Over the last few seasons....

[OpIv37]

Which players have actually improved signficantly from one season to the next, and how many games has it helped us win?

Admittedly, the second part of that is difficult to quantify. But every off-season, I keep hearing about how this team is supposed to improve via the young guys we have getting better. Well, it never seems to happen.

Going back to 2006, the first post-Donahoe year, how many players have actually improved from one season to the next enough to really help this team?

Jason Peters? Definitely
Fred Jackson? Definitely
Greer? Yes
Lee Evans? Yes, but he later regressed.
Kyle Williams? Yes, but he later regressed.
Youboty? Yes, but he can't stay on the field.
Lynch? Arguably, but he was pretty damn good his rookie year too.
Parrish? Nope (arguably as a PR, but he was always a good PR)
Whitner? Nope.
Poz? Nope.
Losman? Nope.
Edwards? Nope.
Butler? Arguably.
Royal? Nope.
McCargo? Nope.
Ellison? Nope.

I can really only come up with 3 good examples of players who improved significantly from one year to the next without later regressing, and two of them aren't even here anymore.

So, help me out- either give me the names of guys that I missed, or end this ridiculous myth about how "player improvement" is going to make this team better. It's this cliche that's been floating around this board for at least 3 years and it has yet to actually materialize on the field.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=175487

[OpIv37]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...d.php?t=175487

first, someone missed the sarcasm in that post.

Second, there is no whining going on here. I'm merely commenting on how people on this board have attached themselves to a cliche despite the fact that it's not true. It's a legitimate discussion of the team and how it's viewed on this board.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

I think Butler is a def yes but he's my favorite lineman. I think Reed has def improved. I agree with the rest but I do think this was Poz first true season. For us to have any sucess next season Trent and Poz must take the next step. The other two guys who must improve are Fine and McCargo, strickly for depth. McKelvin is a slam dunk to improve and I think will be an allpro type corner.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

first, someone missed the sarcasm in that post. .

I got the sarcasm, it's just funny to point it out .

Second, there is no whining going on here. I'm merely commenting on how people on this board have attached themselves to a cliche despite the fact that it's not true. It's a legitimate discussion of the team and how it's viewed on this board.

na, it's just a smokescreen for you to continue whats going on in HH thread.

[OpIv37]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

na, it's just a smokescreen for you to continue whats going on in HH thread.

more or less- this is a related issue to what's going on in that thread, but that thread is already to convoluted to give it proper attention. So I started a new one.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

Trent Edwards improved, but then regressed....the concussion might have had some impact on that though.

Josh Reed has progressed overall since Donahoe, but I dunno if he's doing year after year. Basically he's peaked, which is better than what he was while Donahoe was in charge.

The DT position itself has improved, Tim Anderson to Stroud.

That's all I can think of.

[TheMan08]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

Trent regressed due to concussion. In first 5 games last year, he was impressive.

If protected Trent will be a good QB.

[OpIv37]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

Trent Edwards improved, but then regressed....the concussion might have had some impact on that though.

Josh Reed has progressed overall since Donahoe, but I dunno if he's doing year after year. Basically he's peaked, which is better than what he was while Donahoe was in charge.

The DT position itself has improved, Tim Anderson to Stroud.

That's all I can think of.

and even the DT improvement was a personnel change and not player improvement.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

and even the DT improvement was a personnel change and not player improvement.

True, but improvement is improvement.

Or were you only looking for actual players that have improved?

If so I only got 2.

[OpIv37]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

Trent regressed due to concussion. In first 5 games last year, he was impressive.

If protected Trent will be a good QB.

I'd say it was a combination of a concussion and having to play better teams. I'm not sold on him yet, but I agree that it depends a lot on the protection. If the OL doesn't hold up, he's screwed either way (and the rest of the team is screwed with him).

[TheMan08]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

Tim Anderson was a beast.

[OpIv37]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

True, but improvement is improvement.

Or were you only looking for actual players that have improved?

If so I only got 2.

Players, because so many people on this board seem to be counting on "player improvement" for this team to get better. Many people talk about it but I just don't see it happening.

[OpIv37]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

Tim Anderson was a beast.

only at Old Country Buffet.

[TheMan08]

Re: Over the last few seasons....

I'd say it was a combination of a concussion and having to play better teams. I'm not sold on him yet, but I agree that it depends a lot on the protection. If the OL doesn't hold up, he's screwed either way (and the rest of the team is screwed iwith him).

He played well vs San Diego, Jax, Oak. They aren't bad defensive teams. Oak is a pretty good defensive team. They suck at offense and bonehead penalties.