How can anyone say we will be good or bad?

[Mitchell55]

11/22 players on our team our new. The old are Trent Edwards, Lynch, Evans, Stroud, Williams, Mitchell, Pos, Ellison, McGee, Whitner, and Scott. Schobel is comming from injury, Butler is at a new position, and McKelvin is comming in for Greer. Also the old are pretty good. Trent was top 10 in CPT last year, Lynch made the pro bowl, Evans is a very good WR, Stroud was a PB alternate, Mitchell is decent, Pos was our DMVP last year, McGee did a good job vs Moss last year, Whitner is decent, and Scott is solid. You can talk about the OL but in reality it isnt that shuffled anymore. The only player making a position change is Butler and thats to a position he played in college.

On D we have 2 former pro bowlers, a player who had 2 sacks and a FF in preseason, and a solid DT and McCargo who was a 1st round pick and is finally healthy. Our LBs are decent with us needing to find a replacement for Ellison but he did have a decent preseason. Our secondary should be fine though.


What im saying is with this many changes, we are almost a new team and the players that are still there from last year were pretty good. You dont know what to expect from this team. We could be like Miami last year where all the changes pay off, or we could be like Oakland, a team that makes alot of moves but doesnt go anywhere.

[malo]

The Bills were 7-9 last year.

On offense, Owens is an upgrade. The OL took a huge downgrade. Lynch out first 3 games. At a very generous best it's a push. Realistically it's not at all, rather the entire unit took huge steps back. Plus they have a whole new idiotic no huddle and a OC who was just fired.

On defense, swap in McKelvin for Greer. That's it. The D wasn't that good last year. McKelvin alone isn't going to make it better.

Start with 7-9. The O gets worse and the d says the same. You end up with...

[sdbillsfan2]

Look no farther then the coach. There's your answer! He's got a terrible resume.


I'm not sure if any coach out there today has a worse record. Maybe Marvin Lewis ?

[Mitchell55]

The Bills were 7-9 last year.

On offense, Owens is an upgrade. The OL took a huge downgrade. Lynch out first 3 games. At a very generous best it's a push. Realistically it's not at all, rather the entire unit took huge steps back. Plus they have a whole new idiotic no huddle and a OC who was just fired.

On defense, swap in McKelvin for Greer. That's it. The D wasn't that good last year. McKelvin alone isn't going to make it better.

Start with 7-9. The O gets worse and the d says the same. You end up with...



We lost Peters who gave up the most sacks outside of Doc whos also gone. We lost Crowell who is out for the season in NO. We lost Greer but gained Florence and we still have Corner. Outside of that we have 2 top 2 round OLmen, a top TE in the draft, a HOF WR, a new OC, and a new Offense scheme. Maybin and Schobel make the Defense better than last year automatically and our OL sucked last year anyways and we still have no idea what it will be. Realy, how can you think that our OL will be good or bad?

[MassEffect218435]

4-12

[more cowbell]

1. Russ Brandon is a PR man, not a football man....somehow he is the GM
2. Dick Jauron is the coach
3. Our "offensive coorindator" is being thrown into the fire
4. Our offensive line has 3 starters on it who have never started in the NFL
5. Behind the inexperienced line we have a young indecisive QB
6. Our starting RB is out for the first 3 games, and we cut Rhodes
7. This roster, on paper, is worse than last year...we went 7-9 last year
8. This roster, in pre season, looked clueless on the field
9. This team, and coaching staff has done nothing of relevance
10. Until they start winning, there is no reason for optimisim

[more cowbell]

oh yeah...and chris kelsay, keith ellison, derek schouman, and demetrius bell all START

[billsTOfan]

TO instantly makes our Offense better, regardless of the Oline. The O line was terrible last year too. Add Owens, it improves the team.

TO effects. LYNCH and EVANS big time. Lee will no longer be doubled. Lynch will no longer have 8 in box attacking him.

And the AVP Moe is a question mark, Could improve things for Trent, we will see.

BOTTOMLINE... THE OFFENSE IS DEFINITELY IMPROVED

[Lexwhat]

To say it simply:

-- In regards to our young players, I like many of the moves we made (although not all of them). These moves will pay off in future seasons, but probably will not be enough this season.


-- Our schedule this season is brutal. We play the Pats (x2), Panthers, Saints, Titans, Falcons, and Colts. It is unlikely that we are going to sweep the Dolphins and the Jets (more than likely we will split with those 2 teams).

Thus, I don't see us reaching 10 wins -- which is what it'll probably take to secure a Wild Card.

[OpIv37]

11/22 players on our team our new. The old are Trent Edwards, Lynch, Evans, Stroud, Williams, Mitchell, Pos, Ellison, McGee, Whitner, and Scott. Schobel is comming from injury, Butler is at a new position, and McKelvin is comming in for Greer. Also the old are pretty good. Trent was top 10 in CPT last year, Lynch made the pro bowl, Evans is a very good WR, Stroud was a PB alternate, Mitchell is decent, Pos was our DMVP last year, McGee did a good job vs Moss last year, Whitner is decent, and Scott is solid. You can talk about the OL but in reality it isnt that shuffled anymore. The only player making a position change is Butler and thats to a position he played in college.

On D we have 2 former pro bowlers, a player who had 2 sacks and a FF in preseason, and a solid DT and McCargo who was a 1st round pick and is finally healthy. Our LBs are decent with us needing to find a replacement for Ellison but he did have a decent preseason. Our secondary should be fine though.


What im saying is with this many changes, we are almost a new team and the players that are still there from last year were pretty good. You dont know what to expect from this team. We could be like Miami last year where all the changes pay off, or we could be like Oakland, a team that makes alot of moves but doesnt go anywhere.

First, you need to learn how to count. Our only changes on D are McKelvin- who played last year- and Maybin, who isn't even starting. That means 1/11 starters are different. On O, there are 5 new players (4 on the OL), 2 of whom are rookies and one of whom hasn't played in the NFL before. So, 6/22 are different. If you count Butler in a new position, it's 7/22. There is no way to argue that 11/22 are different.

Second, the team sucked in pre-season. Everyone says preseason doesn't matter, yet the Bills have looked remarkably similar in both the regular season and pre-season.

Third, we were 7-9 last year. Do you honestly think that 2 rookie offensive linemen, an undersized DE and TO are enough to get us over the hurdle into the playoffs? That's just naive.

Fourth, our OC will only have 10 days in his position when the season starts.

Fifth, our ENTIRE OL is new and inexperienced. That is NOT a good thing. Granted, the line sucked last year, but replacing the guys who sucked with guys who have never played in the NFL before is not a guarantee for success. Most people would actually say it's a recipe for disaster.

Finally, Jauron is still the head coach and he's a career loser.

No one knows what will happen for sure. But the chances of a bunch of guys who have never won **** combined with a bunch of guys with no experience suddenly resulting in a good team are slim to none.

[billsTOfan]

We will do it. CAPTAIN COMEBACK WILL LEAD WAY(Trent)

[OpIv37]

We will do it. CAPTAIN COMEBACK WILL LEAD WAY(Trent)

Trent is Captain Checkdown, not Captain Comeback.

[Nighthawk]

11/22 players on our team our new. The old are Trent Edwards, Lynch, Evans, Stroud, Williams, Mitchell, Pos, Ellison, McGee, Whitner, and Scott. Schobel is comming from injury, Butler is at a new position, and McKelvin is comming in for Greer. Also the old are pretty good. Trent was top 10 in CPT last year, Lynch made the pro bowl, Evans is a very good WR, Stroud was a PB alternate, Mitchell is decent, Pos was our DMVP last year, McGee did a good job vs Moss last year, Whitner is decent, and Scott is solid. You can talk about the OL but in reality it isnt that shuffled anymore. The only player making a position change is Butler and thats to a position he played in college.

On D we have 2 former pro bowlers, a player who had 2 sacks and a FF in preseason, and a solid DT and McCargo who was a 1st round pick and is finally healthy. Our LBs are decent with us needing to find a replacement for Ellison but he did have a decent preseason. Our secondary should be fine though.


What im saying is with this many changes, we are almost a new team and the players that are still there from last year were pretty good. You dont know what to expect from this team. We could be like Miami last year where all the changes pay off, or we could be like Oakland, a team that makes alot of moves but doesnt go anywhere.

Two words...Dick Jauron!

[Mitchell55]

First, you need to learn how to count. Our only changes on D are McKelvin- who played last year- and Maybin, who isn't even starting. That means 1/11 starters are different. On O, there are 5 new players (4 on the OL), 2 of whom are rookies and one of whom hasn't played in the NFL before. So, 6/22 are different. If you count Butler in a new position, it's 7/22. There is no way to argue that 11/22 are different.

Second, the team sucked in pre-season. Everyone says preseason doesn't matter, yet the Bills have looked remarkably similar in both the regular season and pre-season.

Third, we were 7-9 last year. Do you honestly think that 2 rookie offensive linemen, an undersized DE and TO are enough to get us over the hurdle into the playoffs? That's just naive.

Fourth, our OC will only have 10 days in his position when the season starts.

Fifth, our ENTIRE OL is new and inexperienced. That is NOT a good thing. Granted, the line sucked last year, but replacing the guys who sucked with guys who have never played in the NFL before is not a guarantee for success. Most people would actually say it's a recipe for disaster.

Finally, Jauron is still the head coach and he's a career loser.

No one knows what will happen for sure. But the chances of a bunch of guys who have never won **** combined with a bunch of guys with no experience suddenly resulting in a good team are slim to none.




Realy preseason matters. We killed the Pittsburgh starters last year in preseason and where did it get us.

[Mitchell55]

Trent is Captain Checkdown, not Captain Comeback.



Our OC made him captain checkdown.

[mybills]

Mitch, I only read the title of this thread, and I only have two words.

THEY CAN'T.

[trapezeus]

ok, so some of us can tell now...and some of you will wait til week 4...in the end we'll all want jauron gone by week 5. agreed?

[OpIv37]

Realy preseason matters. We killed the Pittsburgh starters last year in preseason and where did it get us.

teams don't get magically better or magically worse. Every year we suck in preseason and you homers say "preseason doesn't matter." But then when the real season starts, the team looks pretty much EXACTLY like they looked in preseason. Overall results don't matter in preseason, performance by the starters does. You can try to convince yourself that it doesn't, but reality will hit you on Monday night.

[Mitchell55]

teams don't get magically better or magically worse. Every year we suck in preseason and you homers say "preseason doesn't matter." But then when the real season starts, the team looks pretty much EXACTLY like they looked in preseason. Overall results don't matter in preseason, performance by the starters does. You can try to convince yourself that it doesn't, but reality will hit you on Monday night.




This has no relevance to what I just said

[OpIv37]

This has no relevance to what I just said

because, as usual, nothing you said has any relevance to anything.

You take one example- one exception to the rule- and use it as proof that the Bills will do what you want them to do. You never acknowledge that your example is a rarity and is completely disconnected from the Bills' current situation

All of your posts wreak of this effort to convince yourself that everything is going to be ok with this team, but I think somewhere deep inside you know that the people like me are right. It sucks, but it's reality, so you might as well start dealing with it.

[jamze132]

I am going to being this douche of a homer thread back in a couple of weeks when Mitchell loses it...

[Billz_fan]

One things for sure. This whole thing is about to play out in front of us.

For the record we are going nowhere near the playoffs and Ralph himself said he expects it this year. Dick and company have had more than enough time to show what they can do. They have done nothing to improve this team. If anything it's been status quo year after year. New faces same results.

All the optimism in the world is not gonna bring these guys to the playoffs and when it's all said and done getting in the playoffs is all that matters. I could coach the team and not make the playoffs. In my mind that makes me as good as Dick. LOL

[malo]

We lost Peters who gave up the most sacks outside of Doc whos also gone. We lost Crowell who is out for the season in NO. We lost Greer but gained Florence and we still have Corner. Outside of that we have 2 top 2 round OLmen, a top TE in the draft, a HOF WR, a new OC, and a new Offense scheme. Maybin and Schobel make the Defense better than last year automatically and our OL sucked last year anyways and we still have no idea what it will be. Realy, how can you think that our OL will be good or bad?

We lost Peters. Did we replace him with anyone better?

We lost Doc. Did we replace him with anyone better?

[SABURZFAN]

Mitch, just listen to SABURZFAN and you'll be right 99.9% of the time. the 0.1% is just giving myself a little leeway. :up:

[ddaryl]

All I will say is we are older and this is not our 1st rodeo

We are football junkies and we've studied the game more then you Mitch.

It doesn't mean we are right, but it does mean we can recognize familiar patterns

We know what we saw last year and the year before. We know what we saw in preseason, and we know that a huge changes on the OL meas growing pans. As does staring multiple rookies


We have a few pieces that might surprise and give us a boost, but if we start giving up the 3rd and longs, average 2.7 yds per carry and Trent has a very low success rate when throwing the ball more then 10 yds well then that is exactly what we have seen , been seeing and are hoping NOT to see starting Monday.

There just wasn't much that told many of us that things were different