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  • yordad
    Registered User
    • Dec 2007
    • 11867
    #1

    Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

    Dating back to the beginning of the 08 season, 16 games ago, I am going to list some things.

    4-3 teams the Bills faced....Sea, Jac, Oak, Stl, KC, Den, TB, NE

    3-4 teams the Bills faced....Mia, Mia, Mia, NYJ, NYJ, NE, NE, SD, CLE, Ari, SF

    4-3 teams that played the game in a 3-4...... NO


    NE played a 4-3 in the '09 opener, it could explain why the Bills were even close in that one.

    Also, I am not going through and subtracting defensive or STs TDs. Mostly because I don't want to spend all night looking this up.

    Of the 4-3 teams, the Bills were 7-1. In these games the Bills score 250 points for an average of 31.25 points per contest.

    Of the teams that played a 3-4, the Bills were 1-11. 160 points were scored in these games, for a 13.333 average.

    A 18 POINT PER GAME DIFFERENCE!

    Does anyone think this is a coincidence? Does anyone think NO didn't know this when they decided to use the 3-4 instead of their normal 4-3 vs the Bills?

    My biggest questions are- If it isn't a coincidence, why? And who's fault is it?
    Last edited by yordad; 10-07-2009, 02:08 AM.
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  • clumping platelets
    #2
    Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

    This is much more a coaching problem then a Trent problem

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    • yordad
      Registered User
      • Dec 2007
      • 11867
      #3
      Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

      Originally posted by clumping platelets
      This is much more a coaching problem then a Trent problem
      This includes JP games.
      "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

      "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

      "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

      "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

      "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

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      • Prov401
        President of WADL (Whitner Anti-Defamation League)
        • Aug 2008
        • 1651
        #4
        Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

        Originally posted by yordad
        Dating back to the beginning of the 08 season, 16 games ago, I am going to list some things.

        4-3 teams the Bills faced....Sea, Jac, Oak, Stl, KC, Den, TB,

        3-4 teams the Bills faced....Mia, Mia, Mia, NYJ, NYJ, NE, NE, SD, CLE, SF

        4-3 teams that played a majority of the game in a 3-4......Ari, NO

        And one team where I honestly don't know what they played .... NE (09 opener)

        I am leaving NE out of my calculations because I don't know what they played. Although, if they did play a 4-3, it could explain why the Bills were even close in that one.

        Also, I am not going through and subtracting defensive or STs TDs. Mostly because I don't want to spend all night looking this up.

        Of the known 4-3 teams, the Bills were 7-0. In these games the Bills score 226 points for an average of 32.3 points per contest.

        Of the teams that played a 3-4, the Bills were 1-11. 160 points were scored in these games, for a 13.333 average.

        A 19 POINT PER GAME DIFFERENCE!

        Does anyone think this is a coincidence? Does anyone think NO didn't know this when they decided to use the 3-4 instead of their normal 4-3 vs the Bills? Now, I didn't go a year back, but I wonder what made the Cards use it.

        My biggest questions are- If it isn't a coincidence, why? And who's fault is it?
        Good find. I believe our 1 win was against San Diego last year. I think it's a combination of Trent, and the horiffic coaching that we have. More so the horiffic coaching.
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        • yordad
          Registered User
          • Dec 2007
          • 11867
          #5
          Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

          Originally posted by TE2Hard-E81
          Good find. I believe our 1 win was against San Diego last year. I think it's a combination of Trent, and the horiffic coaching that we have. More so the horiffic coaching.
          Why were the Bills NOT practicing against a 3-4 defense leading up to the Green bay and Pittsburgh preseason games?

          "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

          "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

          "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

          "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

          "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

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          • Prov401
            President of WADL (Whitner Anti-Defamation League)
            • Aug 2008
            • 1651
            #6
            Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

            Originally posted by yordad
            Why were the Bills NOT practicing against a 3-4 defense leading up to the Green bay and Pittsburgh preseason games?

            There's a reason Dickey has the absolute worse, and lowest coaching approval percentage among NFL fans at 4%. He's a horrible head coach, and runs bubble-gum training camps. We have the worse coaching staff in the NFL hands down. That's pretty much why.
            Last edited by Prov401; 10-07-2009, 12:14 AM.

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            • psubills62
              Legendary Zoner
              • Sep 2008
              • 11295
              #7
              Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

              Good numbers. I love numbers.

              It amazed me last year that the coaches never seemed to be able to adjust to it. And yes, I think some of the fault is Edwards', but it's definitely on the coaches too. That's one of the biggest problems with the coaches - the inability to adjust to looks, whether it's the short pass (Arizona, '08) or the 3-4 (the last two years).
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              • yordad
                Registered User
                • Dec 2007
                • 11867
                #8
                Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                And now Buffalo is a 6 point favorite vs Cleveland? Pfff
                "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

                "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

                "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

                "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

                "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad
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                • Billz_fan
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2614
                  #9
                  Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                  Im sure if Dick knew this information he would "Prepare them better or something"

                  However, Im sure he would first have to "check the video of the game"

                  In the end he would probably sumise that we "Punted the ball well
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                  • psubills62
                    Legendary Zoner
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 11295
                    #10
                    Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                    Originally posted by yordad
                    And now Buffalo is a 6 point favorite vs Cleveland? Pfff
                    They could put Brady Quinn at nose tackle and our offense wouldn't be able to move the ball.
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                    • Ingtar33
                      Dances With Buffaloes
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 15469
                      #11
                      Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                      Originally posted by yordad
                      Dating back to the beginning of the 08 season, 16 games ago, I am going to list some things.

                      4-3 teams the Bills faced....Sea, Jac, Oak, Stl, KC, Den, TB,

                      3-4 teams the Bills faced....Mia, Mia, Mia, NYJ, NYJ, NE, NE, SD, CLE, SF

                      4-3 teams that played a majority of the game in a 3-4......Ari, NO

                      And one team where I honestly don't know what they played .... NE (09 opener)

                      I am leaving NE out of my calculations because I don't know what they played. Although, if they did play a 4-3, it could explain why the Bills were even close in that one.

                      Also, I am not going through and subtracting defensive or STs TDs. Mostly because I don't want to spend all night looking this up.

                      Of the known 4-3 teams, the Bills were 7-0. In these games the Bills score 226 points for an average of 32.3 points per contest.

                      Of the teams that played a 3-4, the Bills were 1-11. 160 points were scored in these games, for a 13.333 average.

                      A 19 POINT PER GAME DIFFERENCE!

                      Does anyone think this is a coincidence? Does anyone think NO didn't know this when they decided to use the 3-4 instead of their normal 4-3 vs the Bills? Now, I didn't go a year further back, but I wonder what made the Cards use it.

                      My biggest questions are- If it isn't a coincidence, why? And who's fault is it?
                      NE was in a 4-3

                      and AZ was primarily a 3-4 last year (admittedly they did have some 4-3 formations...but their base defense was 3-4). they were not a 4-3 playing a 3-4

                      good analysis btw
                      Last edited by Ingtar33; 10-07-2009, 12:35 AM.
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                      • BoyILuvLoznStupidly
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1514
                        #12
                        Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                        Originally posted by Billz_fan
                        Im sure if Dick knew this information he would "Prepare them better or something"

                        However, Im sure he would first have to "check the video of the game"

                        In the end he would probably sumise that we "Punted the ball well
                        lol

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                        • yordad
                          Registered User
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 11867
                          #13
                          Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                          Originally posted by Ingtar33
                          NE was in a 4-3

                          and AZ was primarily a 3-4 last year (admittedly they did have some 4-3 formations...but their base defense was 3-4). they were not a 4-3 playing a 3-4

                          good analysis btw
                          Thankyou, and I edited to reflect.
                          "Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad

                          "I've just been hit with a piece of sky. " ~ yordad

                          "Forgive my opinion, but...." ~ yordad

                          "Warning: I might be hammered." ~ yordad

                          "I don't care if the word is "your" or "you're", so buzz off. Its (it's) a frickin(') message board." ~ yordad

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                          • Ickybaluky
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 8884
                            #14
                            Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                            NE actually opened playing 3-4 against Buffalo in the opener (7 of the first 9 snaps), but switched to 4-3 exclusively after Jerod Mayo got hurt due to the shortage at LB. I think one of the reasons they are looking at bringing back Junior Seau is to be able to play 3-4 at times, like in the next game against Buffalo.
                            Last edited by Ickybaluky; 10-07-2009, 05:50 AM.
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                            • trapezeus
                              Legendary Zoner
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 19525
                              #15
                              Re: Buffalo vs the 3-4 defense.....

                              pathetic stats, huh?

                              I can't imagine someone getting to make such a clear case that they have no idea what they are doing and still keep their job.

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