Thank goodness we drafted Maybin!

[HHURRICANE]

That's working out really well.

He's definately not too small and the 25 million that we gave him is really going to be a good move.

I beleive that Mario Williams actually was on the field his first year as as a 1st round draft pick so maybe we could stop with the comparisons. Thanks.

[HHURRICANE]

We used our 1st round pick on a guy that will have zero impact this year until he puts on another 20 pounds.

Aren't you supposed to draft projects in the 6th round?

[RockStar36]

That's working out really well.

He's definately not too small and the 25 million that we gave him is really going to be a good move.

I beleive that Mario Williams actually was on the field his first year as as a 1st round draft pick so maybe we could stop with the comparisons. Thanks.

You just nailed it. He was on the field. Maybin doesn't see the field very often because suckbag Kelsay gets to start.

[DraftBoy]

3 games...3 total games...

Wow...

[BillsWin]

awful thread HH! Why do you have to add another reason for me to be depressed???

[BillsWin]

although it has only been three games. Lets put the breaks on the Maybin hate train.

[HHURRICANE]

You just nailed it. He was on the field. Maybin doesn't see the field very often because suckbag Kelsay gets to start.

Sadly I don't think Maybin is even good enough to be on the field. The little I've seen of him has been very, very disappointing. His size is definately an issue.

[justasportsfan]

Maybin got owned against the run vs. the saints. It was his weakness in college, its more evident in the NFL.

[Mr. Pink]

He'll continue to get owned on running plays until he bulks up.

Problem with bulking up is he might lose some of his pass rush speed.

We drafted a classic "tweener."

And most tweeners never amount to much in the NFL.

[HHURRICANE]

3 games...3 total games...

Wow...


Is it wrong of me to think the 11th pick in the 2009 draft should have some kind of immediate impact on the team??

[justasportsfan]

He'll continue to get owned on running plays until he bulks up.

Problem with bulking up is he might lose some of his pass rush speed.

We drafted a classic "tweener."

And most tweeners never amount to much in the NFL.
He should be moved to Lb.

[DraftBoy]

Is it wrong of me to thing the 11th pick in the 2009 draft should have some kind of immediate impact on the team??

Should he have an impact? Yes, should it be immediate? Could be, May not be depends on to many variable. Is it wrong to think he should make an impact? No not at all, however to judge him after less than a 1/4 of a season is completely wrong.

[HHURRICANE]

The funny part is that I forgot he was on our team.

[psubills62]

Can we here at BZ draft someone to replace HH?

[HHURRICANE]

Should he have an impact? Yes, should it be immediate? Could be, May not be depends on to many variable. Is it wrong to think he should make an impact? No not at all, however to judge him after less than a 1/4 of a season is completely wrong.


We used our 11th pick in the drat on a guy that has one tackle.

[HHURRICANE]

Can we here at BZ draft someone to replace HH?

I love how no one wants to deal with reality here. 1 tackle from the 11th pick in the draft.

[bigbub2352]

HH
i will say this
Maybin to me seems way better suited to play OLB in the 3-4 and this would go to another thread i wrote that got bashed about our mismangement
we draft players that dont fit the scheme we are trying to run
if we were a 3-4 D

Schobel at LDE
Stroud at NT
Williams/Spencer Johnson RDE
OLB Maybin
OLB FA/passrush specialist
ILB Mitchell
ILB Poz
sure fits better than what we are trying to do in my opinion
Maybin neeeds time i think to adjust to being double teamed cause they sure arent gonna double team Kelsay or Denney or Spencer Johnson

[Luisito23]

He should be moved to Lb.




That would be the smart thing to do, thus it won't happen. :poop:

[HHURRICANE]

HH
i will say this
Maybin to me seems way better suited to play OLB in the 3-4 and this would go to another thread i wrote that got bashed about our mismangement
we draft players that dont fit the scheme we are trying to run
if we were a 3-4 D

Schobel at LDE
Stroud at NT
Williams/Spencer Johnson RDE
OLB Maybin
OLB FA/passrush specialist
ILB Mitchell
ILB Poz
sure fits better than what we are trying to do in my opinion
Maybin neeeds time i think to adjust to being double teamed cause they sure arent gonna double team Kelsay or Denney or Spencer Johnson


Awesome post!!!!!!!!!! Couldn't agree more.

FYI, I wanted Orakpo like many here and he has a sack and has played more.

[trapezeus]

can we put maybin as LB for ellison buggs? and then rotate him down in bizarre packages?

As it is right now, he's invisible. Which we knew was going to be the case, but the defense really only added him as our big change, and he isn't much...now the defense is getting weaker with injuries.

I think it makes sense to take a scrub LB out, put ellis in and push maybin to LB. That might shore up that middle passing area. I think he could cover a TE.

[psubills62]

I love how no one wants to deal with reality here. 1 tackle from the 11th pick in the draft.

He was raw to begin with and missed a ton of training camp. What did you expect? If Whitner can get 3 or 4 years, then Maybin should at least be able to make it past 3 games without getting killed.

[HHURRICANE]

awful thread HH! Why do you have to add another reason for me to be depressed???

I love you man but it's hard to take you too seriously on this thread when you have a naked Maybin as your avatar!!!

[DraftBoy]

We used our 11th pick in the drat on a guy that has one tackle.
3 games

[bigbub2352]

Awesome post!!!!!!!!!! Couldn't agree more.

FYI, I wanted Orakpo like many here and he has a sack and has played more.
i thought we were gonna take another DB and let McGee walk that is more our style
I wanted another DLine man in the 2nd round instead of another S
we had 5 already on the roster and could have gotten a saftey anywhere in the draft to replace Ko
Just saying you go after OLine and DLine in the 2nd round when it is as top heavy as this draft was in the trenchs
we didnt need to draft Byrd im not saying i dont like him at all
but our pass rush is killing us

[psubills62]

Awesome post!!!!!!!!!! Couldn't agree more.

FYI, I wanted Orakpo like many here and he has a sack and has played more.
Haha, he's a freaking starter at the LB position and only has 6 tackles? A linebacker on pace for 32 tackles in the season, nice. Keith Ellison already has 36. Oh and btw, that sack came against Detroit...I could be wrong, but didn't Maybin get a sack in preseason against the same team? Hm, interesting.

[HHURRICANE]

awful thread HH! Why do you have to add another reason for me to be depressed???

You realize I can't take you seriously in this thread because you have a naked Maybin as your avatar.:crack:

[HHURRICANE]

Haha, he's a freaking starter at the LB position and only has 6 tackles? A linebacker on pace for 32 tackles in the season, nice. Keith Ellison already has 36. Oh and btw, that sack came against Detroit...I could be wrong, but didn't Maybin get a sack in preseason against the same team? Hm, interesting.

You're right. We have Buggs.

[justasportsfan]

You're right. We have Buggs.

backpedal after your Orakpo example got owned.

[psubills62]

You're right. We have Buggs.

What does that have to do with anything? Except for the fact that Buggs has more tackles than Orakpo too?

[bigbub2352]

What does that have to do with anything? Except for the fact that Buggs has more tackles than Orakpo too?
Buggs is not the answer at MLB folks and Orakapo mite be out of position if he is playing OLB he is the one DE that came out of the draft that was probably your best fit for a 4-3 DE in my opinion
either way
Buggs should be replaced immmediatly by Palmer or Harris let them learn on the fly keep buggs on ST

[DMBcrew36]

That's working out really well.

He's definately not too small and the 25 million that we gave him is really going to be a good move.

I beleive that Mario Williams actually was on the field his first year as as a 1st round draft pick so maybe we could stop with the comparisons. Thanks.

But HH, Maybin was AwEsOmE during pre-season!!! Doesn't that count for SOMETHING!?

:snicker:

[justasportsfan]

Buggs is not the answer at MLB folks and Orakapo mite be out of position if he is playing OLB he is the one DE that came out of the draft that was probably your best fit for a 4-3 DE in my opinion
either way
Buggs should be replaced immmediatly by Palmer or Harris let them learn on the fly keep buggs on ST
it could be argued that Maybin is also out of position.

HH was doing ok with the Maybin argument until he brought up Orakpo to make a comparisson.

[yordad]

You realize I can't take you seriously in this thread because you have a naked Maybin as your avatar.:crack:Is there an echo in here?

[psubills62]

Buggs is not the answer at MLB folks and Orakapo mite be out of position if he is playing OLB he is the one DE that came out of the draft that was probably your best fit for a 4-3 DE in my opinion
either way
Buggs should be replaced immmediatly by Palmer or Harris let them learn on the fly keep buggs on ST

Actually, imo Ayers was the best fit for a 4-3. I am in NO WAY saying that Buggs is the answer at MLB. I'm just making a point that first of all, tackles aren't everything, and second of all, Buggs and Orakpo aren't relevant to the discussion.

[psubills62]

But HH, Maybin was AwEsOmE during pre-season!!! Doesn't that count for SOMETHING!?

:snicker:

I thought most everyone on here agreed that wins and losses during preseason doesn't matter, but performance does?

I find it very funny that people use that argument when the team sucks during preseason, but if someone performs well in preseason...well, preseason doesn't matter!

LOL Besides, it does count for something. It shows the kid has potential, but he's still extremely raw and he missed a ton of training camp. How did you expect him to play?

[DMBcrew36]

I thought most everyone on here agreed that wins and losses during preseason doesn't matter, but performance does?

I find it very funny that people use that argument when the team sucks during preseason, but if someone performs well in preseason...well, preseason doesn't matter!

LOL Besides, it does count for something. It shows the kid has potential, but he's still extremely raw and he missed a ton of training camp. How did you expect him to play?

I'm just messing around. I haven't labeled the kid yet and won't consider it until next season. I do hope to see some good out of him this season, though.

[psubills62]

I'm just messing around. I haven't labeled the kid yet and won't consider it until next season. I do hope to see some good out of him this season, though.

I do too. I'm worried he may end up similar to Derrick Harvey, where he has little to no impact until a big game at the end of the season. We'll see, still 13 games to go.

[DMBcrew36]

I do too. I'm worried he may end up similar to Derrick Harvey, where he has little to no impact until a big game at the end of the season. We'll see, still 13 games to go.

Well, Mario Williams only had 4.5 sacks in his first season for Houston.

[PECKERWOOD]

He could definitely benefit from adding a spin move and a bull rush to his arsenal of pass rushes, all I've seen from him is his speed rush off the edge, very predictable, at this point Kelsay is a better DE all around.

[ParanoidAndroid]

You just nailed it. He was on the field. Maybin doesn't see the field very often because suckbag Kelsay gets to start.

Hmmm.... Kelsay actually played well.

"By game’s end Kelsay had eight total tackles to lead the defensive effort with a pair of tackles for loss to go with his sack and quarterback hit."

-bb.com

[ddaryl]

we drafted a project. Everyone knew that. I said we couldn't rerally afford a project... but we did anyway.

I wanted Orakpo or Oher at #11 or at least a trade back to get Orakpo or Oher

but I only hope he developes, no reason to cry over spilt milk at this point, not going to change the fact he is a Bill, and it really doesn't change the fact that the Bills are 1-2 because we are 1-2 due to coaching not players at this point.

[SquishDaFish]

The funny part is that I forgot he was on our team.

Funny thing is I thought you jumped off the wagon and went to another team but keep seeing threads ripping on someone from you. Go away then.

Maybin is young and behind our 2 starters at DE. IF our crap coach had him on the field more maybe the experience would be good for him and we would see some impact. Calm down on the hate 3 games into an NFL career jesus!

[bigbub2352]

Actually, imo Ayers was the best fit for a 4-3. I am in NO WAY saying that Buggs is the answer at MLB. I'm just making a point that first of all, tackles aren't everything, and second of all, Buggs and Orakpo aren't relevant to the discussion.
Some said Ayers some said orakapo u know how that goes with the so called experts i am in total agreeance with u about buggs and was just going off how he is our starting MLB over guys we drafted like harris or a player with a ton of potential in palmer
we are on the same page

[psubills62]

He could definitely benefit from adding a spin move and a bull rush to his arsenal of pass rushes, all I've seen from him is his speed rush off the edge, very predictable, at this point Kelsay is a better DE all around.

The thing is, I could have sworn I saw more moves from him in preseason. He held the edge very well on the sack against Roethlisberger. He didn't just speed rush every time and get taken out of the play.

I have a terrible feeling that Schobel, Kelsay and Denney are teaching him their old tricks of the trade...

[Mr. Pink]

He should be moved to Lb.


I'm gonna say that that's his likely destination.

But we drafted him to be a pass rusher, in our scheme, if he can't play End, he's useless and another wasted pick.

[The Juice Is Loose]

other than percy harvin, who would have no reason to be on our team, what first rounder is making an impact?

eric wood is one. fact is, this draft sucked. we should have just passed on picking like the vikings a few years ago. they still picked, and got it two spots later.

[The Juice Is Loose]

one great thing would be if our next coach, if we have a bad year that is, could move us to a 3-4 which would make me a happy camper.

maybin, i feel, is that prototype joey porter outside lb.

[HHURRICANE]

Look guys I hope Maybin turns into something but after 3 games he has been non-existant.

[Dr. Lecter]

I did not liek the pick at all, but to make any decision after three games is way premature.

[HHURRICANE]

I did not liek the pick at all, but to make any decision after three games is way premature.

Okay, let's do it your way. How many games does he get?

[Dr. Lecter]

lol!

If he had 4 sacks in the 3 games I would say the same thing.

I'll put it this way - he gets more than three.

You honestly do not think that 3 games is how you judge one's career, do you?

[HHURRICANE]

lol!

If he had 4 sacks in the 3 games I would say the same thing.

I'll put it this way - he gets more than three.

You honestly do not think that 3 games is how you judge one's career, do you?

How many games?

[Dr. Lecter]

You know what, I give up. You are right.

Cut him now.

You act like there is one magical answer. I already said I do not like the pick.


But saying three games is enough to make a decision on his career is foolish.

Look at last year's NFL Defensive Player of the Year. I am sure you remember Bruce Smith his rookie year. You remember him being benched for Don Smith? Rookie pass rushers often take a year or so to develop, especially those that missed most of camp.

[Ingtar33]

HH
i will say this
Maybin to me seems way better suited to play OLB in the 3-4 and this would go to another thread i wrote that got bashed about our mismangement
we draft players that dont fit the scheme we are trying to run
if we were a 3-4 D

Schobel at LDE
Stroud at NT
Williams/Spencer Johnson RDE
OLB Maybin
OLB FA/passrush specialist
ILB Mitchell
ILB Poz
sure fits better than what we are trying to do in my opinion
Maybin neeeds time i think to adjust to being double teamed cause they sure arent gonna double team Kelsay or Denney or Spencer Johnson


i've been a fan of swapping back to a 3-4 for a long time now... it's a cheaper defense to run then the 4-3 in the salary cap era.. and when run right is a pretty impressive defense.

however... you've made a large mistake in your lineup... as there is no way on planet earth Aaron Schobel could play DE in a 3-4

with what we have on this team we'd probably have to go with...

RE - Spencer Johnson
DT - Kyle Williams (im not sure he can hold the NT for a 3-4 but he's the best option on the team)
LE - M. Stroud

OLB - Schobel/Maybin
ILB - Poz/Mitchel

It's not an amazing front 7, with 2 DEs being forced to play LB, but it wouldn't be too bad. I think we had a better lineup to swap to a 3-4 a few years ago... but at least we wouldn't have too much trouble pulling a pass rush out of that group.

[bigbub2352]

Any one else worried about McKelvin?
i hated the pick last yr as everyone on here knows
he has been beaten for alot of plays since being thrust into the starting lineup last yr and has made some plays but this yr before he was hurt he was beaten alot more and hasnt made to many plays and has been awful at kick returns?
im not ready to call him a bust but i stil lbeleive we should have gone after someone else at 12 last yr and resigned greer i want a WR but was wrong(u see that DR LECTER!) i admitted i was wrong LOL
i think we should have gone DLine with that pick
not panicking yet but McKelvin is still not looking hot
Maybin needs more time to acclimate himself to the NFL he is greeeeeeeeen

[Dr. Lecter]

I agree with Ingtar on one thing - Williams is a better option at NT than Stroud. Stroud would be a force as a 3-4 DE though.

McCargo might actually work at that spot too.

[HHURRICANE]

You know what, I give up. You are right.

Cut him now.

You act like there is one magical answer. I already said I do not like the pick.


But saying three games is enough to make a decision on his career is foolish.

Look at last year's NFL Defensive Player of the Year. I am sure you remember Bruce Smith his rookie year. You remember him being benched for Don Smith? Rookie pass rushers often take a year or so to develop, especially those that missed most of camp.

Why are you getting mad?! i just asked how long do you think? If it's two years I'm just thinking that there were other picks that could have helped now.

[bigbub2352]

i've been a fan of swapping back to a 3-4 for a long time now... it's a cheaper defense to run then the 4-3 in the salary cap era.. and when run right is a pretty impressive defense.

however... you've made a large mistake in your lineup... as there is no way on planet earth Aaron Schobel could play DE in a 3-4

with what we have on this team we'd probably have to go with...

RE - Spencer Johnson
DT - Kyle Williams (im not sure he can hold the NT for a 3-4 but he's the best option on the team)
LE - M. Stroud

OLB - Schobel/Maybin
ILB - Poz/Mitchel

It's not an amazing front 7, with 2 DEs being forced to play LB, but it wouldn't be too bad. I think we had a better lineup to swap to a 3-4 a few years ago... but at least we wouldn't have too much trouble pulling a pass rush out of that group.
Couldnt agree more but i was just using bills players if it were up to me we would have switched to a 3-4 last yr after DJ was fired
Schobel is probably better suited cause of size for OLB in a 3-4 scheme i agree
Stroud i think would be better at NT than williams Williams mite be better at DE cause he is good against the run most important for a DE in a 3-4 Stroud is huge and u need a beef supreme in the middle of a 3-4 d
but all and all i agree with u

[Dr. Lecter]

Why are you getting mad?! i just asked how long do you think? If it's two years I'm just thinking that there were other picks that could have helped now.

Usually a pass rusher takes about two years.

And there might have been picks better now, but the now must be balanced against the ceiling. Maybin does have the first step that can't be taught like a 2nd, 3rd and 4th move can be.

[HHURRICANE]

You know what, I give up. You are right.

Cut him now.

You act like there is one magical answer. I already said I do not like the pick.


But saying three games is enough to make a decision on his career is foolish.

Look at last year's NFL Defensive Player of the Year. I am sure you remember Bruce Smith his rookie year. You remember him being benched for Don Smith? Rookie pass rushers often take a year or so to develop, especially those that missed most of camp.

Bruce Simth played all 16 games his rookie season and had 6.5 sacks.

[Ingtar33]

How many games?

want a guess at which Bills rookie DE had more sacks in his first year?

Aaron Schobel & Bruce Smith - 6.5
Phil Hansen - 3.5
Marcellus Wiley - 0

[bigbub2352]

I agree with Ingtar on one thing - Williams is a better option at NT than Stroud. Stroud would be a force as a 3-4 DE though.

McCargo might actually work at that spot too.
give up on MCcargo guy is a bust and injury prone
i disagree with you DR i think u flip flop them stroud at NT and Williams and spencer johnson on DE
but i think with that Dline they would all be rotational and could move them all to NT and DE
until we got the right personel in there to actuall y run the D which we should have been doing this yr since we are rebuilding and Dj should have been fired

[BillsWin]

I love you man but it's hard to take you too seriously on this thread when you have a naked Maybin as your avatar!!!


LOL. good point.

[PECKERWOOD]

Bruce Simth played all 16 games his rookie season and had 6.5 sacks.

What's remarkable about Smith is that he put up those numbers as a DE in the 3-4! Guys like Lawrence Taylor, Shawn Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, Joey Porter, these guys put up big numbers as OLBs and can't touch what Bruce did over his career.

Bruce could arguably be the best football player to ever suit up, imho.

[BillsWin]

13 games left. There is still a chance Maybin puts up 6 sacks. :idunno:

[PECKERWOOD]

13 games left. There is still a chance Maybin puts up 6 sacks. :idunno:

I don't see it happening, he will be fortunate to get 4-5 sacks. His pass rush is so one dimensional at this point, watch him closely, it's the same rush every time.

[DraftBoy]

Okay, let's do it your way. How many games does he get?


30 games. All rookies get about 30 games.

[DraftBoy]

i've been a fan of swapping back to a 3-4 for a long time now... it's a cheaper defense to run then the 4-3 in the salary cap era.. and when run right is a pretty impressive defense.

however... you've made a large mistake in your lineup... as there is no way on planet earth Aaron Schobel could play DE in a 3-4

with what we have on this team we'd probably have to go with...

RE - Spencer Johnson
DT - Kyle Williams (im not sure he can hold the NT for a 3-4 but he's the best option on the team)
LE - M. Stroud

OLB - Schobel/Maybin
ILB - Poz/Mitchel

It's not an amazing front 7, with 2 DEs being forced to play LB, but it wouldn't be too bad. I think we had a better lineup to swap to a 3-4 a few years ago... but at least we wouldn't have too much trouble pulling a pass rush out of that group.

I like it but Im concerned about our DB's in a 3-4, they really have to be able to play a lot of man and bump. Only McKelvin fits that mold, and the safeties have to have good anticipation of the ball in flight. If we switch to a 3-4 we need to make some serious DB changes.

[jamze132]

30 games. All rookies get about 30 games.
Why not 32?

[X-Era]

3 games...3 total games...

Wow...

I thanked your post because you are right, its way too early to say hes a bust.

However, we can clearly see him getting dominated at the line. He isn't getting off blocks and isn't able to push back lineman to get to the ball on the run either.

Doesn't mean he cant, just that he isn't.

You, and others pointed out how his size may affect his ability to play at DE, and that, so far, is what's happening.

As I said before, he could become Freeney or Mathis, or he might not.

I think the point is that its too early to have the final answer yet.

[TacklingDummy]

I love how no one wants to deal with reality here. 1 tackle from the 11th pick in the draft.

How about the 3rd pick in the draft, Tyson Jackson, only having 2 tackles?

BJ Raji the 9th pick in the draft hasn't even played yet.

[SabreEleven]

we drafted a project. Everyone knew that. I said we couldn't rerally afford a project... but we did anyway.

I wanted Orakpo or Oher at #11 or at least a trade back to get Orakpo or Oher

but I only hope he developes, no reason to cry over spilt milk at this point, not going to change the fact he is a Bill, and it really doesn't change the fact that the Bills are 1-2 because we are 1-2 due to coaching not players at this point.

We have to cry over spilt milk, it's the only thing this Bills give us.