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  • Mahdi
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    • Mar 2004
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    Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.



    The part about the dinking and dunking is right on the money.... Trent better realize he needs to make plays and not always rely on others to make plays out of 3 yard passes.
  • Forward_Lateral
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    • Mar 2004
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    Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

    I agree 100% that the no-huddle is slow. It's useless if you give the Defense time to rest.

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    • Mr. Pink
      Peterman Sucks!
      • Mar 2006
      • 35303

      #3
      Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

      Not going to make a career off dinking and dunking?

      Maybe someone shoulda told Fran Tarkenton that when he started.

      Or Tom Brady that til 2 years ago.

      How about Joe Montana?

      Just because the guy doesn't play the same way Kelly did doesn't mean he's less of a player and not able to succeed.

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      • billsfanone
        Majored in Home Economics
        • Sep 2008
        • 4317

        #4
        Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

        Originally posted by Mahdi
        http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0...for-Bills.html

        The part about the dinking and dunking is right on the money.... Trent better realize he needs to make plays and not always rely on others to make plays out of 3 yard passes.
        Spot on.
        Last edited by billsfanone; 08-20-2009, 03:03 PM.

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        • Forward_Lateral
          Registered User
          • Mar 2004
          • 29897

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          Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

          Here's a question, or maybe an observation, whatever. Why don't the offensive plays have the outlets running longer routes? Instead of running 2 yard routes, why not run 7 or 8 yard routes?

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          • bigbub2352
            Registered User
            • Feb 2005
            • 5386

            #6
            Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

            I listened to alot of that live, they believe Trent needs to take more chances and they believe the Oline is a work in progress but there biggest concern and mine as well is the Dline and they are too small to hold up against the run
            cant the FO see what everyone else does about Schobel, Denney Kelsay spencer johnson and Mccargo
            it will be the same as last yr run on us when they want and all day to throw on 3rd down elch cant do the same things over and over again and expect different results no playoffs every yr means our players arent good enough UGH!
            XTRA CRISPY XTRA SAUCEY

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            • billsfanone
              Majored in Home Economics
              • Sep 2008
              • 4317

              #7
              Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

              I was watching the Bills History DVD and noticed something clearly with Kelly. On long pass plays, the ball was put up long before the receiver was even open. He knew where the receivers were going to be and the receivers knew were to go.

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              • bigbub2352
                Registered User
                • Feb 2005
                • 5386

                #8
                Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                Originally posted by Forward_Lateral
                Here's a question, or maybe an observation, whatever. Why don't the offensive plays have the outlets running longer routes? Instead of running 2 yard routes, why not run 7 or 8 yard routes?
                they do have them running deeper routes
                trent misses them usually panics under the pressure of usually a good pass rush and dumps it off thank Turks plays for allowing adrian wilson to crush his pocket presence
                XTRA CRISPY XTRA SAUCEY

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                • Forward_Lateral
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 29897

                  #9
                  Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                  Originally posted by bigbub2352
                  they do have them running deeper routes
                  trent misses them usually panics under the pressure of usually a good pass rush and dumps it off thank Turks plays for allowing adrian wilson to crush his pocket presence
                  This post makes no sense. If that was the case, he'd be hitting them in the back.

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                  • Pinkerton Security
                    Pinkerton's son
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 6003

                    #10
                    Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                    Originally posted by Forward_Lateral
                    I agree 100% that the no-huddle is slow. It's useless if you give the Defense time to rest.
                    isnt the point of an "outlet" someone that is an easy target and isnt far?

                    come on guys, why do you all think you know more than NFL coaches? Because you watch TV? Bc you played in HS? Get real.

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                    • gil
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 820

                      #11
                      Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                      Originally posted by FunTimesYaY!
                      Not going to make a career off dinking and dunking?

                      Maybe someone shoulda told Fran Tarkenton that when he started.

                      Or Tom Brady that til 2 years ago.

                      How about Joe Montana?

                      Just because the guy doesn't play the same way Kelly did doesn't mean he's less of a player and not able to succeed.
                      That's what Thurman was saying - they did dink and dunk, but it turned into yardage, with the way these guys are doing it, there's no room or position for them to get YAC.

                      That's one thing we haven't had since Moulds is a good YAC guy, in my opinion.

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                      • billsfanone
                        Majored in Home Economics
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 4317

                        #12
                        Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                        Originally posted by pinkdogg32
                        isnt the point of an "outlet" someone that is an easy target and isnt far?

                        come on guys, why do you all think you know more than NFL coaches? Because you watch TV? Bc you played in HS? Get real.
                        Jim Kelly said it.

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                        • bigbub2352
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 5386

                          #13
                          Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                          Originally posted by Forward_Lateral
                          This post makes no sense. If that was the case, he'd be hitting them in the back.
                          how doesnt it make sense?
                          ever since he got labeled he has been skitish in the pocket, it was turks scheme that allowed a guy to come in unblocked after that hapeened turk said the play is designed to let that guy in and trent has to get the ball off
                          sorry if that wasnt clear enough for u
                          XTRA CRISPY XTRA SAUCEY

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                          • Mudflap1
                            Next Question!
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 3281

                            #14
                            Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                            I'm actually okay with the whole dump off thing. Until Moss and Welker came along, Brady made a career out of it. However, the dump off strategy only works if you can run the ball effectively and play solid defense. The defense wasn't horrible last year, but needs to get better. And the running game needs to be consistent. This is where I agree with Kelly. Not every team (meaning this year's Bills) is going to play offense like the Bills in the 90s. That's fine, but if you are banking on high percentage plays that yield few mistakes but few big plays in your passing game, the other parts of the team need to play the same way.

                            However, I think the Bills are trying to be a little more aggressive with the passing game, hence the no-huddle and the acquisition of T.O. But, like I said, the other facets of the game need to be solid. Think of the Patriots pre-2007. They had a decent running game (good when Dillon was there) and a solid defense.

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                            • Pinkerton Security
                              Pinkerton's son
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 6003

                              #15
                              Re: Jimbo and Thurmal critique 09 Bills: Interesting comments.

                              Originally posted by billsfanone
                              Jim Kelly said it.
                              didnt mean the no huddle specifically, it is just reading things like "well why dont they do this" and "my god, why didnt he do that!"...

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