Optimists Sign in here.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I frankly like what the Bills are doing in the last couple weeks. They aren't standing pat like they always do and how the Realists always complain about.

2-14 PLEASE. 0-16 COME ON BE REAL...

[Meathead]

i said six wins when camp opened and i say six wins now

so i guess that means im optimistic that the recent dramatic moves wont make them any worse

[Dr. Pepper]

it's really, really tough to be optimistic right now...

but at 0-0, we're undefeated! GO BILLS!

[BillsWin]

10-6 until we have 7 losses I will stick by that prediction.

[Nighthawk]

Who said 2-14 or 0-16? I honestly don't know how many they'll win, but I'm sure it won't be enough to get into the playoffs and anything besides playoffs is not good enough...IMO.

[SquishDaFish]

I was saying 11-5 now Im going 9-7 or 10-6. But Im always an optimist. Never think negative. LETS GO BUFFALO!!!

[TigerJ]

I wouldn't call myself an optimist. I still think Trent Edwards has some (mostly mental) issues with throwing long. I agree with you that the moves they made recently were the right moves. They were made, however, from a position of weakness. Turk Schonert was becoming a source of friction with the head coach and some discontent with the offensive players. It is not as if Dick Jauron suddently realized that Alex Van Pelt is an offensive genius with the ability to motivate players to be better than themselves. Walker was proving to be an inadequate left tackle rather than Bell suddenly proving he can play at a pro bowl level from the first game on.

It does not mean that the moves Buffalo has made are going to guarantee success. It means that the failure to make the moves was starting to look like a guarantee for struggle.

I think it is still possible that the Bills could end up being a very good team by the end of the season, but I suspect that the team will have to consider itself to be extremely fortunate if they can make it through the first part of the season without some major growing pains.

[Romes]

In the past I have always been optimistic...but this year there is little to hang on too...

That said, I do have hope and in the far back of my mind I can envision us beating the Patriots to start the season...I don't think a pessimist would ever see that happening.

[yordad]

Stranger things have happened. It is a game of inches.

[Bufftp]

16-0 flipped. ;) :up:

[malo]

I'm confident and optimistic that the bill will win 2 or 3 games this season.

[HHURRICANE]

I'm watching the game and hoping for a miracle. Is that optimistic enough.

PS. Most are saying 6 wins so I don't know where 0-2 wins came from.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Who said 2-14 or 0-16? I honestly don't know how many they'll win, but I'm sure it won't be enough to get into the playoffs and anything besides playoffs is not good enough...IMO.
I have seen it MANY times recently.

[Nighthawk]

I have seen it MANY times recently.

Well that's a little crazy...I'd hate to think this team will be that bad!

[OpIv37]

I frankly like what the Bills are doing in the last couple weeks. They aren't standing pat like they always do and how the Realists always complain about.

2-14 PLEASE. 0-16 COME ON BE REAL...

You're making the faulty assumption that different is better. Given that these decisions are being made by the same morons who got us into this mess in the first place, there is no legitimate reason to believe that different will be better.

[ddaryl]

look at the prediction thread I have us down for 6-10.

so I think YOU need to go out there and find ALL of the 0-16, 2-14 posts and expose the 117 or so "realists" who inspired this thread

changes in Feburary - May = good

Changes a week before the 1st game of the season = "why the hell didn't you make the changes necessary 6 months ago"

[Mitchell55]

8-8. But when Marshawn comes back that may increase

[Ground Chuck]

1 - Mon, Sep 14 at New England - 7:00 PM L
2 - Sun, Sep 20 Tampa Bay - 4:05 PM W
3 - Sun, Sep 27 New Orleans - 4:05 PM W
4 - Sun, Oct 4 at Miami - 4:05 PM W
5 - Sun, Oct 11 Cleveland - 1:00 PM W
6 - Sun, Oct 18 at NY Jets - 4:15 PM W
7 - Sun, Oct 25 at Carolina - 4:05 PM L
8 - Sun, Nov 1 Houston - 1:00 PM W
9 - Bye
10 - Sun, Nov 15 at Tennessee - 1:00 PM L
11 - Sun, Nov 22 at Jacksonville - 1:00 PM W
12 - Sun, Nov 29 Miami - 1:00 PM W
13 - Thu, Dec 3 NY Jets - 8:20 PM W
14 - Sun, Dec 13 at Kansas City - 1:00 PM W
15 - Sun, Dec 20 New England - 1:00 PM L
16 - Sun, Dec 27 at Atlanta - 1:00 PM L
17 - Sun, Jan 3 Indianapolis - 1:00 PM L

10-6

[X-Era]

I frankly like what the Bills are doing in the last couple weeks. They aren't standing pat like they always do and how the Realists always complain about.

2-14 PLEASE. 0-16 COME ON BE REAL...

I think we may struggle on O early but by years end we are playing sound ball with a very good looking young OL.

I cant say I see us in the playoffs, but this first game may tell us a ton about our season.

[Mad Bomber]

I frankly like what the Bills are doing in the last couple weeks. They aren't standing pat like they always do and how the Realists always complain about.

2-14 PLEASE. 0-16 COME ON BE REAL... THURM.....

How DARE you be positive on this board? :negrep: j/k

I am SOOOOOO looking forward to this season.

Look, I'm almost as old as Jan Reimers...this is us..... :fogey::fogey:

I have been a Bills fan since the early 60s, and have seen the best and worst that the Bills have had to offer. I stand behind my team 100%. I'll ***** when they suck, and I'll cheer when they don't....that's what I've done my entire life.

Hey, we're 0-0 right now, and hope springs eternal....

[BillsWin]

THURM.....

How DARE you be positive on this board? :negrep: j/k

I am SOOOOOO looking forward to this season.

Look, I'm almost as old as Jan Reimers...this is us..... :fogey::fogey:

I have been a Bills fan since the early 60s, and have seen the best and worst that the Bills have had to offer. I stand behind my team 100%. I'll ***** when they suck, and I'll cheer when they don't....that's what I've done my entire life.

Hey, we're 0-0 right now, and hope springs eternal....


Mad Bomber is the reason I get up in the morning and sign on to billszone... :couch: :rofl:

[Pinkerton Security]

look at the prediction thread I have us down for 6-10.

so I think YOU need to go out there and find ALL of the 0-16, 2-14 posts and expose the 117 or so "realists" who inspired this thread

changes in Feburary - May = good

Changes a week before the 1st game of the season = "why the hell didn't you make the changes necessary 6 months ago"
i know for a fact that trapezeus said we'd "be lucky to win 2 games"...
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=179054
-post #3


ummm ya i guess most other people think around 5 or 6 tho...

[Mad Bomber]

Mad Bomber is the reason I get up in the morning and sign on to billszone... :couch: :rofl:
You, sir, need to get a life....

[BillsWin]

You, sir, need to get a life....

Its a boring time of the year... :idunno:

[Philagape]

i know for a fact that trapezeus said we'd "be lucky to win 2 games"...
http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=179054
-post #3


ummm ya i guess most other people think around 5 or 6 tho...

What's the difference?

Even another 7-9 might as well be 2-14.

And if we're going to lose, the more losses the better so we can finally clean house.

[BillsWin]

What's the difference?

Even another 7-9 might as well be 2-14.

And if we're going to lose, the more losses the better so we can finally clean house.


I want us to go to the playoffs, but if we are going to suck, we might as well pick top 5 right? :D

[Hemlepp53]

12-4 is what i started off with before the first preseason game and all the recent drama.... Now I say 11-5 or 10-6. LETS GO BUFFALO

[ServoBillieves]

I'm lost as to what the hell this thread is about, but for an optimist, I'm here to sign in. In a world where most (including me) have very little to believe in, I have to believe in my favorite team.

Go ahead and mope for a season and hope for the future, but with someone who doesn't have much of a future ahead, pray for the now.

[patmoran2006]

Sorry boys.

I hope to be proven wrong and have this thread come up in 6 months and highlight how wrong I was..

But I got us pegged for 4-12

[Al the Bills Fan]

I am amped for this season. Good or bad, its still Bills football and I STILL love me some BUFFALO BILLS.

[THATHURMANATOR]

You're making the faulty assumption that different is better. Given that these decisions are being made by the same morons who got us into this mess in the first place, there is no legitimate reason to believe that different will be better.
This post is a **** head.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Sorry boys.

I hope to be proven wrong and have this thread come up in 6 months and highlight how wrong I was..

But I got us pegged for 4-12
Nothing to be sorry about.

[jamze132]

I think that by not letting Walker play LT, we win a couple more games.

Now I think we'll go 5-11! That's a 60% increase in wins!

[THATHURMANATOR]

I'm lost as to what the hell this thread is about, but for an optimist, I'm here to sign in. In a world where most (including me) have very little to believe in, I have to believe in my favorite team.

Go ahead and mope for a season and hope for the future, but with someone who doesn't have much of a future ahead, pray for the now.
What are you lost about?

[paladin warrior]

1 - Mon, Sep 14 at New England - 7:00 PM L
2 - Sun, Sep 20 Tampa Bay - 4:05 PM W
3 - Sun, Sep 27 New Orleans - 4:05 PM W
4 - Sun, Oct 4 at Miami - 4:05 PM W
5 - Sun, Oct 11 Cleveland - 1:00 PM W
6 - Sun, Oct 18 at NY Jets - 4:15 PM W
7 - Sun, Oct 25 at Carolina - 4:05 PM L
8 - Sun, Nov 1 Houston - 1:00 PM W
9 - Bye
10 - Sun, Nov 15 at Tennessee - 1:00 PM L
11 - Sun, Nov 22 at Jacksonville - 1:00 PM W
12 - Sun, Nov 29 Miami - 1:00 PM W
13 - Thu, Dec 3 NY Jets - 8:20 PM W
14 - Sun, Dec 13 at Kansas City - 1:00 PM W
15 - Sun, Dec 20 New England - 1:00 PM L
16 - Sun, Dec 27 at Atlanta - 1:00 PM L
17 - Sun, Jan 3 Indianapolis - 1:00 PM L

10-6 I would say Buffalo Bills lose on Carolina/Tenn/Atlanta/Colt

12-4 and 6-0 in the DIV..

[bflojohn]

Buffalo Bills football next Monday Night.... NOT New England Patriots football, so count me as the eternal optimist as it is once again the season to be pumped about the 2009 campaign. This team has soooo much promise in the future because I believe that the youngsters are going to be special. I love Lynch and Jackson at RB, and the WR corps is solid throughout. The revamped O-line is a thing of beauty, to me, as its a group of young guns with untapped potential. The mere coincidence that Trent Edwards is listed as the starting QB for our team means I'm 100% behind him.... C'mon Trent, get'r done baby!! The defense might be the strength of this team along with the special teams, so I'm predicting 10-6 and a wild card berth. In my mind, Dick Jauron has the necessary tools to work with this season, as this is the MOST talent he's had in Buffalo, without question.
If they remain healthy, they can get this done!!

[billsTOfan]

Buffalo will score over 20 points i promise. Will it be enough, we shall see.

[Dujek]

**** it. I'm choosing to believe that pre-season was an elaborate bluff, that AVP knew he was going to be OC ages ago, but Turk was kept around for ****s and giggles, and that the Bills are going to wipe the floor with the Patriots on Monday.*

*This post is brought to you by the fact that I need cheering up after Slovakia ended Northern Ireland's chances of qualifying for the World Cup last night, and not by any actual change in my opinion.

[mybills]

You can bump this thread after the season and call me the biggest homer on the boards, but I'm positive we're winning more than 7 games this year. Bad things come in 3's, so no more 7-9. This is our four leaf clover year. 10 wins or more! :punk:

[BAM]

I'm a born optimist. We'll go at least 8-8.

[Jan Reimers]

THURM.....

How DARE you be positive on this board? :negrep: j/k

I am SOOOOOO looking forward to this season.

Look, I'm almost as old as Jan Reimers...this is us..... :fogey::fogey:

I have been a Bills fan since the early 60s, and have seen the best and worst that the Bills have had to offer. I stand behind my team 100%. I'll ***** when they suck, and I'll cheer when they don't....that's what I've done my entire life.

Hey, we're 0-0 right now, and hope springs eternal....
Well said, Mad. We're still alive, the Bills are still in Buffalo, and the possibilities are endless. Kind of.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Buffalo Bills football next Monday Night.... NOT New England Patriots football, so count me as the eternal optimist as it is once again the season to be pumped about the 2009 campaign. This team has soooo much promise in the future because I believe that the youngsters are going to be special. I love Lynch and Jackson at RB, and the WR corps is solid throughout. The revamped O-line is a thing of beauty, to me, as its a group of young guns with untapped potential. The mere coincidence that Trent Edwards is listed as the starting QB for our team means I'm 100% behind him.... C'mon Trent, get'r done baby!! The defense might be the strength of this team along with the special teams, so I'm predicting 10-6 and a wild card berth. In my mind, Dick Jauron has the necessary tools to work with this season, as this is the MOST talent he's had in Buffalo, without question.
If they remain healthy, they can get this done!!
:bf1:

[justasportsfan]

7-9 and thats being optimistic.

[SabreEleven]

Buffalo Bills football next Monday Night.... NOT New England Patriots football, so count me as the eternal optimist as it is once again the season to be pumped about the 2009 campaign. This team has soooo much promise in the future because I believe that the youngsters are going to be special. I love Lynch and Jackson at RB, and the WR corps is solid throughout. The revamped O-line is a thing of beauty, to me, as its a group of young guns with untapped potential. The mere coincidence that Trent Edwards is listed as the starting QB for our team means I'm 100% behind him.... C'mon Trent, get'r done baby!! The defense might be the strength of this team along with the special teams, so I'm predicting 10-6 and a wild card berth. In my mind, Dick Jauron has the necessary tools to work with this season, as this is the MOST talent he's had in Buffalo, without question.
If they remain healthy, they can get this done!!

Puff, Puff, give, Puff, Puff, give....The defense is the strength of this team? You got some good quality **** you are smoking.

Were 0-0? so is the rest of the league...the only good thing about that is that we are not mathematically eliminated....

[THATHURMANATOR]

Puff, Puff, give, Puff, Puff, give....The defense is the strength of this team? You got some good quality **** you are smoking.
Is this part of the P90X?

[SabreEleven]

Is this part of the P90X?

Original, Thurm and defriended.

[Mr. Pink]

I'm optimistic that we'll win a game.

I cannot go further than that.

[TigerJ]

THURM.....

How DARE you be positive on this board? :negrep: j/k

I am SOOOOOO looking forward to this season.

Look, I'm almost as old as Jan Reimers...this is us..... :fogey::fogey:

I have been a Bills fan since the early 60s, and have seen the best and worst that the Bills have had to offer. I stand behind my team 100%. I'll ***** when they suck, and I'll cheer when they don't....that's what I've done my entire life.

Hey, we're 0-0 right now, and hope springs eternal....So, Mad, since I also am almost as old as Jan, are we the same age? Maybe the three of us should form a geezers club. We could let mercy in as an honorary member. She sometimes claims to be old, but I don't think she's quite up there with the three of us.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Original, Thurm and defriended.
Defriended what?

[SabreEleven]

Facebook-type of defriending.

[MassEffect218435]

5-11

[THATHURMANATOR]

Facebook-type of defriending.
oh ok.

[M]

I'm in. I may not understand what the hell they are doing at OBD but I Billieve. LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!

[SABURZFAN]

the Bills will not go 0-16.

[Canadian'eh!]

I'm optimistic this team can win 3 games!

[THATHURMANATOR]

I'm optimistic this team can win 3 games!
Was this supposed to be funny?

[THATHURMANATOR]

I'm in. I may not understand what the hell they are doing at OBD but I Billieve. LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!
:hi5:

[THATHURMANATOR]

The Delusional thread that was just started is a **** stick.

[Canadian'eh!]

Was this supposed to be funny?

Not at all... I think 3 wins is pretty optimistic.

[SABURZFAN]

The Delusional thread that was just started is a **** stick.


i am optimistic that not all delusionals will not check into that thread.

[HHURRICANE]

You're making the faulty assumption that different is better. Given that these decisions are being made by the same morons who got us into this mess in the first place, there is no legitimate reason to believe that different will be better.

Don't use logic as it is dangerous to this site.

[X-Era]

You're making the faulty assumption that different is better. Given that these decisions are being made by the same morons who got us into this mess in the first place, there is no legitimate reason to believe that different will be better.

Its true, there isnt a good reason to think that THIS version of different will be better.

Other than its fotball season, Im a Bills fan, and Im rooting for my team to win.

[User Manuel]

I frankly like what the Bills are doing in the last couple weeks. They aren't standing pat like they always do and how the Realists always complain about.

2-14 PLEASE. 0-16 COME ON BE REAL...

11-5 . How is that for optimism!

[THATHURMANATOR]

11-5 . How is that for optimism!
:hi5:

[BAM]

GREAT THREAD, THURM!!!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Don't use logic as it is dangerous to this site.
This post is dog ****.

[mybills]

GREAT THREAD, THURM!!!
ditto

[THATHURMANATOR]

GREAT THREAD, THURM!!!
:hi5:

Thanks Bammer. The Bills are fun for me.

[BAM]

:hi5:

Thanks Bammer. The Bills are fun for me.
Me too. Been a die-hard for almost 20 years now but I don't let it affect my personal life or attitude outside of the game. :up:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Me too. Been a die-hard for almost 20 years now but I don't let it affect my personal life or attitude outside of the game. :up:
Oh but you are SOOOOOOO NAIVE and stupid Bammer. :puke:

[mybills]

I said, ditto to BAM's post. Thanks for ignoring me THURM. :cynic:

[THATHURMANATOR]

I said, ditto to BAM's post. Thanks for ignoring me THURM. :cynic:
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SORRY BETH!!! :hi5:

[SabreEleven]

:hi5:

Thanks Bammer. The Bills are fun for me.

They are only fun when they are winning. I"m a sore loser, Thurm

[SABuffalo786]

Right after we got Owens, I thought the Bills would either be really good or really bad; no mediocre between.

With mere days before the start of the season, I still stand behind that statement. Either everything is going to fall into place and click with our young guys a la the 05-06 Sabres or everything will fall apart as most people are predicting, no inbetween.

Let's break this down; what were our big questions marks in March? Edwards, the O-Line and the pass rush.

What are our big question marks now? Um, the exact same thing.

We still have a serviceable defense (in my opinion) and top notch special teams.

I think the O-Line is going to surprise, I really do. Now that we have gotten rid of the last of Marv's overpriced fat ****s who can't run in the no huddle, I think we're going to see the nimble, quick, nasty O-Line that a lot of succesful NFL teams run today.

I think people are forgetting we have a LOT of talented skill players; Owens, Evans, Lynch, Reed, Jackson, Nelson, Parrish, Johnson....and that if Trent gets time we could put up a LOT of offense. Especially now that we have an OC that actually wants to stretch the offense.

Our secondary is quality so if Maybin & Ellis play Kelsay and/or Schoebel off the starting rotation like I think they will, we'll see our first legit pass rush in....well....a decade, and in turn a defense that can produce a lot of turnovers.

Don't get me wrong, this pre-season has disgusted me as much as anyone else. But the fact remains that this is the NFL and NO ONE has any idea what's going to happen.

Prediction: Either 11-5 or 5-11

We either make the playoffs as a Wildcard and discover a whole treasure trove of great young players or get the true rebuild that we desperately need. No down side, Go Bills.

[Bill Cody]

I like optimism. 10-6.

[PECKERWOOD]

8-8 to 10-6 this year, I'm sticking with 10-6 as my official prediction but I'm just giving you a ballpark to work with. :up:

[THATHURMANATOR]

8-8 to 10-6 this year, I'm sticking with 10-6 as my official prediction but I'm just giving you a ballpark to work with. :up:
:bf1:

[Bufftp]

10-6, and it starts Monday night.

[Buffalogic]

Definitely an optimist!! But will be very angry if they miss the playoffs again.

[Yasgur's Farm]

I think I'm gonna jump in on this thing... I'd rather hang with the optimists than hang myself with the "realists".

Sign me up!!!

[OpIv37]

This post is a **** head.

coherent, intelligent response, as usual :rolleyes:

You have no response to my argument so you resort to name-calling. It's pathetic.

[OpIv37]

Me too. Been a die-hard for almost 20 years now but I don't let it affect my personal life or attitude outside of the game. :up:

this makes absolutely no sense.

Before the games: "Woooh! GO BILLS"
If we win: " YEAH! WE KICK ASS"
If we lose, or make some dumbass off-season move: "oh well, doesn't affect me"

Either you're emotionally invested and you care, or you don't. You're trying to have it both ways.

[OpIv37]

I think I'm gonna jump in on this thing... I'd rather hang with the optimists than hang myself with the "realists".

Sign me up!!!

suit yourself... ignorance is bliss.

[THATHURMANATOR]

coherent, intelligent response, as usual :rolleyes:

You have no response to my argument so you resort to name-calling. It's pathetic.
This post is also an idiot.

You act as if I dont know football and my responses are unintelligble, incoherent as you said "as usual". We all know that is a LIE, although I have decided to no longer mess with that nonsense. It is a waste of my time. I am staying positive.

[THATHURMANATOR]

suit yourself... ignorance is bliss.
This post is a waste.

[THATHURMANATOR]

this makes absolutely no sense.

Before the games: "Woooh! GO BILLS"
If we win: " YEAH! WE KICK ASS"
If we lose, or make some dumbass off-season move: "oh well, doesn't affect me"

Either you're emotionally invested and you care, or you don't. You're trying to have it both ways.
This post is an ass.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I think I'm gonna jump in on this thing... I'd rather hang with the optimists than hang myself with the "realists".

Sign me up!!!
:hi5:

[OpIv37]

This post is an ass.

do you EVER have anything intelligent to say?

[THATHURMANATOR]

do you EVER have anything intelligent to say?
no I NEVER do accept for the fact that the above post is an idiot.

[HHURRICANE]

Week 8 and Thrum will be lower than the realists. It happens every year.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Week 8 and Thrum will be lower than the realists. It happens every year.
Or it has Never happened before but whatever the post above is a dummy.

[OpIv37]

This post is also an idiot.

You act as if I dont know football and my responses are unintelligble, incoherent as you said "as usual". We all know that is a LIE, although I have decided to no longer mess with that nonsense. It is a waste of my time. I am staying positive.

You say you know football, then you say you're staying positive. As someone who knows football, what are your football reasons for staying positive? I've stated my football reasons as to why I'm so negative. All you've done is say "I know football and I'm staying positive" with ZERO facts or reasoning to back it up. And then you add immature insults to your post on top of that.

You don't want people to say you're not intelligent and/or that you don't know football? Then back up your assertions with something that resembles a coherent thought.

[THATHURMANATOR]

You say you know football, then you say you're staying positive. As someone who knows football, what are your football reasons for staying positive? I've stated my football reasons as to why I'm so negative. All you've done is say "I know football and I'm staying positive" with ZERO facts or reasoning to back it up. And then you add immature insults to your post on top of that.

You don't want people to say you're not intelligent and/or that you don't know football? Then back up your assertions with something that resembles a coherent thought.
I can stay positive even if I realize the deck is stacked against me. I think that is were our disconnect occurs. I see many things that have to go right for something good to happen. You see those things as already going wrong.

[THATHURMANATOR]

You don't want people to say you're not intelligent and/or that you don't know football? Then back up your assertions with something that resembles a coherent thought.
I do all the time.

To your point I have said on numerous occasions I like what they did with the line. They blew it up. They brought in young guys with heart, talent, attitude and smarts. As an optimist I choose to hope they can come together quickly.

I love what I have seen from Maybin, and Schobel should at the very least be an upgrade over Denney and Kelsey. Ellis has potential as well.

Poz looked like a beast in the preseason.

Mckelvin is going to be a star

Stroud is solid inside.

Mcgargo showed promise

Mcgee is solid as always.

We have 2 stud receivers and good complementary wideouts.

I have said these things probably 100 times in the last couple months. I don't say they are fact, but just my hopes and thoughts.

I realize your are a very negative person at heart. The dumbest thing about it all is you need this, you need me or posters like me to function. I mean why would you even bother to post in a thread like this with your Realist negativity if that were not the case?

[THATHURMANATOR]

You say you know football, then you say you're staying positive. As someone who knows football, what are your football reasons for staying positive? I've stated my football reasons as to why I'm so negative. All you've done is say "I know football and I'm staying positive" with ZERO facts or reasoning to back it up. And then you add immature insults to your post on top of that.

You don't want people to say you're not intelligent and/or that you don't know football? Then back up your assertions with something that resembles a coherent thought.
By the way this post is an idiot.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Classic!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Classic!
FO SHO JOE!

[THATHURMANATOR]

I am going to work out now.

Op I expect an apology when I get back.

[OpIv37]

I do all the time.

To your point I have said on numerous occasions I like what they did with the line. They blew it up. They brought in young guys with heart, talent, attitude and smarts. As an optimist I choose to hope they can come together quickly.

I love what I have seen from Maybin, and Schobel should at the very least be an upgrade over Denney and Kelsey. Ellis has potential as well.

Poz looked like a beast in the preseason.

Mckelvin is going to be a star

Stroud is solid inside.

Mcgargo showed promise

Mcgee is solid as always.

We have 2 stud receivers and good complementary wideouts.

I have said these things probably 100 times in the last couple months. I don't say they are fact, but just my hopes and thoughts.

I realize your are a very negative person at heart. The dumbest thing about it all is you need this, you need me or posters like me to function. I mean why would you even bother to post in a thread like this with your Realist negativity if that were not the case?

you choose to HOPE they come together quickly. But there's no proof or evidence that they will. In fact, they struggled heavily in pre-season so the evidence is actually AGAINST what you are hoping.

I'll give you Poz, McGee and McKelvin, even Maybin. Stroud has been getting ZERO push, Schobel's washed up and McCargo always seems to show promise before reverting.

Stud receivers don't matter with an inexperienced OL and struggling QB.

of course I need posters like you to function, just like you need posters like me. If everyone agreed, what would be the point of having a message board? There would be nothing to discuss.

You can call me negative all you want, but everything I say is extremely realistic and based on what I see on the field. I hope the OL will do well, but that's not what I actually SAW on the field, and historically young OL's have not excelled. So, while I hope the OL will do well, remaining optimistic that they will when both history and their own performance suggests the opposite is simply unreasonable.

[X-Era]

:popcorn:

I seriously need to meet the both of you at a game sometime!

[OpIv37]

:popcorn:

I seriously need to meet the both of you at a game sometime!

Definitely, but unfortunately I won't be making any games this year, home or away. First time that I haven't made at least one in 6 years.

[X-Era]

Definitely, but unfortunately I won't be making any games this year, home or away. First time that I haven't made at least one in 6 years.

That sucks.

Maybe next year?

[MikeInRoch]

THANK GOODNESS there are those people who live to put optimists in their place. :rolleyes:

[Bill Cody]

This post is an idiot



This post is an ass


:roflmao:

[OpIv37]

THANK GOODNESS there are those people who live to put optimists in their place. :rolleyes:

either me now or reality later- take your pick.

[Bill Cody]

either me now or reality later- take your pick.

And if we pick reality later?

[OpIv37]

And if we pick reality later?

then don't read my posts.

[THATHURMANATOR]

:popcorn:

I seriously need to meet the both of you at a game sometime!
I havent missed a home game in 7 years.

and Op isn't nearly as miserable in person.

He still hasn't apologized though....

[THATHURMANATOR]

then don't read my posts.
Then don't post your realistic crap in my optimists thread.

[MassEffect218435]

I havent missed a home game in 7 years.

and Op isn't nearly as miserable in person.

He still hasn't apologized though....Why should he? You are the one that's out of touch with reality.

[THATHURMANATOR]

either me now or reality later- take your pick.
Hey since you have a crystal ball what are the lottery numbers by the way?

[OpIv37]

Hey since you have a crystal ball what are the lottery numbers by the way?

This old gag? Don't you have any new material?

I don't have a crystal ball. Nothing is guaranteed. At this point, there are only likely outcomes and unlikely outcomes.

The Bills have a head coach with only one winning season in 7 years. They have the least experienced OL in the league, a struggling QB, an OC who's only been in charge for a week, a star RB suspended for the first 3 games, and a D that's the same as last year with the exception of an undersized DE.

The chances of a team in those circumstances being successful are VERY slim. Is it possible that they're the exception to the rule? Sure. Is it likely? Hell ****ing no.

Being optimistic about this team is the equivalent of taking lotto numbers from me then going on a shopping spree under the assumption that you won before the drawing even happens.

[MikeInRoch]

Being optimistic about this team is the equivalent of taking lotto numbers from me then going on a shopping spree under the assumption that you won before the drawing even happens.

No, it's a lot closer to *thinking* about what you will buy when you win. There's no commitment behind being an optimist.

[THATHURMANATOR]

either me now or reality later- take your pick.


The above post is Cat piss

You have no way of knowing anything. Don't pretend to.

[THATHURMANATOR]

This old gag? Don't you have any new material?

I don't have a crystal ball. Nothing is guaranteed. At this point, there are only likely outcomes and unlikely outcomes.

The Bills have a head coach with only one winning season in 7 years. They have the least experienced OL in the league, a struggling QB, an OC who's only been in charge for a week, a star RB suspended for the first 3 games, and a D that's the same as last year with the exception of an undersized DE.

The chances of a team in those circumstances being successful are VERY slim. Is it possible that they're the exception to the rule? Sure. Is it likely? Hell ****ing no.

Being optimistic about this team is the equivalent of taking lotto numbers from me then going on a shopping spree under the assumption that you won before the drawing even happens.
This post is a bastard. Why are you wasting your time?

Go ruin a different thread.

[Philagape]

Why are you wasting your time?

He's got a point there.

[MassEffect218435]

This post is a bastard. Why are you wasting your time?

Go ruin a different thread.Wow, you act like a child.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Why should he? You are the one that's out of touch with reality.
He insinuated I don't have knowledge of the game of football which clearly isn't the case.

Explain how I am out of touch with reality??? I just don't get it. I am hopeful things will go well. I don't guarantee anything. That seems pretty sane to me but I am sure you will follow in Op's know it all footsteps and tell me I am wrong.... :puke:

[Mr. Pink]

He insinuated I don't have knowledge of the game of football which clearly isn't the case.

Explain how I am out of touch with reality??? I just don't get it. I am hopeful things will go well. I don't guarantee anything. That seems pretty sane to me but I am sure you will follow in Op's know it all footsteps and tell me I am wrong.... :puke:


YOU SIR ARE WRONG.

AND REDICULOUS!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Wow, you act like a child.
Get over yourself.

[THATHURMANATOR]

YOU SIR ARE WRONG.

AND REDICULOUS!
Wow you are a child... :rolleyes:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Here is a real life example of why I loathe Realists from last week. I went with my bro to the preseason game and I met up with a bunch of his friends. I have an Edwards Jersey on. The guys are people he works with and are quite a bit older than I am. They immediately start in how Edwards sucks, the Bills suck, why did I buy an Edwards Jersey, various other complaints etc.... I wanted to throw up right in their faces. I don't have time for that crap. I don't claim to be a football "expert", but I watch a lot of it. I know the team's short comings. I don't like negativity. I am very optimistic person, it is just how I am. I don't claim that Op or the Realists might not be right, I just chose to not want that negativity loser talk jammed down my throat. You would think that in a thread such as this designed for the upbeat I could get a way from it but no sir I must be told how naive I am, this before a freaking regular season play has even taken place... Enough already

[Thirdman75]

Optimist here... life is too short to piss and moan all the time. I've waited 8 months for the season to begin, and win or lose, I love Bills football and always will.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Optimist here... life is too short to piss and moan all the time. I've waited 8 months for the season to begin, and win or lose, I love Bills football and always will.
:hi5: Have fun man. That is the whole point of Football.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

6-10

[Captain Obvious]

He insinuated I don't have knowledge of the game of football which clearly isn't the case.

... :puke:

When you pick the Bills to win 10 games every year.. you slowly begin to lose credibility over time

[X-Era]

I havent missed a home game in 7 years.

and Op isn't nearly as miserable in person.

He still hasn't apologized though....

Fine, when I head to a game, I will be expecting to empty a few with you and the crew.

:cheers:

[mybills]

Here is a real life example of why I loathe Realists from last week. I went with my bro to the preseason game and I met up with a bunch of his friends. I have an Edwards Jersey on. The guys are people he works with and are quite a bit older than I am. They immediately start in how Edwards sucks, the Bills suck, why did I buy an Edwards Jersey, various other complaints etc.... I wanted to throw up right in their faces. I don't have time for that crap. I don't claim to be a football "expert", but I watch a lot of it. I know the team's short comings. I don't like negativity. I am very optimistic person, it is just how I am. I don't claim that Op or the Realists might not be right, I just chose to not want that negativity loser talk jammed down my throat. You would think that in a thread such as this designed for the upbeat I could get a way from it but no sir I must be told how naive I am, this before a freaking regular season play has even taken place... Enough already
:10:

[THATHURMANATOR]

When you pick the Bills to win 10 games every year.. you slowly begin to lose credibility over time
Predictions are just for fun man.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Fine, when I head to a game, I will be expecting to empty a few with you and the crew.

:cheers:
Ok let me know. I have my own tailgate on the complete opposite side of the zone one. I can always swing by though.

[THATHURMANATOR]

:10:
:hi5:

[SABURZFAN]

He insinuated I don't have knowledge of the game of football which clearly isn't the case.

Explain how I am out of touch with reality??? I just don't get it. I am hopeful things will go well. I don't guarantee anything. That seems pretty sane to me but I am sure you will follow in Op's know it all footsteps and tell me I am wrong.... :puke:



you're wrong. :shakeno:

[THATHURMANATOR]

you're wrong. :shakeno:
But mean it when you say it.

[SABURZFAN]

But mean it when you say it.


YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THATHURMANATOR]

YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a child.

[SABURZFAN]

You are a child.


i don't want to grow up.

[THATHURMANATOR]

i don't want to grow up.
You don't have to. Proceed.

[SABURZFAN]

:10:


keep licking......

[SABURZFAN]

You don't have to. Proceed.



Op is right. :up:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Op is right. :up:
I am not saying he isn't.

[Canadian'eh!]

There is NOTHING wrong with being realistic about the teams direction and chances.

You might just want to cheer whatever they throw out there week in ans week out and look for the best in it.

But the rest of us look at what's wrong, and look to figure out what it would take to FIX IT.

We want to be fans, but we also want to feel as though our fandom is reciprocated by the team.

[THATHURMANATOR]

There is NOTHING wrong with being realistic about the teams direction and chances.

.
Who said their was? I just said it sickens me to hear it every 5 seconds. In this thread especially.

[Canadian'eh!]

What do you expect? In today's NFL the talent is relatively equal and management means everything.

We don't spend to attract big Free Agents. We don't draft overly well.
And worst of all we have about the worst coaching in the NFL.

I am legitimately worried we will have the worst record in the NFL along with Detroit and Oakland.

[SABURZFAN]

Who said their was? I just said it sickens me to hear it every 5 seconds. In this thread especially.



the truth will set you free though.

[THATHURMANATOR]

What do you expect? In today's NFL the talent is relatively equal and management means everything.

We don't spend to attract big Free Agents. We don't draft overly well.
And worst of all we have about the worst coaching in the NFL.

I am legitimately worried we will have the worst record in the NFL along with Detroit and Oakland.
I expect it to not be heard in this thread my friend. STOP IT. Does OP have you in a trance?

[SABURZFAN]

What do you expect? In today's NFL the talent is relatively equal and management means everything.

We don't spend to attract big Free Agents. We don't draft overly well.
And worst of all we have about the worst coaching in the NFL.

I am legitimately worried we will have the worst record in the NFL along with Detroit and Oakland.


that's why i started this thread.


http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=178872

[THATHURMANATOR]

the truth will set you free though.
I am already like a little bird free as can be.

[SABURZFAN]

I am already like a little bird free as can be.


i disagree. you wouldn't let the realists get to you if you were.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Can't I just have one thread though Sab? :(

[SABURZFAN]

Can't I just have one thread though Sab? :(


have as many as you want. you can have mine too.

[mybills]

I expect it to not be heard in this thread my friend. STOP IT. Does OP have you in a trance?
:rofl:

[THATHURMANATOR]

:rofl:
:hi5:

[Canadian'eh!]

Drink from the enchanted HATERade bucket Thurm... you can only hold out so long.

JOIN US!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Drink from the enchanted HATERade bucket Thurm... you can only hold out so long.

JOIN US!

Will never happen.

I of course acknowledge poor play when it happens, or after the game.

[PECKERWOOD]

You say you know football, then you say you're staying positive. As someone who knows football, what are your football reasons for staying positive? I've stated my football reasons as to why I'm so negative. All you've done is say "I know football and I'm staying positive" with ZERO facts or reasoning to back it up. And then you add immature insults to your post on top of that.

You don't want people to say you're not intelligent and/or that you don't know football? Then back up your assertions with something that resembles a coherent thought.

The best fans are positive fans, we're the people at the games with posters, war paint and just flat out cheering our asses off. There is no reason to be negative or even realistic about your franchise unless you're in the front office making the decisions, otherwise bickering on a message board makes zero sense at all. Let's have some fun with it while there is still some hope! :gobills:

[THATHURMANATOR]

The best fans are positive fans, we're the people at the games with posters, war paint and just flat out cheering our asses off. There is no reason to be negative or even realistic about your franchise unless you're in the front office making the decisions, otherwise bickering on a message board makes zero sense at all. Let's have some fun with it while there is still some hope! :gobills:
:bf1:

[Philagape]

The best fans are positive fans, we're the people at the games with posters, war paint and just flat out cheering our asses off.

The best fans are those who are realistic and still do those things. That requires using both sides of the brain instead of just one.

[PECKERWOOD]

:bf1:

GREAT FANS ARE A CROSS BETWEEN

http://www.e-filler.ca/images/UltimateWarrior2.jpg

AND

http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7925562101/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/04/11/William_Wallace.jpg


FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOM

[Philagape]

BuffaloFever, you're not describing fans, you're describing cheerleaders.

[PECKERWOOD]

BuffaloFever, you're not describing fans, you're describing cheerleaders.

I'M DESCRIBING WARRIORS, PHIL.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I'M DESCRIBING WARRIORS, PHIL.
ULTIMATE WARRIORS!!! :hi5:

[PECKERWOOD]

ULTIMATE WARRIORS!!! :hi5:

WITH SWORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Canadian'eh!]

Will never happen.

I of course acknowledge poor play when it happens, or after the game.

In which case I suggest you do something fun this weekend. After monday, you might not be so much of an optimist.

[THATHURMANATOR]

In which case I suggest you do something fun this weekend. After monday, you might not be so much of an optimist.
I will I will watch football with my friends and family.

I fully expect the team to lose Monday. It won't end the season for me.

[THATHURMANATOR]

WITH SWORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND SHIELDS!!!!!!

[SABURZFAN]

I fully expect the team to lose Monday.


so much for being optimistic. :shakeno:

[THATHURMANATOR]

so much for being optimistic. :shakeno:
My optimism is for the season. I don't expect a 16-0 season.

[PECKERWOOD]

I expect a patriot SMACKDOWN.

Mr. Butt :pirate: Tom Brady is going to get smacked so hard by Maybin that his parrot is going to fly away, but not before Mitchell shoves his peg leg up his ass.

[The Popcorn]

Throw the ball to T.O. and the Bills will win.

[mybills]

so much for being optimistic. :shakeno:
stop being a http://www.chocolate.com/dimages/product_images/5225-chocolate-starfish-gift-bag-favors_290x290.jpg
:please:

[OpIv37]

Here is a real life example of why I loathe Realists from last week. I went with my bro to the preseason game and I met up with a bunch of his friends. I have an Edwards Jersey on. The guys are people he works with and are quite a bit older than I am. They immediately start in how Edwards sucks, the Bills suck, why did I buy an Edwards Jersey, various other complaints etc.... I wanted to throw up right in their faces. I don't have time for that crap. I don't claim to be a football "expert", but I watch a lot of it. I know the team's short comings. I don't like negativity. I am very optimistic person, it is just how I am. I don't claim that Op or the Realists might not be right, I just chose to not want that negativity loser talk jammed down my throat. You would think that in a thread such as this designed for the upbeat I could get a way from it but no sir I must be told how naive I am, this before a freaking regular season play has even taken place... Enough already

This is your whole problem: it's NOT negative loser talk. It's reality. Edwards has been sucking it up ever since his injury last year, including the preseason this year. You not wanting to hear it doesn't make it any less true.

You wonder why people say you don't know anything about football? You just admitted that you block out information that you don't like. Yet, you still want people to take you seriously? Give me a ****ing break.

[mybills]

This is your whole problem: it's NOT negative loser talk. It's reality. Edwards has been sucking it up ever since his injury last year, including the preseason this year. You not wanting to hear it doesn't make it any less true.



While I agree that Trent has been awful, and I'm sure EVERY BILLS FAN CAN SEE THAT WITHOUT YOU POINTING IT OUT...the reality is that Trent played under Turk, not Jauron. NOW he's playing under AVP.
Are you forgetting that Jauron is a defense minded HC, and that he trusted Turk all this time, and that he finally put an end to the Turk insanity? PLEASE stop being your usual negative self UNTIL WE ALL SEE how Trent performs under an EX QB's directions.
Thanks!

Luv ya Bryan! :mybills: :D
:gobills:

[OpIv37]

While I agree that Trent has been awful, and I'm sure EVERY BILLS FAN CAN SEE THAT WITHOUT YOU POINTING IT OUT...the reality is that Trent played under Turk, not Jauron. NOW he's playing under AVP.
Are you forgetting that Jauron is a defense minded HC, and that he trusted Turk all this time, and that he finally put an end to the Turk insanity? PLEASE stop being your usual negative self UNTIL WE ALL SEE how Trent performs under an EX QB's directions.
Thanks!

Luv ya Bryan! :mybills: :D
:gobills:

See... here's the problem:

AVP was a former QB turned QB coach who was promoted to OC due to the fact that the previous OC sucked.

Turk Schonert.... was a former QB turned QB coach who was promoted to OC due to the fact that the previous OC sucked.

We've seen this episode before.

Now, Maybe AVP is better than Turk. But, he has 10 days to fix problems that this team has had for 3 years. TEN DAYS. There is no way he's going to fix this cluster**** in that amount of time.

I'm glad we made the change to AVP (although I wish we did it much sooner), but this wreaks of doing the same thing and expecting different results.

[mybills]

The difference is, Alex actually QB'd for the Bills. Did Turk? I'm just asking cuz I don't recall him doing that.

But if I'm correct, and only AVP did, then only AVP counts. F**k Turk.

[OpIv37]

The difference is, Alex actually QB'd for the Bills. Did Turk? I'm just asking cuz I don't recall him doing that.

But if I'm correct, and only AVP did, then only AVP counts. F**k Turk.

not sure what you're getting at.

AVP was an NFL QB for the Bills. Schonert QB'd for the Bears.

But when AVP played for the Bills, we had different coaches, FO personnel and players.

The fact that one is a former Bills QB and one is not has absolutely zero relevance.

[Nighthawk]

The difference is, Alex actually QB'd for the Bills. Did Turk? I'm just asking cuz I don't recall him doing that.

But if I'm correct, and only AVP did, then only AVP counts. F**k Turk.

This means nothing and has no relevance to whether or not he'll be successful as an OC.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Op get out of this thread with your loser mentality.
I don't block any info. I just don't need idiots telling me things I can see with my own eyes like the made some brand new discovery.

You are no better than any other arm chair qb out there. Remember that.

[mybills]

not sure what you're getting at.


I was asking. I thought I said that. :idunno:
Anyway, AVP has been with this team right along, is all.
I believe he has a better grasp on it, and these things.
I have a gut feeling that Trent will flourish now.
:crossfingers:

[mybills]

This means nothing and has no relevance to whether or not he'll be successful as an OC.
I wasn't talking to you, Fonzie.









oddly enough, I just watched a repeat of Numb3rs and he guess starred on it. :eek:

[SABURZFAN]

stop being a http://www.chocolate.com/dimages/product_images/5225-chocolate-starfish-gift-bag-favors_290x290.jpg
:please:


your fetish just ruined this thread. :ill:

[SABURZFAN]

This is your whole problem: it's NOT negative loser talk. It's reality. Edwards has been sucking it up ever since his injury last year, including the preseason this year. You not wanting to hear it doesn't make it any less true.

You wonder why people say you don't know anything about football? You just admitted that you block out information that you don't like. Yet, you still want people to take you seriously? Give me a ****ing break.


:bf1:

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

I am signing in as an optimist.

I am optimisticly predicting 2 wins.

I am very optimistic we can get 2 wins.

I feel so optimistic.

[OpIv37]

Op get out of this thread with your loser mentality.
I don't block any info. I just don't need idiots telling me things I can see with my own eyes like the made some brand new discovery.

You are no better than any other arm chair qb out there. Remember that.

Here's the problem- you say you see them with your own eyes, yet, you remain optimistic. How can you possibly see all these problems and remain optimistic? There is absolutely no logic in that. It makes zero sense. You always criticize religious people for believing in something that they have no proof of, yet you are optimistic about this team despite ZERO evidence that they can play well.

There is no consistency or logic in your thought process.

[MikeInRoch]

I think the problem is that you feel such a strong need to tell other people what their problem is.

[BAM]

If you guys would just ignore him, you wouldn't get caught up in these stupid arguments. He's always right and you can't win with him. Just do what I do anymore- skip over his posts.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Here's the problem- you say you see them with your own eyes, yet, you remain optimistic. How can you possibly see all these problems and remain optimistic? There is absolutely no logic in that. It makes zero sense. You always criticize religious people for believing in something that they have no proof of, yet you are optimistic about this team despite ZERO evidence that they can play well.

There is no consistency or logic in your thought process.
Why can't you understand why I can stay optimistic?
I fully understand how you can be negative.

What isn't consistant with my thought process?
I feel there is still hope because I have hope in the following(I have already posted numerous times)
This doesn't mean I guarantee they will happen but I think they could and hope they do.

Trent Edwards putting it together

Maybin making an impact

The young line coming together, being a more mobile, nastier group.

Poz and Mckelvin becoming stars

TO and Evans

Lynch and Jackson

Stroud

What is "flawed" in this train of thought? Keeping in mind those are just hopes.

What do you want from me? Should I write of the season? That just wouldn't be fun for me, and if I did that why even watch the games?

I surely joke around a lot on here but one thing I will never do is give up on the Buffalo Bills.

Also keep in mind you really aren't as smart as you think you are.

[THATHURMANATOR]

If you guys would just ignore him, you wouldn't get caught up in these stupid arguments. He's always right and you can't win with him. Just do what I do anymore- skip over his posts.
Ok I am done with him after the last one.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I think the problem is that you feel such a strong need to tell other people what their problem is.
<img src=http://admin.moguling.com/Upload/www.freeonlinebingo.tv/bingo%20hall.jpg>

[BAM]

Ok I am done with him after the last one.
I'm not saying you should quit debating with him. Afterall, that's one of the main purposes of message boards. Just know that you'll never win. He's always correct. And there's always a conspiracy and someone's out to get him. If you don't want to read his crap, just ignore him.

[Bill Cody]

Here's the problem- you say you see them with your own eyes, yet, you remain optimistic. How can you possibly see all these problems and remain optimistic? There is absolutely no logic in that. It makes zero sense. You always criticize religious people for believing in something that they have no proof of, yet you are optimistic about this team despite ZERO evidence that they can play well.

There is no consistency or logic in your thought process.

An optimist sees past results not as predictor of the future but as a road map for what needs to improve. The Bills had OL issues last year and they've taken steps to address the problem. Will those steps help? Nobody knows yet- we haven't played a game. So the optimist looks at that situation and hopes for the best. We also had pass rush problems. Will getting Schobel back healthy and adding Maybin help? Nobody knows yet, Maybin hasn't taken a live snap. But the optimist looks at that situation with hope. Trent Edwards has been up and down as most young QB's are. Could he step up and be consistent this year? Quite possibly yes, how likely it is depends on whether you're an optimist or not.

You don't get to decide what other people should think. You want to spend your life pissing in people's corn flakes go ahead, doesn't mean we have to invite you to our lawn party.

[northernbillfan]

:wave: I'll sign in

[Typ0]

Seriously guys, they took steps to improve the OLine in two or three years not this year. I like what we are hearing about these guys and it could turn out we have a smash you in the face offense for a change but that isn't going to be now. And that brings me to the next point...teams don't win championships with glaring holes. So, maybe we could win every week like any team in the NFL but the ultimate objective is far off optimist, pessimist, realists whatever you want to call yourself.

[Yasgur's Farm]

You don't get to decide what other people should think. You want to spend your life pissing in people's corn flakes go ahead, doesn't mean we have to invite you to our lawn party. :bf1: It also doesn't mean we need to eat the :monkeyp: pissed in corn flakes.

[BuffaloChip]

I billieve we will have a winning record this season!