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Of course, Kawika also had TALENT in NY, but who needs that when you have a goal?
Ya know what, OP, my dog has me up way earlier than I wanna be. I got 3 hours of sleep so I'm going to rip this little snarky comment apart
Eli vs. Trent
-Eli got hot that season, but through the first 2 years starting, Trent has done better.
Marshawn/Fred/Dominic vs. Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw
I'd call that a wash. Different styles. If it were up to me, I'd take our guys but I can't say anything bad about the other three, other than Jacobs is over rated
TO/Lee/Josh,/Roscoe vs. Plax/Toomer/Smith/Tyree
-We have the edge here. Plax was an animal that year but I still wouldn't put him ahead of TO. After that it's a no brainer we're more talented at WR than they were
Lang/Wood/Hang/Levitre/Butler vs. O'Hara/Koets/Reugamer/MacKenzie/Suebert
- Hard to compare here. The only guys I've really heard of off their o-line is Ohara. But for the sake of argument we'll give it to them even though, with 2 high picks from this years draft, we have a higher ceiling than what they were.
Schouman/Fine/Nelson vs. Boss/Matthews
- Shockey was hurt. Zero of their guys were ever heard before, or frankly, after the Super Bowl run. Our guys are just as heard of, but Schouman is just like Fine, and Nelson has a higher upside than anybody listed.
That wraps up the offense. I'd say talent wise, offensively, we were as good or better than the Super Bowl Giants.
Onto Defense!
Schobel/Stroud/Williams/Kelsay vs. Umenyiura/Strahan/Cofield/Tuck
- Pretty much the only hands down talent win by the Giants. Better top to the bottom on the D line although I think Stroud has a Pro Bowl season in him in 09.
Mitchell/Poz/Ellison vs. Mitchell/Pierce/Torbor
- Obviously Mitch ties himself. Poz is better than Pierce IMO and Torbor vs Ellison isn't worth arguing about. I'd say we take that because like I said, I think this season Poz will be much better than Pierce.
Mckelvin/McGee/Whitner/Scott vs Madison/Ross/Wilson/Butler
- Sam Madison was a dinosaur. We have them destroyed in the secondary.
Lindell/Moorman vs. Tyne/Feagles
- Call it a wash. But talent wise Moorman is the best player listed in the kicking dept.
KR/PR Roscoe/McGee/McKelvin vs. IDK who did punts for them but regardless we are more talented at returner
So, in summary. We are equally as talented if not more!
What about coaching?!?
Coughlins record before Superbowl season: 93-83
Jauron record before 2009: 57-76
Obviously, Coughlin has this won. But, it took him 176 games to make a super bowl run. Jauron has 133. That's a 4-5 season experience edge. He had to have the seasons to get there.
So quite being such a douche bag. Seriously. Your comment was rediculous! OP!!!!!!!!!
Ya know what, OP, my dog has me up way earlier than I wanna be. I got 3 hours of sleep so I'm going to rip this little snarky comment apart
Eli vs. Trent
-Eli got hot that season, but through the first 2 years starting, Trent has done better.
Marshawn/Fred/Dominic vs. Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw
I'd call that a wash. Different styles. If it were up to me, I'd take our guys but I can't say anything bad about the other three, other than Jacobs is over rated
TO/Lee/Josh,/Roscoe vs. Plax/Toomer/Smith/Tyree
-We have the edge here. Plax was an animal that year but I still wouldn't put him ahead of TO. After that it's a no brainer we're more talented at WR than they were
Lang/Wood/Hang/Levitre/Butler vs. O'Hara/Koets/Reugamer/MacKenzie/Suebert
- Hard to compare here. The only guys I've really heard of off their o-line is Ohara. But for the sake of argument we'll give it to them even though, with 2 high picks from this years draft, we have a higher ceiling than what they were.
Schouman/Fine/Nelson vs. Boss/Matthews
- Shockey was hurt. Zero of their guys were ever heard before, or frankly, after the Super Bowl run. Our guys are just as heard of, but Schouman is just like Fine, and Nelson has a higher upside than anybody listed.
That wraps up the offense. I'd say talent wise, offensively, we were as good or better than the Super Bowl Giants.
Onto Defense!
Schobel/Stroud/Williams/Kelsay vs. Umenyiura/Strahan/Cofield/Tuck
- Pretty much the only hands down talent win by the Giants. Better top to the bottom on the D line although I think Stroud has a Pro Bowl season in him in 09.
Mitchell/Poz/Ellison vs. Mitchell/Pierce/Torbor
- Obviously Mitch ties himself. Poz is better than Pierce IMO and Torbor vs Ellison isn't worth arguing about. I'd say we take that because like I said, I think this season Poz will be much better than Pierce.
Mckelvin/McGee/Whitner/Scott vs Madison/Ross/Wilson/Butler
- Sam Madison was a dinosaur. We have them destroyed in the secondary.
Lindell/Moorman vs. Tyne/Feagles
- Call it a wash. But talent wise Moorman is the best player listed in the kicking dept.
KR/PR Roscoe/McGee/McKelvin vs. IDK who did punts for them but regardless we are more talented at returner
So, in summary. We are equally as talented if not more!
What about coaching?!?
Coughlins record before Superbowl season: 93-83
Jauron record before 2009: 57-76
Obviously, Coughlin has this won. But, it took him 176 games to make a super bowl run. Jauron has 133. That's a 4-5 season experience edge. He had to have the seasons to get there.
So quite being such a douche bag. Seriously. Your comment was rediculous! OP!!!!!!!!!
I'd take Pierce over Poz in a beat. I agree with everything else, except just a little at the end. You were way too subtle with the coaching aspect. Coaching in general, the Giants of 07 have us absolutley killed.
I'd take Pierce over Poz in a beat. I agree with everything else, except just a little at the end. You were way too subtle with the coaching aspect. Coaching in general, the Giants of 07 have us absolutley killed.
My point is that before he won the Super Bowl, Coughlin was on the "hot seat"
Pierce is big and slow. Poz will prove better this season THATS MY OPINION.
Coughlin lost the entire locker room less than a year before they're big run.
What OP was suggesting, was that the Giants had talent, and that the Bills do not.
I was proving how much of a negative douche he is.
Ya know what, OP, my dog has me up way earlier than I wanna be. I got 3 hours of sleep so I'm going to rip this little snarky comment apart
Eli vs. Trent
-Eli got hot that season, but through the first 2 years starting, Trent has done better.
Marshawn/Fred/Dominic vs. Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw
I'd call that a wash. Different styles. If it were up to me, I'd take our guys but I can't say anything bad about the other three, other than Jacobs is over rated
TO/Lee/Josh,/Roscoe vs. Plax/Toomer/Smith/Tyree
-We have the edge here. Plax was an animal that year but I still wouldn't put him ahead of TO. After that it's a no brainer we're more talented at WR than they were
Lang/Wood/Hang/Levitre/Butler vs. O'Hara/Koets/Reugamer/MacKenzie/Suebert
- Hard to compare here. The only guys I've really heard of off their o-line is Ohara. But for the sake of argument we'll give it to them even though, with 2 high picks from this years draft, we have a higher ceiling than what they were.
Schouman/Fine/Nelson vs. Boss/Matthews
- Shockey was hurt. Zero of their guys were ever heard before, or frankly, after the Super Bowl run. Our guys are just as heard of, but Schouman is just like Fine, and Nelson has a higher upside than anybody listed.
That wraps up the offense. I'd say talent wise, offensively, we were as good or better than the Super Bowl Giants.
Onto Defense!
Schobel/Stroud/Williams/Kelsay vs. Umenyiura/Strahan/Cofield/Tuck
- Pretty much the only hands down talent win by the Giants. Better top to the bottom on the D line although I think Stroud has a Pro Bowl season in him in 09.
Mitchell/Poz/Ellison vs. Mitchell/Pierce/Torbor
- Obviously Mitch ties himself. Poz is better than Pierce IMO and Torbor vs Ellison isn't worth arguing about. I'd say we take that because like I said, I think this season Poz will be much better than Pierce.
Mckelvin/McGee/Whitner/Scott vs Madison/Ross/Wilson/Butler
- Sam Madison was a dinosaur. We have them destroyed in the secondary.
Lindell/Moorman vs. Tyne/Feagles
- Call it a wash. But talent wise Moorman is the best player listed in the kicking dept.
KR/PR Roscoe/McGee/McKelvin vs. IDK who did punts for them but regardless we are more talented at returner
So, in summary. We are equally as talented if not more!
What about coaching?!?
Coughlins record before Superbowl season: 93-83
Jauron record before 2009: 57-76
Obviously, Coughlin has this won. But, it took him 176 games to make a super bowl run. Jauron has 133. That's a 4-5 season experience edge. He had to have the seasons to get there.
So quite being such a douche bag. Seriously. Your comment was rediculous! OP!!!!!!!!!
Lets be real. The Giants o-line was and is better than ours. Our o-line couldn't and probably still can't open any holes for the run game, while the Giants had one of the best run games in the league. If Marshawn or Fred Jackson played for the Giants they could've had 100 yards or more every single game.
My point is that before he won the Super Bowl, Coughlin was on the "hot seat"
Pierce is big and slow. Poz will prove better this season THATS MY OPINION.
Coughlin lost the entire locker room less than a year before they're big run.
What OP was suggesting, was that the Giants had talent, and that the Bills do not.
I was proving how much of a negative douche he is.
Juice,
I agree with what you have posted, but I would have to draw the line on the on the personal attack.
As a long time poster of this board I too have read many negative posts from OP, but yet I see his points and at times agree with them. Op chooses to point out the failures of our beloved team and at times can be the teams and front office worst critic on the board. I too critisize some of our coaches and front office decisions but yet do not put them out to air as OP does. There really shouldn't be a need to point out "how much of a negative douche he is" that can be at times very evident in OP's own posts.
While his comments have stirred you to reply with a good comparison of both the Giants superbowl team and our team of this year, there really wasn't a need for the name calling.
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