

I have to say, i'm really concerned about the weight gain that Maybin allegedly went through prior to the draft. It's very suspicious if true. (not to mention shaving a susbtatial amount of time off his 40 at the same time, meaning he was ALSO working on fast twitch muscle at the same time)

First of all, you cannot use "he didn't test positive at the combine" as an excuse. Because designer EPO and Steroids typically cannot be tested for. The makers are way ahead of the testers at all times. That's why they are rich. Once a test is developed for a product, it will soon be replaced by something else. Players who get caught are the ones who make "mistakes" by taking something old they acquired from an amateur or a tainted unlabeled supplement. Anyone going to a top trainer with proper knowledge and connections will get away with it. This is why the IOC saves olympic samples for 8 years. Because they need to test for the old drugs they couldn't at the time. Just yesterday 6 positives came back from a new test they didn't have in Beijing.

Secondly, Everything i've read in terms of scientifc research and papers, and the experiences of bodybuilders, trianers and even users of steroids tells me that 25 lbs of leanmuscle in 3 months (Maybin did it in 2!) is almsot impossible WITH steroids. WIthout they conclude that even a young supreme athelete in the prime of his career cannot physically gain 25lbs of lean muscle in that short a time period. Essentially it goes WAY beyond the upper limits of what muscle can grow naturally. The other problem is the number of caloried you'd have to consume to put on that musch muscle while working out as hard as you need to to add the muscle is insane. You'd probably have protein poisoning.

The point is, it would def seem as though ading 25 lbs of lean muscle in 2 months is a physical impossibility without steroids. Even with steroids it's a huge challenge.

So if the science of it seems to indicate it's impossible, how could the Bills doctors not tell them this? Should we be concerned?


One possibility is that he didn't really gain 25 lbs. When it comes to advertising fitness, companies like pwoertrain will use a lot of tricks and inflated numbers to advertise. a 12-15 lb gaincan be made 25 when you add water weight. Flexing. dedhydrating to make muscles pop. So the question is did he legitimately add 25 lbs of lean muscle.

My feeling is that if he did.... he used. a LOT.

anyone know if the 25 lbs a legit 25?

and should we be worried?

I don't think I can necessarily answer if it's a legit 25 pounds (not many people specifically on these boards can). But if the bolded paragraph is true, then there's not much to worry about. If he's going to a top trainer, then he'll get stuff that won't get him caught.

IMO, it seems legit. At the time of the combine, I read several reports about Maybin's weight gain, and none of them sounded overly concerned about steroids. I didn't see anything that said "this could only be done with steroids." Also, it didn't seem to concern the Bills. Everyone who cares about football and the draft knew about Maybin's weight gain, but there was almost zero peeps about steroids from people who weren't just suspicious fans.

So maybe it was legit, maybe it wasn't. But from the sounds of it, the NFL teams weren't too concerned, so I'm not sure if we should be.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

Not worried about this at all.

[soapman]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

Why because he's BLACK!?!?!?!

[OpIv37]

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I was under the impression that he went from 236 to 249. While it's not easy to put on 13 pounds of muscle in two months, it's not impossible and it's far more realistic than 25. I've seen my brother put on 10 pounds of muscle in two or three months, and that's with a full time job (unrelated to physical fitness) and without the help of professional trainers. Some people just have the frame and genetics for it.

That being said, there is cause for some suspicion- but I wouldn't worry about it as it's all just speculation at this point.

[TedMock]

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I put on 30 lbs, increased my bench press from 185 to 275, and cut my 40 time from 5.1 to 4.7 all in 3 months time. It was the summer before I went to college. I'm much older and fatter now, but I digress. I did this in 3 months with a ton of hard work. A lot of people, my best friends included, accused me of doing steroids and that sucked because I didn't even take protein powder. I worked at it 6 days a week all summer.

Do I wonder whether these guys juice? Of course I do. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt too. This is all these guys have to do. Two workouts a day, a meal regimen, etc all enforced by specialists. It's not impossible, but we should certainly not be naive that the juice is passed around big-time programs and NFL locker rooms.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

Why do you guys look for things to worry about?

[jmb1099]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

If he put on 25 pounds of muscle in two months, juice or no juice, that is an insane desire to prepare and shows the kind of work ethic we need on this team. Let's hope it translates to effectiveness on the field.

[The Spaz]

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Jesus why do people always have to try and find negative?

[Pinkerton Security]

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Jesus why do people always have to try and find negative?

bc I know I couldnt add that much muscle cleanly, and I'm a stinking IT analyst!!!

o wait, hes a professional athlete working with professional trainers EVERY DAY, and is on a very strict regimen and diet.

[Canadian'eh!]

Re: Maybin and Steroids.

2 points.

1- from the Bills perspective, knowing he's getting away with it right now, if true, isn't good enough. Eventually they might catch up to you (Merriman?). When dealers get caught they use high profile clients as leverage to make deals too. Not good.

2- People who claim they don't care as long as he doesn't get caught, i find to be short sighted. I have 2 boys. 6 and 9. in a few years they'll be in high school, possibly playing HS sports. the steroid issue in HS sports is huge these days. It's a health problem. And these kids are getting it from the professional athelete users who make it seem like a pretty good idea when you are rich and famous. As a fan of football, i don't care if they all use if we win. But life is more than football, and you'd like the people your kids look up to to be a good example to them.


I'm also not looking for something to complain about. IT's a legit question and i'm more thinking his weight gain is not that substantial, but in fact overblown.

YOu could also ask why he never added this weight at Penn St. Why did he have to wait until his million dollar payday??