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Yasgur's Farm
07-30-2009, 03:56 PM
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/7/30/969166/keep-two-eyes-on-these-six-under
OT Demetrius Bell (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34851/Demetrius_Bell). Most Bills fans are keenly aware of the raw athleticism and massive potential that Bell was blessed with. He spent his rookie year hitting the weights and practicing hard. Now, Clark Judge thinks he's ready to contribute (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11999071). We think he's close as well. He's the perfect build for an elite tackle - he carries a lot of his weight in his hips and thighs, which gives him power but keeps him balanced and agile. He looks a lot stronger, and he's been putting his hands to better use in pass protection. All he needs is playing time. With extensive pre-season work - and really, is there a good reason why he shouldn't see exactly that? - Bell might end up being a surprise starter on the line if, in fact, the best five players hit the field. (We're not betting on it yet, however.)
DE Chris Ellis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34857/Chris_Ellis). My mistake. Prior to camp, I wrote that Ellis - who had a highly invisible rookie season in Buffalo - might be a roster casualty before the regular season. That seems highly unlikely now. Ellis is clearly much stronger than he was as a rookie, and has performed well against the run thus far in camp. We're hearing he's more sound technically as well. We can't wait to see him rush the passer in the pre-season, as it's difficult to accurately judge pass-rushing prowess in a training camp setting. A lot of folks are pinning the hopes of restoring the pass rush on rookie Aaron Maybin's shoulders; we urge you not to forget Ellis' name. He's got a chance to contribute.
DT John McCargo (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1883/John_McCargo). Here's a guy who went from first-round bust to failed trade, and now suddenly he's a sleeper again. The 2006 first-round pick is in great shape (he's shed roughly 10 pounds), and he's working hard for his new defensive line coach. Right now he's dealing with a hamstring injury - which clearly doesn't help - but he's also been excellent against the run thus far in camp. You've heard a lot about him over the past few days - from us, from Tim Graham, and even from Judge. There's a reason - McCargo may very well be on the comeback trail.
LB Nic Harris (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71162/Nic_Harris). When the Bills drafted Harris in the fifth round this past April, he was described to me as a "Keith Ellison clone, but more physical." Harris is a smart football player, and he was a highly productive defender at a first-rate college (Oklahoma). He has picked up Buffalo's defense quickly, running almost exclusively with the second-unit defense at SAM linebacker (right behind Ellison). If you recall, Ellison started several games in his rookie season - without big plays, but also without many mistakes. Don't be shocked if Harris follows in his footsteps. Even if Harris doesn't start, he'll contribute, as he is both a versatile specialist and capable of handling third-safety (or fourth linebacker duties) in some of Perry Fewell's more unique defensive packages.
CB Ellis Lankster (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71163/Ellis_Lankster). Eyebrows were raised when Lankster put forth a multi-interception showing in summer mini-camps. In the ensuing weeks between mini-camps and training camp, however, skepticism began to creep up on Lankster again. How can a seventh-round rookie cornerback with very little college pedigree keep up such a performance? Trust us - he has. The big plays are still being made (though not nearly as frequently), and he's holding his own despite being buried on the depth chart and facing some stiff competition from the Bills' receiving corps. If you weren't convinced that Lankster had a shot at an actual roster spot before camp, you should be now. This guy can play.

HHURRICANE
07-30-2009, 04:05 PM
The pre-season games will tell us alot.

I wish Bell was the answer at LT because I'd rather keep Butler and Walker at their old positions.

Chambers sucking so bad really hurts us.

jamze132
07-30-2009, 04:07 PM
That's a pretty good write up about those guys.

My dream is that Bell can lockdown LT so Walker can slide back to RT. Let Butler duel it out with Wood for RG. If Hangartner ends up like Fowler, I would look to putting Wood at C and Butler back at RG.

Jan Reimers
07-30-2009, 04:10 PM
Very encouraging, Draz, and confirms what you and I and some others have known for a long time: Second and third year guys often improve, and even unheralded rookies can contribute.

madness
07-30-2009, 04:18 PM
Very encouraging, Draz, and confirms what you and I and some others have known for a long time: Second and third year guys often improve, and even unheralded rookies can contribute.

NEVER!!!

Ha, it's a shame that something like that even has to be discussed.

madness
07-30-2009, 04:20 PM
P.S. Progression happens because Madden says so. :D

Madden also says we have the worst QB in the AFC East. :down:

Philagape
07-30-2009, 04:26 PM
Very encouraging, Draz, and confirms what you and I and some others have known for a long time: Second and third year guys often improve, and even unheralded rookies can contribute.

Again, and I'm saying nothing about the players themselves, but IT'S THE FIRST WEEK OF CAMP. They haven't played a down of real football against another team. Nothing is proven, nothing is confirmed. Nobody has contributed anything. Contributions and improvements don't start until Week 1.
We should know better after all the camp wonders we've seen.

Jan Reimers
07-30-2009, 04:38 PM
Again, and I'm saying nothing about the players themselves, but IT'S THE FIRST WEEK OF CAMP. They haven't played a down of real football against another team. Nothing is proven, nothing is confirmed. Nobody has contributed anything. Contributions and improvements don't start until Week 1.
We should know better after all the camp wonders we've seen.
Sorry. I'll try to curb my optimism. But I will say this. Improvements actually begin in the offseason (with conditioning, film study, etc.) and continue in camp and preseason games. Hopefully, these efforts result in regular season contributions.

I'm simply encouraged by guys coming to camp stronger and in better shape, and playing their positions more skillfully than last year. I think it bodes well.

Philagape
07-30-2009, 04:44 PM
Encouragement is fine. Optimism is fine.
But talk of confirming anything, or any claim of vindication, just sounds like the homer version of the reviled board critics. The other extreme.

Jan Reimers
07-30-2009, 05:02 PM
I don't claim to be an objective observer, a reasoned analyst, or a logical commentator. I'm a rabid fan. The term homer used to be reserved for media people who openly routed for their teams, and real fans were. . .well, crazed and deluded.

So I think a fan can still be biased toward his team, and don the rose colored glasses, particularly at this time of year. It's not a job. It's fun.

Philagape
07-30-2009, 05:06 PM
I don't claim to be an objective observer, a reasoned analyst, or a logical commentator. I'm a rabid fan. The term homer used to be reserved for media people who openly routed for their teams, and real fans were. . .well, crazed and deluded.

So I think a fan can still be biased toward his team, and don the rose colored glasses, particularly at this time of year. It's not a job. It's fun.

If you share the same forum with fans who wish to be more objective in their analysis, then expect the reactions you get. You made a claim of fact, so that's fair game for getting called out.

Jan Reimers
07-31-2009, 06:53 AM
If you share the same forum with fans who wish to be more objective in their analysis, then expect the reactions you get. You made a claim of fact, so that's fair game for getting called out.
That's great! I don't mind being "called out" by the self-proclaimed realists, objectivists, etc. I simply have fun being a mostly optimistic fan, and don't take my opinions as seriously as many on here do.

The only problem I generally have - and this doesn't include you - are those posters who seriously believe that their opinions are fact.

Yasgur's Farm
07-31-2009, 07:12 AM
I guess my biggest point is that we are not doomed to the stagnant snapshot of the end of '08 Bills... And that we could and should expect improved contributions from our younger players (including some rookies). I'm looking forward to, and anticipating, seeing that payout on the field... Especially from players like Ellis, McCargo, Youboty, Fine, Hardy, Johnson, Maybin, Wood, Levitre, Byrd, N Harris, Bell.

BTW... "It's only week 1 of training camp" will soon turn into "it's only the 1st preseason game"... 2nd... 3rd... 4th etc.

ddaryl
07-31-2009, 09:05 AM
Hope.. .isn't that what this time of year is all about for fans ?

Jan Reimers
07-31-2009, 09:36 AM
Hope.. .isn't that what this time of year is all about for fans ?
It is for many of us optimistic fans, but for those that seem to make fandom a miserable experience, it is simply time to tell us nothing will change and we'll always suck.

justasportsfan
07-31-2009, 09:40 AM
A lot of players look great this time of the year until they have to face other teams in regular season then the truth comes out.

Jan Reimers
07-31-2009, 09:45 AM
A lot of players look great this time of the year until they have to face other teams in regular season then the truth comes out.
So, justa, enjoy the moment and hope for a better future. It's that time of year when I get my optimism back, and I'm hoping yours will return, too.

justasportsfan
07-31-2009, 09:59 AM
So, justa, enjoy the moment and hope for a better future. It's that time of year when I get my optimism back, and I'm hoping yours will return, too.
every year is a new begining. Things can change and thats what we're excited to see, new changes that we hope will make us better. IMO, this is the best talent we've had since Marv's era. I'm still not sure about this coaching staff but I'm hoping the talent we have especially on O can help overcome the bad coaching that was shown in the last few years. I'm also hoping that coaching has learned to put things together. I'm tired of them experimenting and using lack of talent as an excuse.

I am always looking forward to every new season.

ParanoidAndroid
07-31-2009, 11:05 AM
I don't claim to be an objective observer, a reasoned analyst, or a logical commentator. I'm a rabid fan. The term homer used to be reserved for media people who openly routed for their teams, and real fans were. . .well, crazed and deluded.

So I think a fan can still be biased toward his team, and don the rose colored glasses, particularly at this time of year. It's not a job. It's fun.

This is just so sensible... The folks in this forum who take themselves way too seriously won't see it, though.

ParanoidAndroid
07-31-2009, 11:12 AM
It is for many of us optimistic fans, but for those that seem to make fandom a miserable experience, it is simply time to tell us nothing will change and we'll always suck.

If they're wrong, they celebrate having a successful team. If they're right, they at least get to say, "I told you so." They might not be happy, but I think they take comfort in that.

ddaryl
07-31-2009, 11:34 AM
A lot of players look great this time of the year until they have to face other teams in regular season then the truth comes out.

of course... but what's the point in wallowing in misery when it is equally possible we have some diamonds in the rough ready to make an impact.

I rather go into camp looking for positives

but I do have backup QB, OLB, and DL worries, but I'm not going to work myself up about it.. when the real games start then I'll get critical.

justasportsfan
07-31-2009, 11:48 AM
of course... but what's the point in wallowing in misery when it is equally possible we have some diamonds in the rough ready to make an impact.

I hear ya! I've turned from being a blind homer into a guardedly optimistic fan who's hanging one to new hope that every new season brings.