Safe to blame Jauron.

[HHURRICANE]

I think when a pattern starts to develop it's safe to blame the coach:

Schobel did express concern that the Bills continue to struggle to seal victories. They lost 29-27 to Cleveland on a Monday night last season on Phil Dawson's 56-yard field goal with 1:39 left. Two years ago on a Monday night, Buffalo gave up 9 points in the final 20 seconds in a 25-24 loss to Dallas.

"The bottom line is when you have a chance to win the game, win the game. We didn't do that," he said. "It's a long season and we're going to be all right. We've just got to get on a roll."

If Jauron doesn't pull out a miracle in the next 5 weeks I think we should fire him.

[nateodoms'bff]

I think when a pattern starts to develop it's safe to blame the coach:

Schobel did express concern that the Bills continue to struggle to seal victories. They lost 29-27 to Cleveland on a Monday night last season on Phil Dawson's 56-yard field goal with 1:39 left. Two years ago on a Monday night, Buffalo gave up 9 points in the final 20 seconds in a 25-24 loss to Dallas.

"The bottom line is when you have a chance to win the game, win the game. We didn't do that," he said. "It's a long season and we're going to be all right. We've just got to get on a roll."

If Jauron doesn't pull out a miracle in the next 5 weeks I think we should fire him.

And replace him with who? Fewell? AVP? April? Who? You want the FO to go out and sign Cowher or Gruden in the middle of a season? What constitutes a miracle? Playing tough against an Elite team in the NFL for 3.5 quarters? Putting the players in a position all game to win?

I dont think you really understand what a Head Coach does, nor do I think you really have a clue about the Bills or what they are trying to achieve. I would love to hear your thoughts on what they should do after your five week miracle deadline...

[trapezeus]

i am just perplexed that people can say jauron's performance last monday was good. 3.5 quarters of good football? How many other crap coaches would still have jobs if their teams said, "just give it a good effort." We want wins. jauron shouldn't be here already. He should have been gone last year.

The NE game showed us that the bills have more raw talent, but no leadership to mold it correctly and put the final touches of athletic but undisciplined. A well coached team would not consistently get outplayed by either a huge margin or slim margin week to week in the second half. The minute the teams go to the lockerroom for halftime, you know the bills aren't adapting enough to what they've already seen and what they can expect to see. This is the most constant annoying trait of the last 3 years.

As for firing Jauron now, i agree, it just proves that the FO/owner got the decision wrong earlier. However, holding the status quo as teh team has shown it can be atheltic enough to compete may be enough to squeak out some wins where jauron would normally take them to a loss.
And to do it with an interim coach would probably put the bills in position to discuss with the big hitters we are so desperately craving for in coaching.

As opposed to how they currently fire coaches at the end of a season, let the other teams pick the best ones first, and then roll out a no name rookie HC or a retread that has no business being on an NFL sideline in a HC capacity.

[Oldbillsfan]

And replace him with who? Fewell? AVP? April? Who? You want the FO to go out and sign Cowher or Gruden in the middle of a season? What constitutes a miracle? Playing tough against an Elite team in the NFL for 3.5 quarters? Putting the players in a position all game to win?

I dont think you really understand what a Head Coach does, nor do I think you really have a clue about the Bills or what they are trying to achieve. I would love to hear your thoughts on what they should do after your five week miracle deadline...

Well should a Pop warner offense and a prevent defense be hard to replace? Give me a break... Its not hard to replace the worst coach in the NFL. Go out and sign someone with a history of winning.

[nateodoms'bff]

Its an easy fix to replace Jauron. The problem isn't with him, for this loss anyway. The coaching staff put together a game plan and for 3.5 quarters, the Bills executed it perfectly. The switch to the prevent defense, was ill timed, but the idea was to keep the clock running, and try and force a turnover. I get it, but at the end of the day, the players on the field had to execute. If Poz was on the field, those two TD's to Watson, don't happen. He was all over the place before he got injured. So again, it falls on the players to execute. Trent put the ball in the hands of his receivers, and they all dropped at least one. Thats not Jauron, that's the players failing to execute.

Was it Jauron's fault that his starting LT got called for 3 drive killing penalties? I'm sure you will say yes, but in reality it was all on Bell. Was it Jauron's fault that the refs were giving away first downs to the Pats all night? No, but I'm sure you will all find a way to blame him.

Is Dick Jauron the long term answer here? Probably not. But he and the Front Office have put together a solid team that can compete in the division. How the players execute is up to them for 60 minutes every Sunday.

[nateodoms'bff]

Well should a Pop warner offense and a prevent defense be hard to replace? Give me a break... Its not hard to replace the worst coach in the NFL. Go out and sign someone with a history of winning.

Right. Clever. A Pop Warner offense that worked perfectly against one of the greatest football minds in the history of the game.

If you want to bash the coaching staff, come with something that actually makes sense.

[Nighthawk]

That defensive gameplan was not a good one. The Pats happened to be rusty and off...that is the only reason I see as to why that game was so close. The Pats went up and down the field on the Bills, the Bills did nothing to stop them, they stopped themselves. Schobel had the nice pick and played well, but other then him, I didn't see too many plays made, nor the coaches putting them in position to make plays. I just don't understand what some people watched on Monday night, but to me, that sure as hell wasn't a good defensive effort. Since when did giving up 441 yards and allowing Brady to throw for 380 yards become acceptable and considered a good day defensively? Is this how low Bills fans expectations have fallen?

[The Juice Is Loose]

i am just perplexed that people can say jauron's performance last monday was good. 3.5 quarters of good football? How many other crap coaches would still have jobs if their teams said, "just give it a good effort." We want wins. jauron shouldn't be here already. He should have been gone last year.

The NE game showed us that the bills have more raw talent, but no leadership to mold it correctly and put the final touches of athletic but undisciplined. A well coached team would not consistently get outplayed by either a huge margin or slim margin week to week in the second half. The minute the teams go to the lockerroom for halftime, you know the bills aren't adapting enough to what they've already seen and what they can expect to see. This is the most constant annoying trait of the last 3 years.

As for firing Jauron now, i agree, it just proves that the FO/owner got the decision wrong earlier. However, holding the status quo as teh team has shown it can be atheltic enough to compete may be enough to squeak out some wins where jauron would normally take them to a loss.
And to do it with an interim coach would probably put the bills in position to discuss with the big hitters we are so desperately craving for in coaching.

As opposed to how they currently fire coaches at the end of a season, let the other teams pick the best ones first, and then roll out a no name rookie HC or a retread that has no business being on an NFL sideline in a HC capacity.

16 teams lost pal.

we've drafted after 10 teams every year at least.

should 16 coaches get fired every week they lose?

you guys are [insert tos violation here]holes.

[ddaryl]

And replace him with who? Fewell? AVP? April? Who? You want the FO to go out and sign Cowher or Gruden in the middle of a season? What constitutes a miracle? Playing tough against an Elite team in the NFL for 3.5 quarters? Putting the players in a position all game to win?

I dont think you really understand what a Head Coach does, nor do I think you really have a clue about the Bills or what they are trying to achieve. I would love to hear your thoughts on what they should do after your five week miracle deadline...


I honestly don't care how or why we do it at this point or the efffect it wil have on this seaosn. I just want Jauwrong gone and Fewell. Neither have what it takes to take us the distance

There is a pattern here of game and season collapses, and it is consistent

The schemes and the way this team is coached is the problem.. not the execution. Nobody is going to execute a trunover with 10 yard cushions on the WR's and that was happening in both the 1st half and the 2nd half. Brady struggled in the 1st half and was rusty but once he shook off the rust we had no answers, and our coaches made no adjustments yet once again.

Stop protecting jauwrong there is no argument for him. he needs to go.


Gruden makes the best short term decision because of his familiarity with our D

but anyone who has playoff and a Superbowl under there belt would be welcomed with open arms... the sooner the better

[Nighthawk]

16 teams lost pal.

we've drafted after 10 teams every year at least.

should 16 coaches get fired every week they lose?

you guys are [insert tos violation here]holes.

Enjoy your last couple days on this board! Grow up!

[The Juice Is Loose]

That defensive gameplan was not a good one. The Pats happened to be rusty and off...that is the only reason I see as to why that game was so close. The Pats went up and down the field on the Bills, the Bills did nothing to stop them, they stopped themselves. Schobel had the nice pick and played well, but other then him, I didn't see too many plays made, nor the coaches putting them in position to make plays. I just don't understand what some people watched on Monday night, but to me, that sure as hell wasn't a good defensive effort. Since when did giving up 441 yards and allowing Brady to throw for 380 yards become acceptable and considered a good day defensively? Is this how low Bills fans expectations have fallen?

your just blindly negative. ignorant. and obnoxious.

[The Juice Is Loose]

Enjoy your last couple days on this board! Grow up!

oh man. yeah. so after i unplug my modem and i'm back in 2 minutes with a different name I can come watch grownups like you who literally spend all day on a message board trashing the team their supposedly fans of.

the thing is, if you were a "grown up", you'd be off doing somethign better than what your doing. you dont' even make points you just drop negative, button pushing, one liners.

niightcawk, i seriously want you to knwo that nothing you says effects me in any way. i'm sure your in your parents basement just typing away and downloading porn as we speak. just keep my name out of your mouth because yoru wasting your wacking time talking about me when i dont' care.

[nateodoms'bff]

That defensive gameplan was not a good one. The Pats happened to be rusty and off...that is the only reason I see as to why that game was so close. The Pats went up and down the field on the Bills, the Bills did nothing to stop them, they stopped themselves. Schobel had the nice pick and played well, but other then him, I didn't see too many plays made, nor the coaches putting them in position to make plays. I just don't understand what some people watched on Monday night, but to me, that sure as hell wasn't a good defensive effort. Since when did giving up 441 yards and allowing Brady to throw for 380 yards become acceptable and considered a good day defensively? Is this how low Bills fans expectations have fallen?

Well, some of us like to look at an entire game and see how it played out, as opposed to looking at total yards as a barometer for how the defense played.

Considering the Bills took away the run game from New England, I'd say that part of the plan worked well. Forcing a rusty Tom Brady to throw the ball 53 times, is not bad. They gave nothing to Welker and Moss except for yards, which didn't translate into TD's for either. They scored 14 of their 25 points on two scores in 76 seconds. Both on the same play to the same player. The Bills safeties got caught out of position, and Brady exposed them. It happened so quickly, the defense barely had a chance to catch their breath. So to say that they executed poorly, I feel is an overstatement. They played deep on Welker all night to prevent the big play that always burns them. I guarantee we wont see that same defense played against teams with less talented receivers.

Before you blame the coaches, understand that they make a living coaching football, and we don't. They obviously have a better idea of how to beat the Patriots than we do. I think its safe to say that the game would have been won, had it not been for McKelvin's fumble. Would you still be calling for his head and saying how poorly the defense played?

[Nighthawk]

Well, some of us like to look at an entire game and see how it played out, as opposed to looking at total yards as a barometer for how the defense played.

Considering the Bills took away the run game from New England, I'd say that part of the plan worked well. Forcing a rusty Tom Brady to throw the ball 53 times, is not bad. They gave nothing to Welker and Moss except for yards, which didn't translate into TD's for either. They scored 14 of their 25 points on two scores in 76 seconds. Both on the same play to the same player. The Bills safeties got caught out of position, and Brady exposed them. It happened so quickly, the defense barely had a chance to catch their breath. So to say that they executed poorly, I feel is an overstatement. They played deep on Welker all night to prevent the big play that always burns them. I guarantee we wont see that same defense played against teams with less talented receivers.

Before you blame the coaches, understand that they make a living coaching football, and we don't. They obviously have a better idea of how to beat the Patriots than we do. I think its safe to say that the game would have been won, had it not been for McKelvin's fumble. Would you still be calling for his head and saying how poorly the defense played?

If you watched the game, as you say, then you would know that the defense was poor for most of the game. They couldn't get off the field...they rarely pressured Brady and were thrown on at will. If you honestly have faith in this coaching staff, then I don't know what to tell you. All I know is that you will be pretty upset when they blow another game in a few weeks, it will happen, it always does.

[Nighthawk]

Well, some of us like to look at an entire game and see how it played out, as opposed to looking at total yards as a barometer for how the defense played.

Considering the Bills took away the run game from New England, I'd say that part of the plan worked well. Forcing a rusty Tom Brady to throw the ball 53 times, is not bad. They gave nothing to Welker and Moss except for yards, which didn't translate into TD's for either. They scored 14 of their 25 points on two scores in 76 seconds. Both on the same play to the same player. The Bills safeties got caught out of position, and Brady exposed them. It happened so quickly, the defense barely had a chance to catch their breath. So to say that they executed poorly, I feel is an overstatement. They played deep on Welker all night to prevent the big play that always burns them. I guarantee we wont see that same defense played against teams with less talented receivers.

Before you blame the coaches, understand that they make a living coaching football, and we don't. They obviously have a better idea of how to beat the Patriots than we do. I think its safe to say that the game would have been won, had it not been for McKelvin's fumble. Would you still be calling for his head and saying how poorly the defense played?

Yes, go read the gameday thread...I was not happy with the defensive play for most of the game.

[The Juice Is Loose]

Yes, go read the gameday thread...I was not happy with the defensive play for most of the game.

he's not happy with anything, ever. ignore him.

[Nighthawk]

he's not happy with anything, ever. ignore him.

Yet again, Juice doesn't know what he's talking about. Go figure!

[paladin warrior]

Yeah you are right.. Fire DICKHEAD.J And bring Brain Billick or Mike.S :nod:.. Pls Ralph who care about the money. Dont be so cheap Ralph.

[trapezeus]

Was it Jauron's fault that his starting LT got called for 3 drive killing penalties?

In an offense that has been simplified to a couple sets, why your rookie doesn't know to get on the line the first time is a bit odd. for him to make the same mistake is a sign of poor coaching.

[Commissioner]

I think when a pattern starts to develop it's safe to blame the coach:

Schobel did express concern that the Bills continue to struggle to seal victories. They lost 29-27 to Cleveland on a Monday night last season on Phil Dawson's 56-yard field goal with 1:39 left. Two years ago on a Monday night, Buffalo gave up 9 points in the final 20 seconds in a 25-24 loss to Dallas.

"The bottom line is when you have a chance to win the game, win the game. We didn't do that," he said. "It's a long season and we're going to be all right. We've just got to get on a roll."

If Jauron doesn't pull out a miracle in the next 5 weeks I think we should fire him.

Victory would have been sealed if someone didn't fumble.

I can't place this loss on Jauron. He did come up with the gameplan that would of led us to victory, if someone hadn't fumbled.

[The Juice Is Loose]

In an offense that has been simplified to a couple sets, why your rookie doesn't know to get on the line the first time is a bit odd. for him to make the same mistake is a sign of poor coaching.

dude do you honestly not think those were BS calls? LT's do that all the time and I personally watched NE's do it repeatedly. It was New England Flags like always.

He got screwed. And on the hold, once in a while your going to get beat. he made the right choice to hold rather than let Trent get hammered on.

[yordad]

Right. Clever. A Pop Warner offense that worked perfectly against one of the greatest football minds in the history of the game.

If you want to bash the coaching staff, come with something that actually makes sense.They scored 17 points against an average D. Oh, and lost. Nothing worked perfectly about that.

[jamze132]

That defensive gameplan was not a good one. The Pats happened to be rusty and off...that is the only reason I see as to why that game was so close. The Pats went up and down the field on the Bills, the Bills did nothing to stop them, they stopped themselves. Schobel had the nice pick and played well, but other then him, I didn't see too many plays made, nor the coaches putting them in position to make plays. I just don't understand what some people watched on Monday night, but to me, that sure as hell wasn't a good defensive effort. Since when did giving up 441 yards and allowing Brady to throw for 380 yards become acceptable and considered a good day defensively? Is this how low Bills fans expectations have fallen?
I couldn't agree more, well said.

:bf1:


I don't know what people saw Monday night but if we look like we did for 15 more games, we will not win one of them.

[homeslice5484]

I blame Jauron for having Ellison cover the TE on the game winning drives instead of another safety or CB like Youboty. We knew they were passing...just like we didnt protect the sidelines against Dallas.

Yes Fewell calls the plays but Jauron also hears them.

[trapezeus]

dude do you honestly not think those were BS calls? LT's do that all the time and I personally watched NE's do it repeatedly. It was New England Flags like always.

He got screwed. And on the hold, once in a while your going to get beat. he made the right choice to hold rather than let Trent get hammered on.

BS call? he had a TE on his left in a 3 point stance. you can't be of the line. he was in the exact same position twice.

The refs hand the pats games fairly routinely, howver, i felt this one was one of hte more fair contests. I also thought the bills had made a couple mistakes but it shouldn't have caused them to lose.

I don't know. i'm just annoyed that we didn't come out with a W. And i blame the coaches because this type of loss isn't a random occurence. with them, we routinely get these kind of decent games that they can't close out.

[GreedoII]

Victory would have been sealed if someone didn't fumble.

I can't place this loss on Jauron. He did come up with the gameplan that would of led us to victory, if someone hadn't fumbled.

Jauron is an idiot and has been since he got here. His philosophy hasn't worked and won't work ever. So stop with the Jauron should not be blamed for anything crap. The guy is a born loser and needs to get his sorry ass out of dodge. His D is outdated and run by a clueless moron in Fewell. There is no accountability on this team and they are soft as a baby's tush. He stares into space and claps like he's coaching 5 yr old tee ball players and he treats these loser for players as such. I'm tired of this ass. 3 yrs of 7-9 usually gets you fired in this league. Not here. Drop dead already Ralph you old senile codger.
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[HHURRICANE]

The guy at the top is supposed to get the blame. If my employess don't perfrom it's may ass. If they make the same mistakes over and over than I'm hiring or recruiting the wrong people.

Maybe Mckelvin shouldn't be in a Bills uniform. Jauron drafted him after Bellichek passed on him. What does that tell you?

Jauron said that he didn't blame McKelvin. So it's no one's fault that we lost the game. How convenient is that?

[The Juice Is Loose]

The guy at the top is supposed to get the blame. If my employess don't perfrom it's may ass. If they make the same mistakes over and over than I'm hiring or recruiting the wrong people.

Maybe Mckelvin shouldn't be in a Bills uniform. Jauron drafted him after Bellichek passed on him. What does that tell you?

Jauron said that he didn't blame McKelvin. So it's no one's fault that we lost the game. How convenient is that?

If your employees don't perform I bet it's because your on Billszone.com 24 hrs a day.