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  • Coach Sal
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    • Aug 2006
    • 2475

    Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

    Part of my early may NFL rumors and news. Some other stuff from around the league (including all AFC East teams) everyone may be interested in, too:

    http://www.salsports.com/NFLMayUpdate.htm
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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101255

    #2
    Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

    4 WR's with two rookies on the OL and an inexperienced QB? That sounds very Gilbride-like.

    I'm also not sold on the no huddle idea. Our D frequently gave up long drives and lost the TOP battle last year. Even in its' K-Gun heyday, the no-huddle often left the D on the field too long.
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    • venis2k1
      Youboty can hope
      • Jul 2002
      • 4621

      #3
      Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

      Spread em wide...best way to slow down pass rushing LBs is to get em off the field.

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      • trapezeus
        Legendary Zoner
        • Oct 2004
        • 19525

        #4
        Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

        if edwards knock is he can't throw the long ball, then i think going no huddle is going to help him. He shows he can hit the short pass and intermediate pass even with a rush. If he has more options and can get mismatches from getting personnel changes from the D, this has a chance to be very successful for the first half of the season. once the weather changes, we'll see if the knock on edwards arm strength are warranted.

        also, edwards has run the 2 minute drill very well in his short time.if it helps get defenses off their game and mess up their constanting stopping of a predictable buffalo O, I'm all for this.

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        • justasportsfan
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 71580

          #5
          Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

          Originally posted by OpIv37
          Our D frequently gave up long drives and lost the TOP battle last year. Even in its' K-Gun heyday, the no-huddle often left the D on the field too long.
          So what? We have high motor DE's.
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          • Lexwhat
            Registered User
            • Feb 2005
            • 2926

            #6
            Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

            Originally posted by OpIv37
            4 WR's with two rookies on the OL and an inexperienced QB? That sounds very Gilbride-like.

            I'm also not sold on the no huddle idea. Our D frequently gave up long drives and lost the TOP battle last year. Even in its' K-Gun heyday, the no-huddle often left the D on the field too long.
            What we've been doing for the past few years hasen't worked either. A no huddle offense CAN'T be any worse than 1-2-3 out (which is what the Bills do too often).

            Our offense has been in the bottom third of the league that entire time. I am all for trying something new.

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            • TigerJ
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 22575

              #7
              Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

              I think it's very much worth exploring. The no huddle does not have to be run as a hurry up offense, nor does it have to be done as a big play offense. It can be run at a slow pace and used as a ball control offense. When thus run, you may give up some of the benefits of tirng out the defense, but you still retain the advantages of preventing defensive substitutions, and thus having much more control over matchups. I would like to see the Bills use some different personnel packages in the no huddle too, instead of three WRs and Nelson split wide. I think they could run it with Lynch and Jackson on the field at the same time. Jackson could line up as a WR, or in the backfield with Lynch. With my limited technical knowledge of offensive schemes, I think it would only add to the matchup headaches fro the defense.
              I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

              I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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              • Coach Sal
                Registered User
                • Aug 2006
                • 2475

                #8
                Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                By the way, Nelson being the 4th wide also will allow the Bills to move him tight if and when they need to, creating the "normal" 3 WR; 1 TE; 1 RB set.

                Nelson's the key.
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                • Dr. Lecter
                  Zero for Zero!
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 67938

                  #9
                  Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                  Originally posted by OpIv37
                  4 WR's with two rookies on the OL and an inexperienced QB? That sounds very Gilbride-like.

                  I'm also not sold on the no huddle idea. Our D frequently gave up long drives and lost the TOP battle last year. Even in its' K-Gun heyday, the no-huddle often left the D on the field too long.
                  They did not lose the TOP battle last year. The offense averaged 30:04 per game.

                  Link.
                  Originally posted by mysticsoto
                  Lecter is right in everything he said.

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                  • madness
                    Registered User
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 13690

                    #10
                    Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                    You don't sit back and let a 3-4 defense attack you and hope for the best. Make those 3-4 LB's cover!

                    We have the playmakers needed to make this offense work. Evans and Owens on the outside and a handful of variations between Reed, Parrish, Nelson, Jackson or Lynch on the inside.

                    The bar has been set and this offense better be nothing less than explosive by mid season. Turk is going into his second year and this is his biggest chance to show he deserves to be in this league. A top 15 offense will be at least expected at this point.

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101255

                      #11
                      Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                      Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                      They did not lose the TOP battle last year. The offense averaged 30:04 per game.

                      Link.
                      Did you or did you not see our D give up 7 minute drives last year? In one game, they gave up a 9 minute opening drive. 9!!!!!

                      And they usually have to go right back on the field cuz the O pulls a 3 and out. If we run the no-huddle, they'll be going right back on the field regardless if we score or go 3 and out.

                      They won the TOP battle by a mere 4 seconds. If we were running the no-huddle, our scoring drives would have been much shorter and we would NOT have won the TOP battle.
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                      • FlyingDutchman
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                        • Apr 2005
                        • 5074

                        #12
                        Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                        They should go with a change of pace offense where they huddle up at times, and then just go into a no huddle to keep defenses off balance. This would allow our defense to rest up at times

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                        • Oaf
                          Do you read what you write?
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 6151

                          #13
                          Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                          Any set that keeps the pitful H-back/FB position off the field.

                          I would also like to see a lot of 2-back formations with Lynch and Jackson in the pro set and Reed/Nelson/Fine at that flex spot (though this might be a tell).

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                          • OpIv37
                            Acid Douching Asswipe
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 101255

                            #14
                            Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                            Originally posted by Lexwhat
                            What we've been doing for the past few years hasen't worked either. A no huddle offense CAN'T be any worse than 1-2-3 out (which is what the Bills do too often).

                            Our offense has been in the bottom third of the league that entire time. I am all for trying something new.
                            the one thing I will say is that the Bills did seem to be slightly more effective in the 2 min drill than they were in their regular offense, so it can't hurt. But there are some flaws in this as well. There are reasons why most teams don't use 4 wide and/or no huddle as a base O.
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                            • Dr. Lecter
                              Zero for Zero!
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 67938

                              #15
                              Re: Bills 4 wide, 1 RB base set?

                              Originally posted by OpIv37
                              Did you or did you not see our D give up 7 minute drives last year? In one game, they gave up a 9 minute opening drive. 9!!!!!

                              And they usually have to go right back on the field cuz the O pulls a 3 and out. If we run the no-huddle, they'll be going right back on the field regardless if we score or go 3 and out.

                              They won the TOP battle by a mere 4 seconds. If we were running the no-huddle, our scoring drives would have been much shorter and we would NOT have won the TOP battle.
                              I never said they did not give up long drives, nor did I say they won it by a large margin. And yes, the no huddle will likely limit TOP.

                              Point is, they did not lose that battle last year. It was fairly even, so it was not as bad as you said it was.
                              Originally posted by mysticsoto
                              Lecter is right in everything he said.

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