Revisionist History on Schobel?

[User Manuel]

I am not sure I understand the Aaron Schobel hate on the boards lately. The guy had serious arch injury last year. The team had a winning record with him in the lineup and he has been a tremendous contributor and made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and 2007 and should have made it in 2005.

So, how do we get to the point where a 31 year old guy who has made the Pro Bowl 2 out of 3 years is a bust? Because he was injured and only played 5 games, none of which he was healthy for?

Come on people. the man has been a stalwart and model of consistency throughout his career here. Don't drink the pessimists koolaid.

[OpIv37]

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He had 6.5 sacks in 2007- that's it. He didn't deserve the Pro Bowl and made it in name only. He's also been on steady decline since he got his big payday.

And for the record, I've never been a fan of Schobel, even when he was racking up sacks in 2006. He gets a lot of garbage time sacks and has a tendency to get a 2 or 3 sack game then disappear for the next 2 or 3 weeks.

[TheMan08]

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I don't get it. You can't count last year. He was hurt.

So he had one bad season. That being the 2007 year of 6.5 sacks. He never had a guy like Marcus Stroud in 2007. I think he will have 8 sacks and i'll bew happy with that output.

[Mudflap1]

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I am not sure I understand the Aaron Schobel hate on the boards lately. The guy had serious arch injury last year. The team had a winning record with him in the lineup and he has been a tremendous contributor and made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and 2007 and should have made it in 2005.

So, how do we get to the point where a 31 year old guy who has made the Pro Bowl 2 out of 3 years is a bust? Because he was injured and only played 5 games, none of which he was healthy for?

Come on people. the man has been a stalwart and model of consistency throughout his career here. Don't drink the pessimists koolaid.

Good post. However, I would add that he deserved to make the Pro Bowl in 2005 and 2006, but did not deserve it in 2007. That was a subpar year, and last year was an injury year (for the most part). That is why everyone is up in arms.

I agree we shouldn't hate on the guy... yet. Injuries are part of the game. However, he needs to deliver this season, or its "see you later Schobel".

[OpIv37]

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I don't get it. You can't count last year. He was hurt.

So he had one bad season. That being the 2007 year of 6.5 sacks. He never had a guy like Marcus Stroud in 2007. I think he will have 8 sacks and i'll bew happy with that output.

he didn't exactly look stellar before he got hurt. He had improved against the run, but his pass rush was non-existent.

[Mahdi]

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I am not sure I understand the Aaron Schobel hate on the boards lately. The guy had serious arch injury last year. The team had a winning record with him in the lineup and he has been a tremendous contributor and made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and 2007 and should have made it in 2005.

So, how do we get to the point where a 31 year old guy who has made the Pro Bowl 2 out of 3 years is a bust? Because he was injured and only played 5 games, none of which he was healthy for?

Come on people. the man has been a stalwart and model of consistency throughout his career here. Don't drink the pessimists koolaid.

Well.. the way I see it... Schobel even when at his best rarely made game changing plays.

Also, he is more an effort player than a talent player and ROUTINELY gets phased out of games by the better LTs in the game.

Schobel might end a game with 4-5 tackles and a sack but he does not apply consistent pressure on QBs which IMO pressures are more important than sacks.

A DE runs about 30 passing downs a game, out of those 30 he may get 1 sack or even none, the other 29 snaps are where the money is earned. How often is he rushing the play, how often is he getting in the QBs face, how often does he collapse the pocket? That is where Schobel has ALWAYS fallen short, the other 29 snaps.

[billsfanone]

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I was never a fan of his. I like that he's gives 110% yadda yadda, but he racked up sacks in garbage time. He is a one trick poney (speed rush around the end). He's not a serous threat, easily blocked. He's not a disruption at all. QBs simply step up or OT's simply tap him past the play.

[Thurmal]

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To all the Schobel lovers:

Can you honestly remember a game where you thought, "I can't believe all the pressure that Schobel is getting on the QB" or even "Schobel's been in the backfield all day"?

He has buttered his bread on garbage time sacks in non-important situations his entire career. How many times in the past five years has the defense given up a game-winning drive to the other team because we can't get any pressure or big plays from the DEs on 3rd/4th down?

[billsfanone]

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Shoebel's sacks come when there is a breakdown in a play. I've never ever once seen him beat his man and come up with a pure sack. Never.

[Dr. Pepper]

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but guys, he could beat anyone off the line 5 years ago in john madden football for xbox!

[User Manuel]

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So all of his sacks came in garbage time on a losing team? Hmmm... I'll have to research that.

[OpIv37]

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So all of his sacks came in garbage time on a losing team? Hmmm... I'll have to research that.

not ALL of them, but a significant portion.

[User Manuel]

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in 2005, 2006 and 2007 Schobel had 6 1/2 sacks vs. New England, 4 1/2 vs Mia, 5 against the Jets.

In the division that is 16 sacks in 18 games in the division.

You guys like to generalize way too much. I think you will see a significant difference in the defense just with him present this year. Of course, maybe I am wrong.

I believe we are a far better defense when he plays.

[OpIv37]

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I believe the pass rush is mediocre when he plays and pathetic when he doesn't. Unfortunately, mediocre is still mediocre.

[Mahdi]

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in 2005, 2006 and 2007 Schobel had 6 1/2 sacks vs. New England, 4 1/2 vs Mia, 5 against the Jets.

In the division that is 16 sacks in 18 games in the division.

You guys like to generalize way too much. I think you will see a significant difference in the defense just with him present this year. Of course, maybe I am wrong.

I believe we are a far better defense when he plays.

Yes he will be an upgrade over Denney. But he will never have the effect Osi, Strahan, Abraham, Freeney, Mathis etc have on a game.