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  • ghz in pittsburgh
    Registered User
    • Aug 2004
    • 5861

    Our Best Bet at QB

    When it comes to QBs, it always brings out the most emotion of people. It's polarizing. He's either your guy or he is your enemy.

    Just in recent history, we went through Losman vs Bledsoe, Edwards vs Losman, and now Fitzpatrick vs Edwards.

    Most of us know Fitzpatrick is not THE guy, he's the perfect backup.

    When Edwards stepped on the field for Losman on that fateful day, he looked so different from all the other debut that we have witnessed: Collins, RJ, Losman. He does not have a big arm like those guys, but he's real cerebral; he can make quick decisions.

    I admit I was real high on this guy. And I always believe that a franchise QB is drafted - there is no such thing as trading for a franchise QB or signing a free agent franchise QB. When the best defense teams can throw at you is to drop 8 or more into coverage, you know you have something special at QB (we cannot beat you firing bullets on time on target, so we beat your targets to make them disappear).

    Unfortunately, the Bills did not and still don't have an offensive line to beat an opponent on the ground. Along the way, Edwards simply cannot elevate himself to the elite level - capturing those fleeing moments in a play to beat those 8+ tight coverage defenses. He threw INTs, he got burned, and most damagingly, he's losing his confidence in the process.

    Right now, I see a Chad Pennington type of career for him. If he's on a team with a strong running attack (like Chad enjoyed with Curtis Martin in Jets and Brown/William in Dolphins), he can win. But if he's the one to carry the load, defenses have a good formula in store.

    The Bills, ever since Levy left the GM post and Brandon took the rein, are actually moving in the direction of building up ground attacks: the critical part is the re-vamping of the O-Line. It takes time and we are paying for it now.

    I believe we should draft a QB next Spring. If you don't have one, you should never stop looking. Maybe one day you can hit on another Brady, but you simply cannot count on it. And maybe it helps if you can let your drafted QB to sit through a year to learn. In the meantime, under the current situation, I still believe Edwards gives Bills the best chance next year, if not this year.

    My comment on Fitzpatrick so far. The only thing he's better than Edwards right now is daring or confidence. It's funny how little confidence can make such a difference: he has no hesitation. He makes a read and just go with it. What I mean by that is best described by himself when he said "when I see Lee is one on one, I believe he's going to beat his guy". Notice the word "believe"; not the word "saw".
  • Ed
    Dude
    • Sep 2002
    • 9246

    #2
    Re: Our Best Bet at QB

    I appreciate having Fitzpatrick on the team and what he's done, but I completely agree that he is not THE guy, nor will he ever be for anyone. So while I've lost a lot of confidence in believing that Trent could be THE guy, I still think he's the only qb on our team with a realistic shot at that. I have no idea why he seemed to regress so horribly over the last few games, but he's shown a ton of promise in the past too, so I'd rather not give up on him right now.

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    • DrGraves
      Registered User
      • Mar 2008
      • 2693

      #3
      Re: Our Best Bet at QB

      Fitz may be the perfect backup, but we don't have any other options since captain check down sucks.

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      • ghz in pittsburgh
        Registered User
        • Aug 2004
        • 5861

        #4
        Re: Our Best Bet at QB

        I still think drafting a stud linebacker and/or DT early is the top priority. Playoff teams just don't allow people to run that wild on a regular basis. We are talking about a more than playoff caliber defense with just one right addition.

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        • justasportsfan
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          • Jul 2002
          • 71579

          #5
          Re: Our Best Bet at QB

          I still think Trent is smart but he lost his confidence in himself to make any throws. He's been taking snaps with both Lee and TO but it looks like Fitz has more chemistry with either wrs.

          Trent can't see what Fitz see's which is why Trent checks down.

          What happened to Grossman is happening to Trent. They lost confidence in themselves and I don't think we have the coaches to bring it out of Trent since our HC plays not to lose.
          Last edited by justasportsfan; 10-27-2009, 12:35 PM.
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          • jamze132
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            • Jun 2003
            • 29312

            #6
            Re: Our Best Bet at QB

            No one knows exactly how good TE could be with a solid line. I know OBD is trying to build one and with a couple more solid draft picks, we could be there in a couple of years. But that is bad news for TE as he will probably not be brought back as the starter when his contract expires.

            I think almost any young QB will have little to no success in the NFL if their O-line is ****... much like Buffalo's has been for the better part of the decade. You fix the O-line and an average QB and a strong defense can take you to the promised land.

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            • trapezeus
              Legendary Zoner
              • Oct 2004
              • 19525

              #7
              Re: Our Best Bet at QB

              i agree with the orignal post. but my question is this. If we don't think the QB position is good at guaranteed spots in the early rounds, what help do we get by taking a late round pick on a QB who won't get on the field?

              Look at it this way, any time we bring new players in through the draft, dick and co seem very worried about starting them until they absolutely have to. Look at byrd, look at edwards, look at jackson, look maybin, look at pretty much everyone but lynch and poz. Those are the only two guys i can think in the DJ years that started outright.

              Additionally, this team has so many issues with OL, LB and DL (key components of the field), i'd rather just keep taking players in those spots than waste a late day pick on a qb who won't take the field and won't be a backup.

              Once trent's gone, fitz most likely stays as a back up and then we either need a veteran game manager or we need a bonafide star which we aren't getting out of this draft.

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              • justasportsfan
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 71579

                #8
                Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                Originally posted by jamze132
                No one knows exactly how good TE could be with a solid line. I know OBD is trying to build one and with a couple more solid draft picks, we could be there in a couple of years. But that is bad news for TE as he will probably not be brought back as the starter when his contract expires.

                I think almost any young QB will have little to no success in the NFL if their O-line is ****... much like Buffalo's has been for the better part of the decade. You fix the O-line and an average QB and a strong defense can take you to the promised land.
                Soild OL is not the question here. When he's had time he doesn't pull the trigger. As stated a lot of times , Rogers isn't scared to pull the trigger even when his OL collapses. Fritz is pulling the trigger with the same OL.
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                • LooneyBin
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 201

                  #9
                  Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                  A qb with confidence issues will fail. Right now the different between Fitz and Trent is Fitz has been accurate on his short throws for the most part. Trent is lacking the confidence to zip tight passes. Trent is not feeling the pocket. There is no difference between Fitz of this year and Fitz of last year. He is averaging the same 5.1 yards per pass. His completion rating is lower so far. I can assure you that if the defense didn't step up and make plays, Fitz would be possibly looking at 0-2.
                  If Trent doesn't see the field again this year, he's gone. Why is it that this team has such bad luck with cal guys at qb?

                  Anyway, if by some miracle Fitz can help pull off a long winning streak, then I can see his spot as 2 cemented on this team for the foreseeable future. Fitz is not the answer and Trent doesn't look like it so far. As of now, new qb might just be on the agenda in the offseason.

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                  • Jan Reimers
                    Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                    • May 2003
                    • 17353

                    #10
                    Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                    Fitz is not the long term solution, but neither is Trent. Play the guy who's responsible for 2 of our 3 wins.
                    Last edited by Jan Reimers; 10-27-2009, 01:17 PM.
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                    • SeatownBillsFan21
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2149

                      #11
                      Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                      Not all Franchise QB are drafted by the same team see Drew Brees other wise i agree Trent is better than Fitz...I think.

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                      • EDS
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 5216

                        #12
                        Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                        Originally posted by ghz in pittsburgh
                        I admit I was real high on this guy. And I always believe that a franchise QB is drafted - there is no such thing as trading for a franchise QB or signing a free agent franchise QB. When the best defense teams can throw at you is to drop 8 or more into coverage, you know you have something special at QB (we cannot beat you firing bullets on time on target, so we beat your targets to make them disappear).
                        The Packers traded for Farve back in the day; New Orleans signed Brees as a free agent; Arizona signed Warner as a free agent; Seattle signed Hasselbach as a free agent; Houston traded for Schaub; etc.

                        So it happens, just there are more failed trades/signings then successful ones.

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                        • ghz in pittsburgh
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5861

                          #13
                          Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                          Originally posted by SeatownBillsFan21
                          Not all Franchise QB are drafted by the same team see Drew Brees other wise i agree Trent is better than Fitz...I think.
                          Just look at his 1st 3 year with the Chargers ... and they felt they need to spent a 1st overall pick on a QB. Enough said.

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                          • Philagape
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 19432

                            #14
                            Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                            Originally posted by Jan Reimers
                            Fitz is not the long term solution, but neither is Trent. Play the guy who's responsible for 2 of our 3 wins.
                            The only QBs responsible for the last 2 wins are Sanchez and Delhomme.
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                            • yordad
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                              • Dec 2007
                              • 11867

                              #15
                              Re: Our Best Bet at QB

                              A couple weeks without Trent and people forget how bad he was.
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