Some possible beneficiaries of the addition of TO and Nelson

[Dr. Lecter]

Assuming the offensive line can protect Trent, Josh Reed, Steve Johnson, Derek Fine and the running backs could really benefit from the addition of TO and Nelson.

Think about the Bills in a 3-wide set - Owens, Evans and Reed. Nelson then motions out to the slot area.

At this time, the defense has to make some choices. Do you try and single cover Evans or Owens? If not, that leaves a DB to cover Reed and Nelson, possibly a safety, if the defense is in a dime package If they are not, a LB will be on one of those two creating a mismatch. Of course that would give the RB room in the flat or in a short pattern in the middle of the field. Or give him more room in a draw (maybe the middle of the line will actually create room for those plays now) or screen.

If Turk can be a little creative, the O-line can block adequately in pass protection and Trent can throw the ball (3 big if's) the offense could really flourish, even some of the guys we are not thinking much about.

[kid mickey]

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I am excited about the offensive possibilities if the line can hold up.

[Ed]

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Assuming the OL can protect Trent is a rather large assumption at this point.

Also, I think way too many people are expecting way too much from Nelson in his first season. A lot of people did the same thing with Hardy last year. It could be a few years before Nelson really becomes an assett.

[psubills62]

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I'm quite excited to see the offense in action.

I am one of the people who believe that Schonert wasn't terrible last season - it wasn't the plan that was the problem, most of the time - it was the execution. There were mutliple well-called screen passes that would have gone for 20 yards or more, but Lynch dropped the ball (I think he had about 7 "official" drops on the year, per Tim Graham's blog).

Here's hoping Nelson can contribute to the passing game right away, because this could be very, very dangerous. Maybe our defense could finally do what it was made to do - play with a lead.

[ddaryl]

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Think about the Bills in a 3-wide set - Owens, Evans and Reed. Nelson then motions out to the slot area.

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shortly afterwards Fred Jackson also motions to a wideout position. Giving us a 5 receiver spread

[psubills62]

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Assuming the OL can protect Trent is a rather large assumption at this point.

Also, I think way too many people are expecting way too much from Nelson in his first season. A lot of people did the same thing with Hardy last year. It could be a few years before Nelson really becomes an assett.

I'm a little skeptical of how much Nelson may contribute. But there's a big difference between Hardy last year and Nelson this year.

Last year, Hardy was a project. He had the size, but was not very polished at all in terms of receiving.

Nelson is not only faster, but he's more apt to work the middle of the field where Edwards will see him. He's also a better route-runner that gets separation. It's mainly his blocking that needs work.

[TacklingDummy]

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Assuming the offensive line can protect Trent, Josh Reed, Steve Johnson, Derek Fine and the running backs could really benefit from the addition of TO and Nelson.

Think about the Bills in a 3-wide set - Owens, Evans and Reed. Nelson then motions out to the slot area.

That's nice and all but it really does come down to Trent. This O has the potential to be great. The problem is does Trent have what it takes? I'm not really sure. We'll find out.

[Pinkerton Security]

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I'm a little skeptical of how much Nelson may contribute. But there's a big difference between Hardy last year and Nelson this year.

Last year, Hardy was a project. He had the size, but was not very polished at all in terms of receiving.

Nelson is not only faster, but he's more apt to work the middle of the field where Edwards will see him. He's also a better route-runner that gets separation. It's mainly his blocking that needs work.

uh...nelson is not faster??

Hardy ran a 4.47

Nelson ran a 4.56

also, Hardy is a WR and Nelson is a TE, so the comparison is a little off.

I wouldnt expect Nelson to catch more than 20 balls this year though.

[psubills62]

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uh...nelson is not faster??

Hardy ran a 4.47

Nelson ran a 4.56

also, Hardy is a WR and Nelson is a TE, so the comparison is a little off.

I wouldnt expect Nelson to catch more than 20 balls this year though.

Eh, you're right. But Nelson will most likely be matched up against LB's, while Hardy is matched up more against CB's. The CB's covering Hardy are much closer to his speed, whereas Nelson will have the upper hand.

The comparison isn't too far off because Nelson will contribute mostly as a pass-catching TE while he learns to block.

[Pinkerton Security]

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Eh, you're right. But Nelson will most likely be matched up against LB's, while Hardy is matched up more against CB's. The CB's covering Hardy are much closer to his speed, whereas Nelson will have the upper hand.

The comparison isn't too far off because Nelson will contribute mostly as a pass-catching TE while he learns to block.

true. He certainly could stretch the field as a TE, I hope we can see some of his athleticism this year.

[FlyingDutchman]

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Assuming the offensive line can protect Trent, Josh Reed, Steve Johnson, Derek Fine and the running backs could really benefit from the addition of TO and Nelson.

Think about the Bills in a 3-wide set - Owens, Evans and Reed. Nelson then motions out to the slot area.

At this time, the defense has to make some choices. Do you try and single cover Evans or Owens? If not, that leaves a DB to cover Reed and Nelson, possibly a safety, if the defense is in a dime package If they are not, a LB will be on one of those two creating a mismatch. Of course that would give the RB room in the flat or in a short pattern in the middle of the field. Or give him more room in a draw (maybe the middle of the line will actually create room for those plays now) or screen.

If Turk can be a little creative, the O-line can block adequately in pass protection and Trent can throw the ball (3 big if's) the offense could really flourish, even some of the guys we are not thinking much about.

Good points. Nelson is too fast for a LB to cover and has great size and will make it difficult for a safety to cover. Id like to see Nelson split off the line when he has a linebacker covering him. The combination of his size and speed gives a much needed red zone threat. Now you add TO and Hardy into the mix, as well as Lynch out of the backfield, and there should be no reasons our red zone offense doesnt improve tremendously.

[Mr. Pink]

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Everyone's numbers in terms of receiving should go down with the arrival of TO. Mainly because he's that much better.

Josh Reed won't catch 60 balls with TO here.

Lee Evans won't get as many looks because TO is, well, better.

Schouman or Fine or whoever at TE should get better numbers because well Royal was just that bad.

Jackson/Lynch's catches should go down as well.

The person who should mostly benefit is Edwards by having a legitimate weapon in the offense.

[Ed]

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I'm a little skeptical of how much Nelson may contribute. But there's a big difference between Hardy last year and Nelson this year.

Last year, Hardy was a project. He had the size, but was not very polished at all in terms of receiving.

Nelson is not only faster, but he's more apt to work the middle of the field where Edwards will see him. He's also a better route-runner that gets separation. It's mainly his blocking that needs work.

Yeah, I agree that Nelson and Hardy aren't necessarily the same type of player. I was making more of a general comment that fans tend to get overly excited about rookies and build up a lot of expectations, which isn't really fair. I was just comparing him to Hardy because the talk about Nelson coming in and being a weapon for Trent right away reminds me a lot of the same talk that revolved around Hardy last year. I hope and expect that Nelson will be a good TE for us, I just think that it may not happen next year. Being a receiving threat at the pro level, whether it be WR or TE, usually takes time.

[psubills62]

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Yeah, I agree that Nelson and Hardy aren't necessarily the same type of player. I was making more of a general comment that fans tend to get overly excited about rookies and build up a lot of expectations, which isn't really fair. I was just comparing him to Hardy because the talk about Nelson coming in and being a weapon for Trent right away reminds me a lot of the same talk that revolved around Hardy last year. I hope and expect that Nelson will be a good TE for us, I just think that it may not happen next year. Being a receiving threat at the pro level, whether it be WR or TE, usually takes time.

I agree, that's mainly why I'm skeptical about it. I just think that Nelson is more ready to contribute this year than Hardy was last year. Also, even if Nelson doesn't start from Week 1, he'll have less competition as a receiving TE than Hardy had at WR last year.

Nelson probably won't have decent numbers, mainly because we have two or more legitimate receiving threats already, and because he's a rookie.

[ServoBillieves]

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Boy you want to talk scary for a secondary...

Lineup as...

Owens -- Evans -- (Line) -- Jackson (from motion) -- Reed -- Stevie

Sets up the bubble screen, two deep threats, over the middle... UGH this season can't come fast enough!