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  • Mitchell55
    only another 1000 mocks due by tomorrow!
    • Feb 2008
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    How does a spread offense look on a DC?

    How does it look. Like this?

    WR1- Evans, Hardy
    WR3- Reed, Parrish
    WR2- Owens, Johnson
    WR4- Nelson, Fagg?


    Im just wondering. Also, once I get the answer, post how you think it will look, just for outside thoughts.
  • Ebenezer
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    • Jul 2002
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    #2
    Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

    I have no clue what you are asking.

    I suspect that when the Bills have to go four wide it will be Evans, Owens, Reed and Parrish. There may be times we see Fred Jackson or Stevie Johnson out there, too.




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    • The Spaz
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      • Mar 2003
      • 19066

      #3
      Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

      Why are you listing Fagg at this point? The guy hasn't even been signed yet if he will at all.

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      • Mitchell55
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        • Feb 2008
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        #4
        Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

        Originally posted by Ebenezer
        I have no clue what you are asking.

        I suspect that when the Bills have to go four wide it will be Evans, Owens, Reed and Parrish. There may be times we see Fred Jackson or Stevie Johnson out there, too.


        Our spread offense is our offense now. Like the colts had Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalaz, and Clark. We will have Evans, Owens, Reed, and Nelson. Thats why we havent, and didnt pick up a FB and why we got a fast TE/WR.

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        • Mitchell55
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          #5
          Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

          Originally posted by The Spaz
          Why are you listing Fagg at this point? The guy hasn't even been signed yet if he will at all.


          Someone to fill it up. Only WR I could think of outside of Jenkins.

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          • The Spaz
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            • Mar 2003
            • 19066

            #6
            Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

            We definitely have weapons it's just up to the o-line to block and Trent to find them.

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            • Mitchell55
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              • Feb 2008
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              #7
              Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

              ESPN's Tim Graham reported last week that the Bills may use a no-huddle offense this season. Not only was this also confirmed to me by a source close to the team, I was also told now that the team has a tight end they feel can be an important part of the passing game (rookie Shawn Nelson), they will look to use much more spread-formations in their base offensive sets, using three wide receivers, plus splitting Nelson out as a 4th receiver, and only using one running back in the backfield. The source said the Bills may do this even when they do not a run a no-huddle. The Bills had incorporated a fullback into their offensive gameplan more often the past two seasons. Running more 4 wide, 1 RB sets would obviously mean there wouldn't be a FB on the field as often.




              Salsports.

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              • Ingtar33
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                • Sep 2002
                • 15469

                #8
                Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                are you asking how will Defensive coordinators game plan for us?

                well it depends a lot on what we do with the offense. The trick is this... if we spread the field on the majority of our downs, we take away a lot of deceptive zone blitzing and exotic coverages that defenses can throw at you. About the only team that hides it's coverages well against a spread is the Pats... most other teams are pretty much an open book once you spread the field.

                now... spreading the field and putting trent in the shotgun would help him a bit with the pre-snap reads... but it also puts tremendous pressure on the o-line... because you can run a basic coverage scheme and have a pretty good day if the QB is on his back all game. The big weakness you'll see in a spread is the lack of bodies to block a blitz... worse... there is little margin for error even with a basic 4 man rush.

                So i guess the big questions that need to be answered is...
                1. how good will the line be
                2. how well trent will function in the spread
                3. how well will we run the ball out of the spread
                4. are our WRs getting open

                you know the answers to that and you know how the DCs in the league will respond to it.
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                • Turbo.GUN.Hawk!
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                  #9
                  Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                  In order to have a good spread offense we need to protect our quarterback, it's not that difficult to undestand: if our o-line collapses Trent is going to get killed! Now, considering we just changed our entire blind side of the o-line I do not know what to expect.

                  It is not easy to execute a spread offense.
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                  • TigerJ
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                    • Jul 2002
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                    #10
                    Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                    I imagine Schouman could split out. I don't know, maybe Fine could too. They just aren't going to stretch defenses the way Nelson should be able to. Fagg will be lucky to make the PS.
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                    • Mitchell55
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                      • Feb 2008
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                      #11
                      Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                      Originally posted by Turbo.GUN.Hawk!
                      In order to have a good spread offense we need to protect our quarterback, it's not that difficult to undestand: if our o-line collapses Trent is going to get killed! Now, considering we just changed our entire blind side of the o-line I do not know what to expect.

                      It is not easy to execute a spread offense.


                      I dont know what you are talking about. Its almost impossible to blitz a spread offense because you need 5-6 DBs at all times which only leaves 1-2 LBs. As long as all 5 OL and Lynch can hold up 4 DL, we should be fine. Heres my take from another post.




                      Evans on the far left, Reed in the left slot, Owens at the far right, Nelson in the slot, Lynch in the backfield. Theres no way they can blitz us. They cant double cover Owens or Evans individualy because Owens is to big and strong and Evans is to fast. So thats 4 DBs covering them already. Then you have Reed or Parrish being covered by a LB along with Nelson. Aint going to work. Then you have to bring in 2 more DBs, so thats 6 DBs on the field most of the time, 1 LB, and the 4 DL. But then you have Lynch. You are forced to take double coverage off a WR or take out a DB. So either you have 1 on 1 coverage with Owens or Evans, or you have Nelson whos a very fast big TE who is more of a reciever, being covered by a LB. These teams are screwed, especially 3-4 teams.

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                      • Mitchell55
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                        • Feb 2008
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                        #12
                        Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                        I was also just asking what it looks like on a depth chart so I dont look stupid when posting them like I normally do. You dont have to answer, ill just look at the colts DC.

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                        • Captain gameboy
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 14287

                          #13
                          Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                          Originally posted by Mitchell55
                          I dont know what you are talking about. Its almost impossible to blitz a spread offense because you need 5-6 DBs at all times which only leaves 1-2 LBs. As long as all 5 OL and Lynch can hold up 4 DL, we should be fine. Heres my take from another post.




                          Evans on the far left, Reed in the left slot, Owens at the far right, Nelson in the slot, Lynch in the backfield. Theres no way they can blitz us. They cant double cover Owens or Evans individualy because Owens is to big and strong and Evans is to fast. So thats 4 DBs covering them already. Then you have Reed or Parrish being covered by a LB along with Nelson. Aint going to work. Then you have to bring in 2 more DBs, so thats 6 DBs on the field most of the time, 1 LB, and the 4 DL. But then you have Lynch. You are forced to take double coverage off a WR or take out a DB. So either you have 1 on 1 coverage with Owens or Evans, or you have Nelson whos a very fast big TE who is more of a reciever, being covered by a LB. These teams are screwed, especially 3-4 teams.
                          You are wrong.

                          The first thing you do is take one of the four out at the line of scrimmage.

                          The second thing you do is attempt to get to Edwards before all of these mismatches play out.

                          In your scenario, we have four O-linemen and a running back in our protection scheme.

                          In other words, you are describing a run and shoot offense, with multiple adjustments by the receivers.

                          I'm not sure the run and shoot will work, and I don't think the receiver match ups will be as important as the protection match ups.

                          It all distills down to the same thing. If we have dominant offensive line play, we can dictate. If we don't we are the dictate-ee, as has been the case for many a year.

                          I'm thinking that our offensive line foundation will be laid this year, but we are nowhere near dominant.

                          In other words, tell me about receiver/db match ups at the four second mark, but let's worry about getting to the four second mark first.

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                          • Mitchell55
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                            #14
                            Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                            Originally posted by gameboy
                            You are wrong.

                            The first thing you do is take one of the four out at the line of scrimmage.

                            The second thing you do is attempt to get to Edwards before all of these mismatches play out.

                            In your scenario, we have four O-linemen and a running back in our protection scheme.

                            In other words, you are describing a run and shoot offense, with multiple adjustments by the receivers.

                            I'm not sure the run and shoot will work, and I don't think the receiver match ups will be as important as the protection match ups.

                            It all distills down to the same thing. If we have dominant offensive line play, we can dictate. If we don't we are the dictate-ee, as has been the case for many a year.

                            I'm thinking that our offensive line foundation will be laid this year, but we are nowhere near dominant.

                            In other words, tell me about receiver/db match ups at the four second mark, but let's worry about getting to the four second mark first.


                            If they try and blitz you are leaving Evans or Owens on 1 on 1 coverage automatically. If they dont they are leaving Lynch open to bust out a 4+ yard run each time.

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                            • Jan Reimers
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                              • May 2003
                              • 17353

                              #15
                              Re: How does a spread offense look on a DC?

                              Oh, you meant how would a spread offense with multiple WRs look on a Depth Chart?

                              I think most show traditional positions, including RB, FB, WR1 and WR2, and TE. The 3rd, 4th or even 5th receivers would come from the backups to WR1 and WR2, or the TE, RB, or even FB position.

                              I would think we'll run a lot of the more traditional 3 WR, TE, RB sets this year, and not just the no huddle, spread offense all of the time.
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