Tony Pike- merged

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I've read up on this kid from Cincinnati and watched some videos. I'd love top grab him in RD 2 or late 1st.

[DraftBoy]

He may be gone by them. I see him as a likely top 20 pick in the 1st if he continues his play and workouts out well.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

He may be gone by them. I see him as a likely top 20 pick in the 1st if he continues his play and workouts out well.

Can you see Buffalo trading up like they did to land Losman. Is he worth the jump? In your humble opinion is he worthy of an opportunity to be a guy we can hope can put it together in Buffalo eventually or too risky due to rawness

[DraftBoy]

Can you see Buffalo trading up like they did to land Losman. Is he worth the jump? In your humble opinion is he worthy of an opportunity to be a guy we can hope can put it together in Buffalo eventually or too risky due to rawness

No because they'd need a much bigger jump and who knows he may be a top pick who they could take without moving much at all when its all said and done.

He's worth a shot imo, and Id take him over McCoy, Bradford, and Tebow right now.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

If you were going to compare his style to any NFL starter: arm strength, foot work, pocket poise, heart. WHO

[Demon]

It's gonna depend on work-outs. He plans in a wacky offensive system. Cincy has been scoring points long before Pike got there. Tonight on ESPN is a good test for him as they play South Florida, a very quick defensive team, but Pike's NFL future could be round 1 or even 3. He will need to have a great workout for scouts. I doubt NFL teams will be fooled by what he's doing on the field now as fans are.

[Demon]

If you were going to compare his style to any NFL starter: arm strength, foot work, pocket poise, heart. WHO
Derek Anderson.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Derek Anderson.

He is much, much, much more accurate than Anderson. Even in college Anderson couldn't complete a pass.

[Dude]

Cincy has been scoring points long before Pike got there.Untrue. Their system was implemented by Brian Kelly who is in his third year at UC. Pike became the starter last year, and missed most of the season with a broken arm. Mark Dantonio's system was not high-scoring. Rick Minter really had no system to speak of.

Brian Kelly openly admits that this is the first year that he feels he has his complete offensive system in place.

[Demon]

He is much, much, much more accurate than Anderson. Even in college Anderson couldn't complete a pass.

Anderson first year full time starter (2002)
211-449 47% 3313 yards.... 25TD; 13 INT @ 19 years old

Second Year starter (03)
261-510 51% 4058 yards.... 24TD; 24 INT @ 20 years old

Third year starter (04)
279-515 54% 3615 yards.... 29TD; 17 INT @ 21 years old

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Tony Pike first year full time starter (2008)
199-324 61% 2407 yards.... 19 TD; 11 INT @ 22 years old

Second year starter (09)
116-174 66% 1493 yards.... 13TD; 3 INT @ 23 years old


While Pike's accuracy is better then Anderson's, Anderson played better competition and was much younger. Anderson also threw more, but stats are very similar. Both had pass happy offenses.

[Demon]

Untrue. Their system was implemented by Brian Kelly who is in his third year at UC. Pike became the starter last year, and missed most of the season with a broken arm. Mark Dantonio's system was not high-scoring. Rick Minter really had no system to speak of.

Brian Kelly openly admits that this is the first year that he feels he has his complete offensive system in place.

I remember watching a Syracuse/Cincy game late in the season few years ago, maybe 2 years ago maybe 3 i forget, it was a ESPN telecast and Cincy destroyed Syracuse. Announcers said Cincy has been playing pass happy and will be a team to watch in years to come. That's where my opinion came from about being pass happy before Pike's time. I should have researched it and not taken the words of that telecast.

[Dude]

Everyone has destroyed Syracuse over the last 5 years.

[Demon]

Everyone has destroyed Syracuse over the last 5 years.

It was the comment in the game. I don't care who beat Syracuse. I watch their games and that's the only reason i had the tv on when Cincinnati was playing.

[Dude]

You evidently missed my sarcasm.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Pike will tear up South Florida!

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Thanks for avatar Dude!

[Dr. Pepper]

gotta be better than trentative

[Dude]

I appreciate your enthusiasm for Pike, but no need for a new thread.

[Demon]

You evidently missed my sarcasm.

Sorry. I didn't want it sound like because they scored a lot on Cuse it meant they had a high flying offense... lol

[bigbub2352]

He may be gone by them. I see him as a likely top 20 pick in the 1st if he continues his play and workouts out well.
what is status of Ryan mallett?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007

i really like the way he plays

[k-oneputt]

I like Mallett a lot. Big strong pocket passer. Couple of years before he comes out though.

[Block "O"]

I've read up on this kid from Cincinnati and watched some videos. I'd love top grab him in RD 2 or late 1st.

Me too man!!!!! Can't wait for the game which is about to kick off. Walter Football has to be the worst mocks ever!!!!! They don't even have him going in the 1st 3 rounds LMAO!!!! Give me this kid in the 1st round!!!!!

[Block "O"]

I like Mallett a lot. Big strong pocket passer. Couple of years before he comes out though.


I think anyone who transfers away from Michigan is a solid individual with a good head on his shoulders.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Tune in at 730 on espn. Pike will showcase the skills, which JP and Trent didn't possess.

[Block "O"]

Derek Anderson.

Nah, but your guy McCoy has the arm strength of Pennington.

[Demon]

Tune in at 730 on espn. Pike will showcase the skills, which JP and Trent didn't possess.

I'll be surprised if Pike has a big game tonight.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I'll be surprised if Pike has a big game tonight.

I'll see you in this thread following the game Demon.

[Demon]

I'll see you in this thread following the game Demon.

I'll be here.

[Demon]

Nah, but your guy McCoy has the arm strength of Pennington.

McCoy may be a bust or a bum as a pro, i don't know, imo he will be a very good pro QB, others disagree, but to compare him arm strength to Chad Pennington is a joke.

[Block "O"]

McCoy may be a bust or a bum as a pro, i don't know, imo he will be a very good pro QB, others disagree, but to compare him arm strength to Chad Pennington is a joke.

LOL just having a little fun with you my friend. I actually like him LMAO

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Chad had a decent career as a QB regardless of his weak arm. He has played better than every QB we had since Kelly. Sad I know.

[Block "O"]

Chad had a decent career as a QB regardless of his weak arm. He has played better than every QB we had since Kelly. Sad I know.

as a god-fearing christian, I was only having fun with the Demon :D. I would take McCoy right now over Edwards. But Pike is my guy.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

as a god-fearing christian, I was only having fun with the Demon :D. I would take McCoy right now over Edwards. But Pike is my guy.

I'd pass on Mccoy!

I only want Pike or Bradford in this class.

And Tebow will be a tight end :)

[Block "O"]

I'd pass on Mccoy!

I only want Pike or Bradford in this class.

And Tebow will be a tight end :)

I admit I'm in the anyone but Edwards camp right now hahahahaha. But I also have Pike and Bradford ahead of McCoy.

[DraftBoy]

what is status of Ryan mallett?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007

i really like the way he plays


Mallet is your classic NFL QB prospect. Great size, cannon arm, and good accuracy. He was a step in starter as a true Freshman at Michigan and did well there in limited action, but when Rich Rod took over he didn't fit the new system and decided to transfer. He sat out last year since he transferred and took his redshirt, so this year is a RS-SO. He is also draft eligible, so he could come out this year (though I doubt he does).

Mallett's game of his career was this year v. UGA. In that game (a losing effort) he threw for 408 yards, and 5 TD's. Also last week he led Arkansas to beat the undefeated Auburn Tigers throwing for 274 yards, and 2 TDs. However against Alabama he showed some serious flaws going 12 of 35 for 160 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. That was an ugly game, granted Alabama is the best team in the country (in my opinion).

The knocks on Mallett are his drop back and lack of athletic ability. He's on par athletically with a Drew Bledsoe type. He is very slow in his drop and speed rushers can get on him in a hurry. This weekend will be huge for Mallett, they play Florida in Gainesville at 3:30, tune in on CBS to watch him.

[PECKERWOOD]

Doesn't Bradford play in shotgun formation, strictly? That's what worries me about Bradford. This guy Pike intrigues me, I also like Dan LeFevour out of Central Mich, but he will be a 2nd - 3rd round guy most likely.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Mccoy is the shotgun guy

[DraftBoy]

Derek Anderson.

I dont like that comparison one bit. Pike is a mobile QB when he needs to be. He doesnt look to run unless the play isnt there. Derek Anderson is a completely non-mobile QB. I like Pike more to Jay Cutler, killer arm, solid mobility, and good vision. Same kind of accuracy issue in college but has begun to prove that wrong.

[Mitchell55]

This is one of the guys I was talking about when I mentioned a big QB gunslinger.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I love how fast Pike gets rid of the ball with blitz coming at him.

[Demon]

Doesn't Bradford play in shotgun formation, strictly? That's what worries me about Bradford. This guy Pike intrigues me, I also like Dan LeFevour out of Central Mich, but he will be a 2nd - 3rd round guy most likely.

Yes, but so does Pike. Other thing to worry about Bradford is he always has a great offensive line in front of line. Bob Stoops always does great recruiting giants.

As i'm watching the Cincy/USF game, i'm getting less impressed with Pike then i was before the game. Every single play he seems to have 4 or 5 WR. How will he fare in the NFL when he only has 2 passing options? This dude has 4-5 guys each time. Of course college teams can't counter with quality 4-5 CBs.

[DraftBoy]

Mallet is your classic NFL QB prospect. Great size, cannon arm, and good accuracy. He was a step in starter as a true Freshman at Michigan and did well there in limited action, but when Rich Rod took over he didn't fit the new system and decided to transfer. He sat out last year since he transferred and took his redshirt, so this year is a RS-SO. He is also draft eligible, so he could come out this year (though I doubt he does).

Mallett's game of his career was this year v. UGA. In that game (a losing effort) he threw for 408 yards, and 5 TD's. Also last week he led Arkansas to beat the undefeated Auburn Tigers throwing for 274 yards, and 2 TDs. However against Alabama he showed some serious flaws going 12 of 35 for 160 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. That was an ugly game, granted Alabama is the best team in the country (in my opinion).

The knocks on Mallett are his drop back and lack of athletic ability. He's on par athletically with a Drew Bledsoe type. He is very slow in his drop and speed rushers can get on him in a hurry. This weekend will be huge for Mallett, they play Florida in Gainesville at 3:30, tune in on CBS to watch him.

Let me add on that this off season Mallet was arrested for public intoxication this summer amd charged with a misdemeanor. So thats a character issue.

[PECKERWOOD]

That's true, Demon. It doesn't mean he will necessarily be bad, but QBs who play in the spread offense/shotgun formation are much harder to evaluate.

[PECKERWOOD]

Let me add on that this off season Mallet was arrested for public intoxication this summer amd charged with a misdemeanor. So thats a character issue.

Not a big deal, public intoxication was recently removed from being an offense in NYS. It's a bull**** charge that cops can nab you with, that certainly isn't a big character issue to me.

[DraftBoy]

Not a big deal, public intoxication was recently removed from being an offense in NYS. It's a bull**** charge that cops can nab you with, that certainly isn't a big character issue to me.

Im sorry but if you cant control yourself as a DI QB that's an issue for me.

[PECKERWOOD]

Im sorry but if you cant control yourself as a DI QB that's an issue for me.

It isn't necessarily a Disorderly Conduct charge or what have you.. Public Intoxication could be as simple as somebody who is too drunk to drive and getting stopped while walking home.

[DraftBoy]

It isn't necessarily a Disorderly Conduct charge or what have you.. Public Intoxication could be as simple as somebody who is too drunk to drive and getting stopped while walking home.

Im aware of what the charge is and what you have to do or be to get charged with it.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Cincinnati OL has Buffalo written all over it with the penalties.

[Demon]

0-4 on 3rd downs.... and 3 crappy passes in a row after he made that nice one.... just saying.

[tampabay25690]

OK who has he ever played????

[Block "O"]

OK who has he ever played????
no ones comparing him to jesus christ a.k.a. Tim Tebow

[tampabay25690]

Its funny how everyone wants PIKE but I would put my paycheck on it that 90%% of the people on this site have never seen PIKE play....

[tampabay25690]

no ones comparing to jesus christ a.k.a. Tim Tebow

Figures a Buckeye fan would say that...
I know football just making a point..

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Its funny how everyone wants PIKE but I would put my paycheck on it that 90%% of the people on this site have never seen PIKE play....

What makes you say that?

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Nobody cares about the tight end from Florida.

[Block "O"]

Figures a Buckeye fan would say that...
I know football just making a point..

Not just a fan, I am a Buckeye...senior year.

[tampabay25690]

What makes you say that?

Because most people have never seen him play....True fact..
Most people just listen to the media.

[Block "O"]

Nobody cares about the tight end from Florida.

Tim Tebow took a concussion to save us from our sins.

[tampabay25690]

Not just a fan, I am a Buckeye...senior year.

Good for you..
You will get a good education and a great experience..

[Demon]

Its funny how everyone wants PIKE but I would put my paycheck on it that 90%% of the people on this site have never seen PIKE play....

While that's not true, since i've been arguing with these guys for days about Pike and they all seem to be in the know, but a lot of people do fall in love with stats too much. They see the winning record and passing stats and think he's a lock.

One thing i learned from the game, i think Dude said this offense has been in place recently and Pike is the main guy behind it. I don't know what they ran before Pike but ESPN said Pike is 13-2 as starter.... and Kelly as coach is 26-6. I said they been pass happy long before Pike got there, that might be false, but their offense has been doing something well long before Pike got there.

[tampabay25690]

Nobody cares about the tight end from Florida.

Your right no one cares about the best coolege player ever....

[DraftBoy]

OK who has he ever played????

Every Big East team...your argument though doesnt mean anything. Plenty of QBs have played in big time conf and sucked and plenty have played in lesser conf and been very good.

Pick apart his game, not what conf he plays in.

Also the recent trend has been that big time program QB's have sucked in the NFL.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=178381

[Block "O"]

Why does The Demon hate Pike? Because his name isn't McCoy? So people like Pike, who cares??? I don't get why people get so bent out of shape because its not 'their guy'.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Nice pass by Pike in Red zone. Quick TD

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Your right no one cares about the best coolege player ever....

Yo danny wuerffel hello

[tampabay25690]

While that's not true, since i've been arguing with these guys for days about Pike and they all seem to be in the know, but a lot of people do fall in love with stats too much. They see the winning record and passing stats and think he's a lock.

One thing i learned from the game, i think Dude said this offense has been in place recently and Pike is the main guy behind it. I don't know what they ran before Pike but ESPN said Pike is 13-2 as starter.... and Kelly as coach is 26-6. I said they been pass happy long before Pike got there, that might be false, but their offense has been doing something well long before Pike got there.

Hey you and a few others know there college ball just like myself.....
To be honest you know that the majority on here don't...
I was making a point that everyone all of a sudden wants PIKE yea he will be ok but the slowest moving QB I have seen since AKA RYAN LEAF...Thats who he reminds me of but also looks a bit like Joe FLACCO on a great football team now....

[Dude]

OK who has he ever played????Irrelevant. BTW, Tebow is not God. Get over it.

[tampabay25690]

Every Big East team...your argument though doesnt mean anything. Plenty of QBs have played in big time conf and sucked and plenty have played in lesser conf and been very good.

Pick apart his game, not what conf he plays in.

Also the recent trend has been that big time program QB's have sucked in the NFL.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=178381

Draftboy not ripping on Big east at all read my last thread.
And part of its for you as well..

[tampabay25690]

Irrelevant. BTW, Tebow is not God. Get over it.

Really

[Block "O"]

Irrelevant. BTW, Tebow is not God. Get over it.

Lighting bolts are on their way to your home.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Joe Flacco is having a heck of a season and making big plays.

[PECKERWOOD]

Its funny how everyone wants PIKE but I would put my paycheck on it that 90%% of the people on this site have never seen PIKE play....

I haven't seen him play, I won't lie, but I'm intrigued by his height & build, he almost looks like Flacco.

I've seen Tebow play before, same with Bradford, McCoy & LeFevour, but you're right, have never seen Pike play.

[DraftBoy]

Draftboy not ripping on Big east at all read my last thread.
And part of its for you as well..

Last thread?

Even you clearly havent seen Pike or are tuning out certain plays. Pike isn't unathletic, he can move in the pocket and has deceptive athleticism.

[tampabay25690]

Ok sorry everyone PIKE will save the BILLS...
Lets bring him in....

[Demon]

Every Big East team...your argument though doesnt mean anything. Plenty of QBs have played in big time conf and sucked and plenty have played in lesser conf and been very good.

Pick apart his game, not what conf he plays in.

Also the recent trend has been that big time program QB's have sucked in the NFL.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=178381

Yeah compare who Joe Flacco has played against compared to Rex Grossman and Chris Leak....

Flacco played in a more pro style offense, kinda why Locker is getting so much hype. He beat USC and plays in a pro style offense. To me, it doesn't matter who you play, it's about how they play and what type of throws they make.

[tampabay25690]

Joe Flacco is having a heck of a season and making big plays.

He's a hell of a player on a great NFL team.

[Dude]

While that's not true, since i've been arguing with these guys for days about Pike and they all seem to be in the know, but a lot of people do fall in love with stats too much. They see the winning record and passing stats and think he's a lock.

One thing i learned from the game, i think Dude said this offense has been in place recently and Pike is the main guy behind it. I don't know what they ran before Pike but ESPN said Pike is 13-2 as starter.... and Kelly as coach is 26-6. I said they been pass happy long before Pike got there, that might be false, but their offense has been doing something well long before Pike got there.Ben Mauk was the starter in 2007. He transferred from Wake Forest and yes, did put up good numbers. Dustin Grutza was the starter in 2008, then broke his leg against Oklahoma. Pike came in and took over the starting job, then broke his arm and missed most of the rest of the season. He started this season as the undisputed starter.

So, essentially Kelly had one year "before" Pike.

[tampabay25690]

Yeah compare who Joe Flacco has played against compared to Rex Grossman and Chris Leak....

Flacco played in a more pro style offense, kinda why Locker is getting so much hype. He beat USC and plays in a pro style offense. To me, it doesn't matter who you play, it's about how they play and what type of throws they make.

WOW I quoted Flacco and I get ripped on..
This is funny...
FLACCO is a very good player...
I said PIKE reminds me of LEaf and Flacco in different ways...
WOW

[PECKERWOOD]

He's a hell of a player on a great NFL team.

I've seen Tebow play many-a-time, my friend.

Actually, took him in my first mock draft for 2010, which is kind of pathetic that I even did a mock draft yet in the first place, but that's where our season is right now.

[Block "O"]

LMAO take a breather fellas WTF

[tampabay25690]

I've seen Tebow play many-a-time, my friend.

Actually, took him in my first mock draft for 2010, which is kind of pathetic that I even did a mock draft yet in the first place, but that's where our season is right now.

Guess u were bored

[BuffaloBlitz83]

He's a hell of a player on a great NFL team.

Without Flacco this year, Baltimore has 1 Win tops. The defense has been bad in B-more. Flacco has been making big plays all season.

[tampabay25690]

Last thread?

Even you clearly havent seen Pike or are tuning out certain plays. Pike isn't unathletic, he can move in the pocket and has deceptive athleticism.

draftboy come on man you are 1 of the few that do watch college...
Trust me I have seen him plenty.
Hes not a bad QB at all and probably 1 of the top 5 in this so called great QB class....

[Demon]

Why does The Demon hate Pike? Because his name isn't McCoy? So people like Pike, who cares??? I don't get why people get so bent out of shape because its not 'their guy'.

No. I'm an open minded person. I just don't like Pike because his stats are inflated. I said it somewhere here or another thread, where Pike will be drafted, maybe 1st or 3rd... who knows, but it won't be because of his performance against USF or the rest of the season. It will be in workouts for NFL scouts who can see him do stuff he isn't doing now. I join these conversations for fun. I love the passion the Pike fans have.

I love talking theories and what if's. I love talking about rumors and drafts and prospects. I can be open minded and talk about Pike but when people keep writing Pike is our savior, it's time for me to set some people straight. I support McCoy and still hope he's a Buffalo Bill but i don't think i make him be a god or the next coming?

[tampabay25690]

Without Flacco this year, Baltimore has 1 Win tops. The defense has been bad in B-more. Flacco has been making big plays all season.

Trust me i know about there Defense I have them in a few fantasy teams...
I wish the Bills had Flacco, I never sadi 1 thing bad about the guy he is a very good young player

[DraftBoy]

draftboy come on man you are 1 of the few that do watch college...
Trust me I have seen him plenty.
Hes not a bad QB at all and probably 1 of the top 5 in this so called great QB class....
I do trust you, but your report about him being Flacco like athletically speaking is just plain wrong. What do you want me to do?

[Dude]

lol at the dork at the UC/USF game in a Dolphins jersey.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Trust me i know about there Defense I have them in a few fantasy teams...
I wish the Bills had Flacco, I never sadi 1 thing bad about the guy he is a very good young player

You claimed basically that his numbers are imflated cause of the fact he plays for a good team.

[tampabay25690]

I do trust you, but your report about him being Flacco like athletically speaking is just plain wrong. What do you want me to do?

Was saying more like LEAF actually...
Its all good man....
I hate when people jump on a guy to be the next savior when people never saw someone play.............
Like I said PIKE is a top 5 qb in this years draft...

Buy the way why does everyone have to make a commenet about TEBOW when Im not ever really talking about him???? Just curious...

[Dude]

No. I'm an open minded person. I just don't like Pike because his stats are inflated. I said it somewhere here or another thread, where Pike will be drafted, maybe 1st or 3rd... who knows, but it won't be because of his performance against USF or the rest of the season. It will be in workouts for NFL scouts who can see him do stuff he isn't doing now. I join these conversations for fun. I love the passion the Pike fans have.

I love talking theories and what if's. I love talking about rumors and drafts and prospects. I can be open minded and talk about Pike but when people keep writing Pike is our savior, it's time for me to set some people straight. I support McCoy and still hope he's a Buffalo Bill but i don't think i make him be a god or the next coming?USF is over the top defensively tonight. They are playing a hell of a game.

That being said, you need to judge players by their overall game, not solely by their stats. Sure, he has big numbers. Some of that has to do with the system he plays in. But a lot of that has to do with the player himself. Just keep that in mind.

Does it make Pike the next great QB that could take the Bills to the SB? Not necessarily. But him being a product of a great offensive system also doesn't mean that he can't be that player.

[DraftBoy]

Was saying more like LEAF actually...
Its all good man....
I hate when people jump on a guy to be the next savior when people never saw someone play.............
Like I said PIKE is a top 5 qb in this years draft...

Buy the way why does everyone have to make a commenet about TEBOW when Im not ever really talking about him???? Just curious...

He's in your avatar and almost every where else you talk about him. You asked.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Grudan and Pike in same building, Coincidence? Possibly scouting his next QB in Buffalo!

[tampabay25690]

You claimed basically that his numbers are imflated cause of the fact he plays for a good team.

Most players that play on GOOD teams stats are inflated......
It helps when you are on a good team...

[tampabay25690]

Wish GRUDEN in the booth was wearing a BILLS SHIRT

[Demon]

Is Gruden there to scout Pike for the Bills? lol

The Leaf vs. Pike comparison i agree with. Leaf's team had like 4 all-american WR on it and it was very easy for Leaf to pass in college. When he played for San Diego, it was harder because he didn't have skilled receivers against bum corners.

[Dude]

Was saying more like LEAF actually...
Its all good man....
I hate when people jump on a guy to be the next savior when people never saw someone play.............
Like I said PIKE is a top 5 qb in this years draft...

Buy the way why does everyone have to make a commenet about TEBOW when Im not ever really talking about him???? Just curious...Because you are a UF fan and you make comments like "Pike never played anybody." It's just typical SEC fan attitude.

[Dude]

Is Gruden there to scout Pike for the Bills? lol

The Leaf vs. Pike comparison i agree with. Leaf's team had like 4 all-american WR on it and it was very easy for Leaf to pass in college. When he played for San Diego, it was harder because he didn't have skilled receivers against bum corners.Could it have been because Leaf was a head case who wasn't really a very good QB to begin with?

[tampabay25690]

He's in your avatar and almost every where else you talk about him. You asked.

Only if its brought up..
Y u sorry I dont care

[DraftBoy]

Only if its brought up..
Y u sorry I dont care

I never said I was sorry.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

WOWWWW Nice Throw

[tampabay25690]

Because you are a UF fan and you make comments like "Pike never played anybody." It's just typical SEC fan attitude.

Well I see you are a CINCI fan so it really doesnt matter.
Yes I am a SEC fan but a fan of all college ball.
Pike is a good player, i said he is a top 5 guy..

[DraftBoy]

Perfect example of his deceptive athleticism.

[Scumbag College]

Wow, that third and 17 conversion from the endzone made me a believer.

[Demon]

USF is over the top defensively tonight. They are playing a hell of a game.

That being said, you need to judge players by their overall game, not solely by their stats. Sure, he has big numbers. Some of that has to do with the system he plays in. But a lot of that has to do with the player himself. Just keep that in mind.

Does it make Pike the next great QB that could take the Bills to the SB? Not necessarily. But him being a product of a great offensive system also doesn't mean that he can't be that player.

No doubt. I've said it many times it will be on Pike to preform well at the combines to prove himself as a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder. He could have the tools to be a great NFL qb but you just can not judge in the system he plays in. For people to call him a savior based on his stats is wrong. To support him and wanted him drafted is cool.

ps. Now that's a hell of a throw. wow.

[tampabay25690]

Perfect example of his deceptive athleticism.

Was a nice throw

[Dude]

Nice throw.

[DraftBoy]

USF must have seen something on tape, bc while they were offsides here, they have been all over the Cincy snap count. They appear to know when the snap is coming.

[Dude]

Their defensive coordinator was at UC last season.

[Demon]

Could it have been because Leaf was a head case who wasn't really a very good QB to begin with?

Show me evidence Leaf was a headcase before he became a head case as a NFL bust...

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Grudan is scouting for sure.

[DraftBoy]

Their defensive coordinator was at UC last season.

Explains a lot, Kelly will adjust though. He's too good not to.

[DraftBoy]

Great feel from Pike there to dump the ball with a defender about to be all over his back.

[tampabay25690]

Grudan is scouting for sure.

No he's not...
He is there because he lives in Tampa

[Demon]

I LOVE Gilyard though. Has Eddie Royal written all over IMO.

[Dude]

And that's how it's done.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

What a Pass and Catch!

[DraftBoy]

I LOVE Gilyard though. Has Eddie Royal written all over IMO.
Gilyard has better size (6'1 to 5'11) but I like the comparison there.

[tampabay25690]

nice catch
USF will have to play a different Defense since CINCI will just pass

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Grudan is all gushing over Pike.

[Demon]

nice catch
USF will have to play a different Defense since CINCI will just pass

You don't think a pass happy offense was gonna come in and pass? They are putting tons of pressure on Pike and to his credit, he's finding his guys. USF seems to be in dead water here.... Pike looks to be unstoppable by their pass defense.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Do you guys think either of these teams could beat UFL teams?

[tampabay25690]

You don't think a pass happy offense was gonna come in and pass? They are putting tons of pressure on Pike and to his credit, he's finding his guys. USF seems to be in dead water here.... Pike looks to be unstoppable by their pass defense.

USF knew it too.
Yes you are right they look dead in the water

[tampabay25690]

exciting game to watch though

[DraftBoy]

Do you guys think either of these teams could beat UFL teams?

I think both of these teams could go undefeated in the UFL.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I think both of these teams could go undefeated in the UFL.

LOL That's great.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Lets see if Pike can do a 2 minute drive

[DraftBoy]

That was a good call, he grounded it there.

[Demon]

I hope Pike goes deep to Gilyard.... he tried but didn't risk it.

[tampabay25690]

That was a good call, he grounded it there.

yea I was wondering if they would call it

[tampabay25690]

Worst block in the back I have ever seen

[Demon]

Very exciting game. Will be more exciting if USF scores here.

[tampabay25690]

Very exciting game. Will be more exciting if USF scores here.

Should be a great 2nd half...Mistakes by USF is hurting them in this game...

[Patti120]

Is he injury prone? They were just talking about screws in his arm but he is skinny as hell too.

[tampabay25690]

Nice kick...
Should be a doozy..
Did you guy see my girl ERIN?

[Dude]

Is he injury prone? They were just talking about screws in his arm but he is skinny as hell too.He broke that arm last year.

[tampabay25690]

What do you think of BJ Daniels the Freshmen form USF

[DraftBoy]

Hope Pike is ok, another injury will really hurt his stock.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Daniels got good feet but missed a lot of open receivers on a few plays.

[Dude]

Agreed.

[Dude]

But I'm impressed with how he handled that last drive.

[tampabay25690]

Daniels got good feet but missed a lot of open receivers on a few plays.

yea thats what freshemen do make mistakes..
He looks good though

[Demon]

What do you think of BJ Daniels the Freshmen form USF

If they wildcat is still up and flying in 3 years, he may get drafted between 3-5th rounds. If not, he better work on his passing!

Same thing with him and Pike. USF has WR's spreading the field which opens the field for the QB to run. Once he gets passed a few tackles, he's in open field. Very hard to judge.

[DraftBoy]

What do you think of BJ Daniels the Freshmen form USF

Plenty of potential but has made some bad throws and big time freshman mistakes.

[tampabay25690]

Plenty of potential but has made some bad throws and big time freshman mistakes.

indeed

[tampabay25690]

What are everones top 5 QB in this years draft and you can use underclassmen....

[Dying_-2-_Live]

Tony Pike has looked awesome. That pass on the run was incredible... but the great catch helped. That arm worries me though.

[PECKERWOOD]

GRUDEN

G
R
U
D
E
N

NOT GRUDAN

[DraftBoy]

What are everones top 5 QB in this years draft and you can use underclassmen....

Locker
Pike
Snead
Mallett
Pat Devlin

That's an extremely fluid top 5.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Pike
Bradford
Snead
Locker
Mccoy

[Demon]

What are everones top 5 QB in this years draft and you can use underclassmen....

1. McCoy
2. Bradford
3. Snead
4. Locker
5. Devlin

[tampabay25690]

#1 Jake Locker Washington Huskies (I feel he is the most complete guy)
#2 Sam Bradford
#3 Tim Tebow
#4 Jimmy Clausen
#5 Colt McCoy
#6 Ryan Mallet Arkansas
#7 Pike

This list will probably change a few times...
Cant wait to see what everyone elses looks like

[tampabay25690]

Interesting so far from everyone

[Demon]

#1 Jake Locker Washington Huskies (I feel he is the most complete guy)
#2 Sam Bradford
#3 Tim Tebow
#4 Jimmy Clausen
#5 Colt McCoy
#6 Ryan Mallet Arkansas
#7 Pike

This list will probably change a few times...
Cant wait to see what everyone elses looks like

Well of course... that's the fun part! lol

[tampabay25690]

What about top 5 in the draft and what teams you think will draft???

[Dying_-2-_Live]

Bradford
Pike
Mccoy
Snead
Locker
Tebow

[DraftBoy]

What about top 5 in the draft and what teams you think will draft???

Top 5 Overall:
Berry
Suh
Bulaga
Okung
Dunlap

[DraftBoy]

Top 5 Teams pick wise:
St Louis
Kansas City
Oakland
Cleveland
Detroit

[tampabay25690]

#1 Oakland-- jake Locker
#2 Tampa Bay-- Eric Berry
#3 St Louis-- Sam Bradford
#4 KC-- OKUNG OT Ok St
#5 Buff-- Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma

[DraftBoy]

St. Louis-Berry
Kansas City-Dunlap
Cleveland-Suh
Detroit-Bulaga
Oakland-Okung

[tampabay25690]

Daniels has a cannon

[tampabay25690]

St. Louis-Berry
Kansas City-Dunlap
Cleveland-Suh
Detroit-Bulaga
Oakland-Okung

To bad we cant draft coaches...

[tampabay25690]

Come on USF

[BuffaloBlitz83]

That run by Pike was athletic

[Demon]

1. St Louis Rams- Sam Bradford (QB) Oklahoma

2. Cleveland Browns- Eric Berry (S) Tennessee

3. Kansas City Chiefs- Taylor Mays (S) Southern California

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Gerald McCoy (DT) Oklahoma

5. Buffalo Bills- Ndamukong Suh (DT) Nebraska

[Bmax]

This guy looks bad!!! I would wouldn't even sign him as a free agent.....Too frail



Bmax

[tampabay25690]

Good friggin game

[Demon]

One thing that annoys me about Pike is i think Draftboy compared him to a Bledsoe, and as a Buffalo Bill Bledsoe, Pike is holding onto the ball way too long. If he needs so much time to find one of 4 or 5 WRers, what makes people think he will be able to pick them out in the NFL, where he is pressured and has less options. Sorry Pike fans, but this just is an observation i've noticed all game. Fact is he isn't getting protection, but there are many times, he has time, and waits too long and then is pressured.

[Dying_-2-_Live]

Completely different play from pike this half. That Arm is obviously a problem

[DraftBoy]

One thing that annoys me about Pike is i think Draftboy compared him to a Bledsoe, and as a Buffalo Bill Bledsoe, Pike is holding onto the ball way too long. If he needs so much time to find one of 4 or 5 WRers, what makes people think he will be able to pick them out in the NFL, where he is pressured and has less options. Sorry Pike fans, but this just is an observation i've noticed all game. Fact is he isn't getting protection, but there are many times, he has time, and waits too long and then is pressured.


I compared Mallett to Bledsoe.

[DraftBoy]

Guys chill out its been one drive. Let him finish the game.

[Dying_-2-_Live]

Guys chill out its been one drive. Let him finish the game.
Hope its alright. Would like to see the guy succeed. Preferably as a Bill. If not, LETS GO BRADFORD!

[Demon]

I compared Mallett to Bledsoe.

Oh, my bad. Well in any case, he holds onto the ball way too long.

[tampabay25690]

Guys chill out its been one drive. Let him finish the game.

I agree with you and Im not a huge Pike fan anyway

[DraftBoy]

Oh, my bad. Well in any case, he holds onto the ball way too long.

Not commenting on your analysis simply making your post more accurate.

[tampabay25690]

Game will change now

[Dying_-2-_Live]

Looks like he isnt finishing the game

[tampabay25690]

If Daniels can come up big USF will win this game...

[DraftBoy]

Damn apparently Pike is done, that sucks.

Oh well still a great game.

[DraftBoy]

Damn boy just broke out!

[tampabay25690]

Huge mistake

[DraftBoy]

Hell of a call by Brian Kelly there, hell of a call.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

That was sick!

[Demon]

i missed it... what happened?

[DraftBoy]

What a throw by Daniels!

[tampabay25690]

What a throw by Daniels!

Kid has a sweet arm

[tampabay25690]

reminds me of a young Charlie Ward

[BuffaloBlitz83]

The things I want to do to Erin Andrews

[DraftBoy]

The things I want to do to Erin Andrews


Down boy down!

Granted she lives less than 10 miles from where I live. :hump:

[Demon]

The things I want to do to Erin Andrews

Don't we all....

[DraftBoy]

This Pead kid has impressed me tonight, great burst, good hands, can make guys miss.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Down boy down!

Granted she lives less than 10 miles from where I live. :hump:

You set up any peep cams?

[tampabay25690]

Don't we all....

yes indeed....

[DraftBoy]

You set up any peep cams?

Nah not my style.

[Demon]

I'm out guys. The thread was fun. Too bad Pike got injured though.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Hey Tampa, Is Tebow still with the big breasted girl?

[DraftBoy]

Hey Tampa, Is Tebow still with the big breasted girl?

I dont think he was ever with her. It was just a picture.

Tebow was actually asked at SEC media this year if he was a virgin. One one hand that question was totally uncool but Tebow did answer. He is still a virgin.

Jesus is pure.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Brian Kelly is a far better coach than Jauron.

[DraftBoy]

That ain't too tough to do.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I dont think he was ever with her. It was just a picture.

Tebow was actually asked at SEC media this year if he was a virgin. One one hand that question was totally uncool but Tebow did answer. He is still a virgin.

Jesus is pure.

Motorboating is not breaking virginity.

[DraftBoy]

Motorboating is not breaking virginity.

True

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Here is the girl.
<img src=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_chbnMGy0IXI/SjqNU_eQA3I/AAAAAAAACrE/7yyb2glimAM/s400/tim_tebow_girlfriend2.jpg>

[DraftBoy]

Damn I should of gone to college in Florida...

[JD]

Here is the girl.
<img src=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_chbnMGy0IXI/SjqNU_eQA3I/AAAAAAAACrE/7yyb2glimAM/s400/tim_tebow_girlfriend2.jpg>

jacking off allllll nitteeezzzz

[tampabay25690]

Nice boobs....

[tampabay25690]

Draftboy I dont mean to talk about my boy TIM but I will now.
I have a friend that plays on the Gator team and he said TIM gets more ass then you can shake a stick at.....But he is very picky

[DraftBoy]

Draftboy I dont mean to talk about my boy TIM but I will now.
I have a friend that plays on the Gator team and he said TIM gets more ass then you can shake a stick at.....But he is very picky

Im just repeating what he said at the SEC media day. If I was him Id be going Matt Leinart on that campus!

[tampabay25690]

Damn I should of gone to college in Florida...

You could be a GATOR fan then:cheers:

[tampabay25690]

Im just repeating what he said at the SEC media day. If I was him Id be going Matt Leinart on that campus!

I knew u were...

[Billz_fan]

Ohhh man I think those are real to :dancers:

[BuffaloBlitz83]

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[Dude]

My final thoughts on this thread:
Great game, USF was out-coached and out-conditioned. Plus they made more mistakes than UC and they were not able to overcome them.
I'm not saying Pike is "the answer" for the Bills. But I would not be disappointed one bit if he were to be drafted by them. I've watched every game he's played, many of them in person, and those of you who are basing your opinion of him on last night's game or on stats alone are missing the big picture. He's smart, athletic, and is a tremendous leader. Do more research before writing him off based upon limited exposure to what he can do.
Pike is not frail or injury-prone. The arm he hurt last night was broken last season and there is a metal plate and screws in there currently holding it together. The initial report is that it was sprained and that the plate may have come loose. If you have had the chance to watch him play on a consistent basis, you would not doubt his toughness. He is just as willing to run and sacrifice his body as Jim Kelly was in his prime.
Don't assume that just because he doesn't play in the SEC and is a product of a high-output system that he cannot be successful in the NFL. Look at the difference in the offense between the first and second half last night. They run the spread with Pike because they can - because Pike's ability makes it possible.

[DraftBoy]

My final thoughts on this thread:
Great game, USF was out-coached and out-conditioned. Plus they made more mistakes than UC and they were not able to overcome them.
I'm not saying Pike is "the answer" for the Bills. But I would not be disappointed one bit if he were to be drafted by them. I've watched every game he's played, many of them in person, and those of you who are basing your opinion of him on last night's game or on stats alone are missing the big picture. He's smart, athletic, and is a tremendous leader. Do more research before writing him off based upon limited exposure to what he can do.
Pike is not frail or injury-prone. The arm he hurt last night was broken last season and there is a metal plate and screws in there currently holding it together. The initial report is that it was sprained and that the plate may have come loose. If you have had the chance to watch him play on a consistent basis, you would not doubt his toughness. He is just as willing to run and sacrifice his body as Jim Kelly was in his prime.
Don't assume that just because he doesn't play in the SEC and is a product of a high-output system that he cannot be successful in the NFL. Look at the difference in the offense between the first and second half last night. They run the spread with Pike because they can - because Pike's ability makes it possible.


I agree with the above, but on point three. If his wrist, or forearm is hurt (again) and its going to be an extended period of time. He's going to get tagged as injury prone. The reports I ready last year were that with the plate being inserted it supposed to further strenthen the bone, if its hurt again that's going to raise a red flag. If he comes back, plays well, and workouts out well it will not be a big dent, but some teams could shy away. The good thing is that its a non-throwing arm injury of some sort.

I ahve to think based on the way Pike played in that one drive in the second half, and the way Kelly made comments at the end of the game that this is more severe than just a sprain. Possibly a fractured wrist, or something to that degree. I hope his season is not over, as I do enjoy watching him play and I hope Cincy can go undefeated.

[Dude]

I think you may be right on the injury. I would hope that by having the plate it would encourage healing but I don't know exactly how extensive the original break was.

[DraftBoy]

I think you may be right on the injury. I would hope that by having the plate it would encourage healing but I don't know exactly how extensive the original break was.

It was a bad break last year, if I recall correctly, he broke both the radius and ulna bones?

Not 100% sure though. Either way I hope to hear something by days end.

Edit: I was wrong he just broke his radius.

http://www.thedisabledlist.com/How-to-treat-broken-forearm-Tony-Pike


Imagine lifting your arm up and your hand flops to feel your elbow. That's sorta what happens when you break your foream. Tony Pike is the starting quarterback for the University of Cincinnati, which is unreal. Why? He was the third string quarterback to start the year. Univeristy of Cincinnati has hit a rash of injuries to quarterback, so it was no surprise when Tony Pike broke his forearm.

The first thing you need to understand is that the forearm is actually two bones, the ulna and radius. Tony Pike broke his radius, which is the inside bone running from the elbow to the thumb side.

[THATHURMANATOR]

My final thoughts on this thread:
Great game, USF was out-coached and out-conditioned. Plus they made more mistakes than UC and they were not able to overcome them.
I'm not saying Pike is "the answer" for the Bills. But I would not be disappointed one bit if he were to be drafted by them. I've watched every game he's played, many of them in person, and those of you who are basing your opinion of him on last night's game or on stats alone are missing the big picture. He's smart, athletic, and is a tremendous leader. Do more research before writing him off based upon limited exposure to what he can do.
Pike is not frail or injury-prone. The arm he hurt last night was broken last season and there is a metal plate and screws in there currently holding it together. The initial report is that it was sprained and that the plate may have come loose. If you have had the chance to watch him play on a consistent basis, you would not doubt his toughness. He is just as willing to run and sacrifice his body as Jim Kelly was in his prime.
Don't assume that just because he doesn't play in the SEC and is a product of a high-output system that he cannot be successful in the NFL. Look at the difference in the offense between the first and second half last night. They run the spread with Pike because they can - because Pike's ability makes it possible.

I have seen him play in a couple of games and I liked what I saw. He has a very quick release.

[yordad]

Here is the girl.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_chbnMGy0IXI/SjqNU_eQA3I/AAAAAAAACrE/7yyb2glimAM/s400/tim_tebow_girlfriend2.jpgThat is not Tebow's girl. It is not even the same girl in the Tebow pic.

[Hemlepp53]

That is not Tebow's girl. It is not even the same girl in the Tebow pic.

LOL... Yordad... With all that went on in this thread... You focused all your attention on the most important post... She is smoking... Good eye... I'd take either of them.. She will do on a Friday at 11am...

[yordad]

LOL... Yordad... With all that went on in this thread... You focused all your attention on the most important post... She is smoking... Good eye... I'd take either of them.. She will do on a Friday at 11am...E yES!! or 11:01, 11:02, 11:03, etc.

Or all times, it would probably only take a minute anyways. :cp:

[TheBrownBear]

Pike has a bit of a noodle arm.

Bradford
Locker
Devlin

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Noodle arm? Doesn't he have a stronger arm than Bradford and Mccoy

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I want to watch Locker play. I never have seen him in action. Any chance he enters the draft

[BuffaloBlitz83]

I do think Pike should get in the weight room. Add some size, he'd be dead behind a Bills OL

[Block "O"]

I do think Pike should get in the weight room. Add some size, he'd be dead behind a Bills OL

As long as he doesn't get too big. I think thats part of Quinns problem.

[tampabay25690]

Noodle arm? Doesn't he have a stronger arm than Bradford and Mccoy

I dont think so at all...
Not 1 of those guys have great arms.

[tampabay25690]

I want to watch Locker play. I never have seen him in action. Any chance he enters the draft

He is the best player coming out in my opinion.
If he played on a bigger school he would be a heisman winner.
He is the real deal in my opinion....Great arm, quick, athletic, and smart...

[tampabay25690]

As long as he doesn't get too big. I think thats part of Quinns problem.

He has alot of work to do.
I spoke to a few guys from USF that are in scouting and stated they were mostly there to see SELVIE last nite but Pike as well....