If the Bills kept xxxx They would have no chance

[psubills62]

Since I'm bored at work, I'd like to do a spoof thread of Mahdi's original:

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=174261

It's a good thread, but it got me to thinking: if all of the above people were contributing significantly to the Bills in 2009, which one would you get rid of to help us win more games? These are all people who, imo, contributed significantly to the Bills losing games in previous (and future) seasons.

Any thoughts? Basically, which one would you LEAST want to have on the team?

[Mahdi]

Melvin Fowler... He got destroyed and might have been one of the main reasons we couldn't run the ball the 3 seasons he played for us.

[OpIv37]

Jauron. It starts at the top. He's worth -2 wins a year, and that's probably being generous.

[kid mickey]

Don't know who to vote for. The only guy I wouldn't vote for is Jauron. I think he is a good coach.

[OpIv37]

Don't know who to vote for. The only guy I wouldn't vote for is Jauron. I think he is a good coach.

7-9, 7-9, 7-9 in Buffalo.
One 13-3 season sandwiched in the middle of 4 losing seasons in Chicago.

57-76 career record (56-72 if you throw out the 1-4 record in Detroit).

Can't use a challenge or a timeout to save his life. Never had a D in the top 10 in the league in 8 full seasons as head coach. Yup, he's a good coach :rolleyes:

[psubills62]

Don't know who to vote for. The only guy I wouldn't vote for is Jauron. I think he is a good coach.

Yeah, I don't normally agree with Op, but this time I have to. I used to think he was a decent coach that just had average talent, but the guy is pretty bad.

[kid mickey]

I don't think Jauron is bad. I think he did a decent job. Marv Levy wasn't a winner right away either. Jauron is gonna be okay I think.

[lmcshadow]

Watching J.P. mature at the end of 2006 then completly fall apart the next year takes my vote

[psubills62]

I don't think Jauron is bad. I think he did a decent job. Marv Levy wasn't a winner right away either. Jauron is gonna be okay I think.

Yeah, but Levy eventually became a winner. Jauron had one great-looking season, then mediocre to bad every other time. I just don't see any indication that he could take this team very far.

What's frustrating is that I look at guys like Mike Tomlin. When I hear him speak, I see his passion for the game, for winning, and on the field I see the results of his intelligent coaching. With Jauron? Nothing.

This team needs a guy like Tomlin, imo.

[kid mickey]

We will see. I think that Jauron has passion for the game. He wasn't exactly presented with a team that could get him to the play-offs. Jauron isn't a fiery guy. He is a guy who reminds me a lot of Tony Dungy. He just needs more expeirence with the guys he has now and I think the team might be a winner. It took time with Peyton Manning under center. He didn't get it done his first year under center. I think Edwards shines this year. Jauron will look really good if this team makes the play-offs this year.

[sdbillsfan2]

Don't know who to vote for. The only guy I wouldn't vote for is Jauron. I think he is a good coach.



What part of these stats make you think he is even a "good" coach ?

Sorry Mick...don't see it !
Coaching Results

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NFL - National Football League
AFL - American Football League
AAFC - All-American Football Conference
APFA - American Professional Football Association')" align="center">Lg</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games played')" align="center">G</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games Won')" align="center">W</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Games Lost')" align="center">L</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Tie Games')" align="center">T</th> <th class="hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage of team
For coaches, minimum to qualify for leading is 50 games.
After 1972, ties are counted as half-wins and half-losses.
Prior, the league didn\'t count them as games in W-L% calculations.')" align="center">W-L%</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Playoff games coached in')" align="center">G plyf</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('All Playoff Wins')" align="center">W plyf</th> <th class="" onmouseover="Tip('Playoff games lost')" align="center">L plyf</th> <th class="show_partial_when_sorting hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage of team in playoffs
For coaches, minimum to qualify for leading is 4 games.
Includes games in the pre-Super Bowl era.')" align="center">W-L%</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" onmouseover="Tip('Team\'s Finish in Division')" align="center">Rank</th> <th class="sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Notes</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">1999 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1999/)</td> <td align="right">49</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1999.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1999_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.375</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2000 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/)</td> <td align="right">50</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.313</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2001 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2001/)</td> <td align="right">51</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.813</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2002 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2002/)</td> <td align="right">52</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2002_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.250</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2003 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/)</td> <td align="right">53</td> <td align="left">Chicago Bears (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2003.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2003_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2005 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/)</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="left">Detroit Lions (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2005.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">5 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/2005_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.200</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2006 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/)</td> <td align="right">56</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2006.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2006_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2007 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/)</td> <td align="right">57</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2007_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="left">
</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class=""> <td align="left">2008 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2008/)</td> <td align="right">58</td> <td align="left">Buffalo Bills (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2008.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL</td> <td align="right">16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2008_games.htm)</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="left">
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</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">133</td> <td align="right">57</td> <td align="right">76</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="" align="right">.429</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">3.2</td> <td align="left">Avg Finish</td> </tr> <tr style="" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);" class="stat_total"> <td align="left">5 yrs</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">CHI</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">80</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">45</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="" align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.000</td> <td align="right">3.4</td> <td align="left">
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</td> <td align="left">BUF</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">48</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.438</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3.0</td> <td align="left">
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</td> <td align="left">DET</td> <td align="left">
</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">.200</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td class="non_qual" align="right">
</td> <td align="right">3.0</td> <td align="left">
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Games over .500: -19
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 0
Division Championships: 1

[kid mickey]

I don't know I mean a lot of good coaches were bad early on. Bellicheat wasn't good when he was in Cleveland. Levy wasn't good in KC. I hope he hits his stride this year.

[Mad Bomber]

As much as I have hated being DICKED these past few years, I had to go with JP. Worst first round tradeup EVER (look at the other QBs from his draft class).

OK...after thinking about it, the McCargo first round tradeup is equally as heinous.

[kid mickey]

Not sure about McCargo he was in the dog house last year. There has to be a reason his still on this team. Some DT's take some time to really be effective.