Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

[Syderick]

Jauron's opinion on the 4-3 and 3-4 systems:

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/08/27/jauron-on-3-4-vs-4-3/

[ddaryl]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

Could that answer be more neutral...

how about the teams inability to play well against the 3-4... enquiring minds want to know

[OpIv37]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

well after 4 off-seasons of Jauron we still don't have the right personnel for the 4-3 either, but we're closer to that than we are to the 3-4.

[Mahdi]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

well after 4 off-seasons of Jauron we still don't have the right personnel for the 4-3 either, but we're closer to that than we are to the 3-4.

If a new coach comes in next year and installs a 3-4 he will only need 1 NT and maybe one OLB to make it work. FA and draft can easily fix that.

[OpIv37]

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If a new coach comes in next year and installs a 3-4 he will only need 1 NT and maybe one OLB to make it work. FA and draft can easily fix that.

you don't honestly believe that, do you?

We don't have ANY DE's that are big enough for the 3-4. Our linebackers need an upgrade regardless of whether we stay with a 4-3 or a 3-4- same thing with S.

If we went to a 3-4 we'd need:
2-3 DE's
1-2 NT's
2 LB's
1 S

The draft and one off-season can't fix that.

[Forward_Lateral]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

I agree with OPI. None of Buffalo's DTs are suited for the 3-4 Defense.
Linebacker wise, Maybin, Poz and Mitchell fit, but that's about it.

[trapezeus]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

it's interesting that he answered the question in regards to buffalo's defense and not about the offense's struggles with 3-4.

and again, he seems to make excuses of, "this is what i inherited." That would have been fair to say 3 years ago. but not now. how many hack coaches get 4 chances on the same team like this?

my anger with jauron keeps brewing.

[Mr. Pink]

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The hardest piece to fit in the 3-4 is the NT.

I don't know if Stroud is suited to be a 3-4 NT, he may better suited at End in the 3-4.

Either way, we have only one real legitimate piece on the DLine. Poz would be better in the inside of the 3-4 than what he is now. Maybin as the pass rush OLB. Mitchell, I dunno?

McKelvin might be a good cover corner but the rest of the secondary is terrible.

So, for the 3-4 we have 5 players at best for that system.

How do you bring in 6 fresh faces from FA and draft and expect it to work?

[Mahdi]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

you don't honestly believe that, do you?

We don't have ANY DE's that are big enough for the 3-4. Our linebackers need an upgrade regardless of whether we stay with a 4-3 or a 3-4- same thing with S.

If we went to a 3-4 we'd need:
2-3 DE's
1-2 NT's
2 LB's
1 S

The draft and one off-season can't fix that.

Marcus Stroud is the perfect size for a 3-4 DE... 6'6 310. Spencer Johnson is also a good size for 3-4 DE 6'3 290. McCargo can be a backup at both DE and NT.

You Draft a NT and there you have your front 3, Stroud - DRAFT - S.Johnson

LBs... Obviously Maybin is one of the OLBs, Ellis can be another both are in the 6'4 250 to 260 range, ideal for a 3-4 OLB. You also draft another one.

Poz and Mitchell would be very good ILBs in a 3-4.

So, in one offseason it is very realistic to acquire 1 NT, 1 OLB and a couple of depth LBers.

There is no such thing as a DB that is suited to a 3-4. So its irrelevant.

Kelsay, Denney, Schobel would not stick, neither would Ellison.

[Hemlepp53]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

“You tend to play, when you come somewhere, what you inherit,” said Jauron. ”It takes a while to accumulate the right personnel for a 3-4. I’m not averse to playing any of them, it’s really just more personnel dictated, along with your coaching staff philosophy. I’ve been in both, played in both, coached in both. If you have the right guys it can work.”

If he has been in both, played in both, and coached in both you would think he would understand the basics of the 3-4. He cant seem to get the team to adjust. That is alot of time in the 3-4 if he has been in the 3-4, played in the 3-4, and coached the 3-4 he sure cant figure out to do with the 3-4 when facing it .... He's full of ****. Trap... Hold him down and let me take a few swift kicks to the head... WAKE UP DICK.... you make no sense...

[Mahdi]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

you don't honestly believe that, do you?

We don't have ANY DE's that are big enough for the 3-4. Our linebackers need an upgrade regardless of whether we stay with a 4-3 or a 3-4- same thing with S.

If we went to a 3-4 we'd need:
2-3 DE's
1-2 NT's
2 LB's
1 S

The draft and one off-season can't fix that.

In case you dont look at depth charts of 3-4 teams before making your argument:


Pittsburgh Steelers:

Aaron Smith (6'5 298) -- Casey Hampton (6'1 325) -- Brett Keisel (6'5 285)

Woodley (6'2 262) -- Farrior (6'1 243) -- Timmons (6'1 234) -- Harrison (6'0 242)


Backups: LDE Travis Kirshke (6'3 298, RDE Nick Eason (6'3 305)


Compare that to:


Stroud (6'6 310) -- Terrance Cody (6'5 380) Alababma -- S. Johnson (6'3 290)


Aaron Maybin (6'4 250) -- Poz (6'1 240) -- Kawika Mitchell (6'1 250) -- Chris Ellis (6'4 260)

Backups: LDE McCargo (6'2 307) , LDE Kyle Williams (6'1 306)


Size wise those are 2 identical lineups. We are even bigger in some areas.

[OpIv37]

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Marcus Stroud is the perfect size for a 3-4 DE... 6'6 310. Spencer Johnson is also a good size for 3-4 DE 6'3 290. McCargo can be a backup at both DE and NT.

You Draft a NT and there you have your front 3, Stroud - DRAFT - S.Johnson

LBs... Obviously Maybin is one of the OLBs, Ellis can be another both are in the 6'4 250 to 260 range, ideal for a 3-4 OLB. You also draft another one.

Poz and Mitchell would be very good ILBs in a 3-4.

So, in one offseason it is very realistic to acquire 1 NT, 1 OLB and a couple of depth LBers.

There is no such thing as a DB that is suited to a 3-4. So its irrelevant.

Kelsay, Denney, Schobel would not stick, neither would Ellison.

Stroud is too slow for DE. McCargo is too small for NT and too slow for DE. We can't have TWO LB's that are converted DE's and expect results. That's not how it works in the NFL.

The only current defensive lineman that would fit the 3-4 would be Stroud as a backup NE, maybe Spencer Johnson as DE. That's it.

I agree that Kelsay, Denney, Schobel and Ellison are wrong for the 3-4. I don't really care for any of them in the 4-3 either.

[Mahdi]

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Stroud is too slow for DE. McCargo is too small for NT and too slow for DE. We can't have TWO LB's that are converted DE's and expect results. That's not how it works in the NFL.

The only current defensive lineman that would fit the 3-4 would be Stroud as a backup NE, maybe Spencer Johnson as DE. That's it.

I agree that Kelsay, Denney, Schobel and Ellison are wrong for the 3-4. I don't really care for any of them in the 4-3 either.

The problem is you have a label on everyone.

Maybin and Ellis could have easily been drafted as OLBs in 3-4 and many scouts had them pegged as such before the draft.

Stroud is just as fast as Aaron Smith and either way speed is not a requisite for playing the 5-Technique in a 3-4. They are asked only to occupy blockers and push the pocket. Im pretty sure Stroud can do that.

Did you not see the Packers defense last week. All those guys were 4-3 players last year.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

There is no such thing as a DB that is suited to a 3-4. So its irrelevant.

But there are DBs that are suited for zone and DBs that are suited for man.

With the 3-4, we'd be playing a lot more man coverages as opposed to an umbrella defense now.

We don't have the DBs for man on man coverage. Hence why they play so far off the line of scrimmage.

[bigbub2352]

Re: Jauron on 3-4 vs. 4-3

his comments are so blah wouldnt any scheme work dick if u had he right players for it?