Whitner has made less plays....

[BidsJr]

In his career than Troy P. made in the first half. Bummer he got hurt he was a joy to watch.

That is a true FS.



Discuss.

[MassEffect218435]

Whitner = a wasted pick, like most first round picks made by this team.

[Mr. Pink]

Polamalu is all over the field and makes plays by himself.

If you want further proof that a FS can make plays without help of those around him, Troy made two huge plays without anyone else helping.

The INT there was no pass rush and tackling Chris Johnson in the backfield on the Titans first drive.

Where Whitner was drafted he was supposed to show flashes of plays like those two.

[Ickybaluky]

He isn't really a "true FS". He plays on the strong side. Ryan Clark is the FS in Pittsburgh.

[Prov401]

He isn't really a "true FS". He plays on the strong side. Ryan Clark is the FS in Pittsburgh.

Exactly. Troy and Ed Reed are in a leauge of their own.

[Canadian'eh!]

1: Ed Reed
2: Troy Polamalu
3: Adrian Wilson
4: Bob Sanders
































74: Donte ****ner.

[Canadian'eh!]

Sean Taylor would have rounded out the top 5 .... RIP

[Mahdi]

Polamalu is all over the field and makes plays by himself.

If you want further proof that a FS can make plays without help of those around him, Troy made two huge plays without anyone else helping.

The INT there was no pass rush and tackling Chris Johnson in the backfield on the Titans first drive.

Where Whitner was drafted he was supposed to show flashes of plays like those two.
Why do you think Polamalu is all over the field to begin with?

Troy has a free pass in his defense to pretty much roam anywhere because his front 7 is so good and generate so much pressure that he doesn't have to play disciplined.

The whole reason Pitt can play with only one safety deep is because QBs dont have time to go long so they settle for the short stuff and Troy is usually there to make the play because he just roams around.

The tackle on Chris Johnson is typical of that. Troy was just hovering around the box and playing instinctively.

Whitner has no choice but to play disciplined football because he knows we're not getting to the QB. If he roamed around trying to make plays it would be 6 points for them every time.

You cannot compare what Whitner does for our defense to what Polamalu does. They have completely different roles.

If our pass rush is good this year Whitner will do a lot more free lancing too.

[ddaryl]

Whitner = a wasted pick, like most first round picks made by this team.

the game is won and lost in the trenches, so skip over a pro bowl DT and reach for a S.

[SABURZFAN]

In his career than Troy P. made in the first half. Bummer he got hurt he was a joy to watch.

That is a true FS.



Discuss.


has he even made one? :idunno:

[Ickybaluky]

Why do you think Polamalu is all over the field to begin with?

Troy has a free pass in his defense to pretty much roam anywhere because his front 7 is so good and generate so much pressure that he doesn't have to play disciplined.

The whole reason Pitt can play with only one safety deep is because QBs dont have time to go long so they settle for the short stuff and Troy is usually there to make the play because he just roams around.

The tackle on Chris Johnson is typical of that. Troy was just hovering around the box and playing instinctively.

Whitner has no choice but to play disciplined football because he knows we're not getting to the QB. If he roamed around trying to make plays it would be 6 points for them every time.

You cannot compare what Whitner does for our defense to what Polamalu does. They have completely different roles.

If our pass rush is good this year Whitner will do a lot more free lancing too.

That's bull. Polamalu is one of the driving forces on the NFL's best defense. They aren't the same team without him. His instincts and range are why he is so good, and Whitner has not displayed those. Playing football is about a lot more than athletic ability or talent, and Polamalu has it all over Whitner when it comes to being a football player.

Whitner has 1 sack, 2 Ints, 2 FF and 7 passes defensed in 3 full years. That is a good couple of games for Polamalu. Whitner isn't terrible, but he doesn't make game-changing plays. He hasn't displayed the instincts or intangibles to be a game-changer. Maybe he'll start doing so at some point, but don't be putting down Polamalu because Whitner is pedestrian. Polamalu would be great on any team.

[Mahdi]

That's bull. Polamalu is one of the driving forces on the NFL's best defense. They aren't the same team without him. His instincts and range are why he is so good, and Whitner has not displayed those. Playing football is about a lot more than athletic ability or talent, and Polamalu has it all over Whitner when it comes to being a football player.

Whitner has 1 sack, 2 Ints, 2 FF and 7 passes defensed in 3 full years. That is a good couple of games for Polamalu. Whitner isn't terrible, but he doesn't make game-changing plays. He hasn't displayed the instincts or intangibles to be a game-changer. Maybe he'll start doing so at some point, but don't be putting down Polamalu because Whitner is pedestrian. Polamalu would be great on any team.
A. I am definitely not putting down Polamalu. Read my post properly. I agree that Polamalu is probably the best safety in the NFL. Better than Reed because of his tackling.

B. My point is that Polamalu has a license to roam free in his defense and allow his instincts to take over on virtually every play. Whitner on the other hand is "tasked" a certain role on any given play. He is either in the box as a run defender, or playing deep on pass downs to limit the big plays. He doesn't have the luxury of roaming the field on 3rd down following his instincts. If he did that we would get burned for big plays routinely.

[Forward_Lateral]

Isn't Polomalu a SS?

[DMBcrew36]

Sean Taylor would have rounded out the top 5 .... RIP

I guess you don't have to have any class to be good.

[Jan Reimers]

Fewer plays. We need to discuss the fewer and less rule.

[Ickybaluky]

B. My point is that Polamalu has a license to roam free in his defense and allow his instincts to take over on virtually every play. Whitner on the other hand is "tasked" a certain role on any given play. He is either in the box as a run defender, or playing deep on pass downs to limit the big plays. He doesn't have the luxury of roaming the field on 3rd down following his instincts. If he did that we would get burned for big plays routinely.

That is bull. He is the SS in their defense, so he has responsibilities on every play. The difference is he puts himself in position to make plays all over the field while not screwing up his responsibilities. His "roaming" is his ability to use his instincts to make plays.

The inference you are making is that if they switched teams that they would be different players. That isn't true. They are the players they are, and would be if the teams were different.

I'll tell you right now, Brandon Meriweather made more game-changing plays last year, only starting part of the season, than Whitner made in his whole career -- despite the Pats complete lack of pass rush and defensive issues. And Meriweather is not Troy Polamalu, not even close.

[Mahdi]

That is bull. He is the SS in their defense, so he has responsibilities on every play. The difference is he puts himself in position to make plays all over the field while not screwing up his responsibilities. His "roaming" is his ability to use his instincts to make plays.

The inference you are making is that if they switched teams that they would be different players. That isn't true. They are the players they are, and would be if the teams were different.

I'll tell you right now, Brandon Meriweather made more game-changing plays last year, only starting part of the season, than Whitner made in his whole career -- despite the Pats complete lack of pass rush and defensive issues. And Meriweather is not Troy Polamalu, not even close.
Bottom line. If you think Polamolu would make just as many plays in Buffalo's defense as he does with Pittsburgh then I would have to question yer knowledge of football.

Am I saying Pola and Whitner are the same, no, not even close. But to compare the two considering their respective situations is ridiculous.

[justasportsfan]

Not defending Whitner but you also have to consider. Lebeau > Dick+Fewell

[Ebenezer]

Polamalu would be great on any team.

not on this team he wouldn't be.

[justasportsfan]

not on this team he wouldn't be.
:up:

[Canadian'eh!]

That is bull. He is the SS in their defense, so he has responsibilities on every play. The difference is he puts himself in position to make plays all over the field while not screwing up his responsibilities. His "roaming" is his ability to use his instincts to make plays.

The inference you are making is that if they switched teams that they would be different players. That isn't true. They are the players they are, and would be if the teams were different.

I'll tell you right now, Brandon Meriweather made more game-changing plays last year, only starting part of the season, than Whitner made in his whole career -- despite the Pats complete lack of pass rush and defensive issues. And Meriweather is not Troy Polamalu, not even close.

well... considering Polamalu betters Whitner's career in number EVERY YEAR, I'd say it's no contest...

And yes... they are bot SS's.

[Ickybaluky]

not on this team he wouldn't be.

I think he would be, so question away. Adrian Wilson was a great player on some crappy Cardinals defenses. You take Polamalu and still him on the Bills and he is going to continue to make game-changing plays.

When a guy is special like Polamalu, he is going to make any defense better.

[Mahdi]

well... considering Polamalu betters Whitner's career in number EVERY YEAR, I'd say it's no contest...

And yes... they are bot SS's.
No one is debating who is better. Answer is obvious.

[Canadian'eh!]

Meriweather had 93 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 ints, 2FF and 9 PD's last year.

Every one of those numbers is equal or better than Whitner's CAREER TOTALS for Meriweathers 2nd season. And he only started 11 games.

[Canadian'eh!]

No one is debating who is better. Answer is obvious.

I'm not debating who is better. I'm debating that ****ner is GARBAGE

[Canadian'eh!]

193tackles 1sack 1INT 1FF 17PD 1SFTY
255tackles 1sack 2INT 2FF 7PD 0SFTY



Those are the career numbers for Michael Huff, and Donte Whitner over 3 full seasons. Huff is pretty much unanimously regarded as a bust, many still argue (especially DOnte) that ****ner is a future star. The numbers don't lie. They are pretty much equal.

You can even argue that:

Bernard Pollard, Antoine Bethea, Dawan Landry, Danieal Manning and a couple others have been better.

[justasportsfan]

I think he would be, so question away. Adrian Wilson was a great player on some crappy Cardinals defenses. You take Polamalu and still him on the Bills and he is going to continue to make game-changing plays.

When a guy is special like Polamalu, he is going to make any defense better.
Dockery was highly regarded in Wash. He was solid. We turned him into a turd. It's starting to look like Mitchell is starting to do the same.

Troy would probably be solid here but not great.

[Ickybaluky]

Dockery was highly regarded in Wash. He was solid. We turned him into a turd. It's starting to look like Mitchell is starting to do the same.

Troy would probably be solid here but not great player.

Dockery wasn't "highly regarded". He started, but he wasn't a great player like Polamalu.

Mitchell is, and has been, an average NFL player. He played for 4 years in Kansas City and was average. Then, after finding little interest in FA, he had to sign a 1-year deal with the Giants and was average. Then the Bills signed him, and he has been average. Really, he has been pretty consistent throughout his career.

Polamalu is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. He is anything but average, and he would be great on any team.

[Mahdi]

Dockery wasn't "highly regarded". He started, but he wasn't a great player like Polamalu.

Mitchell is, and has been, an average NFL player. He played for 4 years in Kansas City and was average. Then, after finding little interest in FA, he had to sign a 1-year deal with the Giants and was average. Then the Bills signed him, and he has been average. Really, he has been pretty consistent throughout his career.

Polamalu is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. He is anything but average, and he would be great on any team.
Just like Randy Moss.

[justasportsfan]

Dockery wasn't "highly regarded". He started, but he wasn't a great player like Polamalu.

Mitchell is, and has been, an average NFL player. He played for 4 years in Kansas City and was average. Then, after finding little interest in FA, he had to sign a 1-year deal with the Giants and was average. Then the Bills signed him, and he has been average. Really, he has been pretty consistent throughout his career.

Polamalu is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. He is anything but average, and he would be great on any team.

didn't say Dockery nor Mitchell were great but they were solid. We'd make Palu solid but not great. Palu has an OC that knows to make the right calls and knows how to use his strengths. Lebeau is aggressive. We have an HC whose philosophy is bend don't break. Soft. WE make our DE's drop back and cover wr for crying out loud.

[djjimkelly]

has he even made one? :idunno:


no hes busy being 30 yards off the line in our genius cover 2 scheme

[Ickybaluky]

Just like Randy Moss.

Randy Moss made game-changing plays in Oakland his first year, until he got injured.

In his second year he got fed up and quit trying, which doesn't reflect well on him but is a fact.

Are you suggesting Whitner isn't trying?

[Mahdi]

Randy Moss made game-changing plays in Oakland his first year, until he got injured.

In his second year he got fed up and quit trying, which doesn't reflect well on him but is a fact.

Are you suggesting Whitner isn't trying?
Randy Moss got fed up because his supporting cast was weak and it affected his production.

But according to you a great player should be great in any circumstance. He was average in Oakland, great in Minnesota, great in New England.

[Ickybaluky]

Randy Moss got fed up because his supporting cast was weak and it affected his production.

But according to you a great player should be great in any circumstance. He was average in Oakland, great in Minnesota, great in New England.

Moss got frustrated with his situation and quit. He didn't try. That had nothing to do with his supporting cast, which was admitted very poor (certainly worse than Buffalo right now). It wasn't that he couldn't play anymore.

There are tons of examples of guys who are great on bad teams.

Tony Gonzales managed to put up some pretty good numbers on a crap team in recent years.

Jared Allen led the NFL in sacks on a bad KC defense.

As bad as the Rams have been on defense the last few years, Oshomogho Atogwe managed to make some big plays.

As much as Oakland has sucked the last half-decade, Nnamdi Asomugha has still established himself as one of the NFL best defenders.

If a guy has great ability, like Polamalu does, he is going to make big plays. No matter who he plays for. Will playing with better players make him a better player? Sure.

However, his being a great player will also make the others around him better. Whitner doesn't do that.

[justasportsfan]

Randy Moss made game-changing plays in Oakland his first year, until he got injured.

In his second year he got fed up and quit trying, which doesn't reflect well on him but is a fact.

Are you suggesting Whitner isn't trying?
Whitner is trying. It's hard to catch a fish when they are making you fish with a paper clip.