Let's compare the 11th pick to fellow rookies

[PECKERWOOD]

<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">58</td> <td>Maybin, Aaron (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronmaybin/profile?id=MAY287870)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">6</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">BUF (http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">98</td> <td>Orakpo, Brian (http://www.nfl.com/players/brianorakpo/profile?id=ORA355963)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">22</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">3.5</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">WAS (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">52</td> <td>English, Larry (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryenglish/profile?id=ENG571656)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">11</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">2.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">1</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">SD (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">93</td> <td>Johnson, Michael (http://www.nfl.com/players/michaeljohnson/profile?id=JOH000003)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">12</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">CIN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/profile?team=CIN)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">91</td> <td>Brown, Everette (http://www.nfl.com/players/everettebrown/profile?id=BRO430930)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">8</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">1.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">2</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">CAR (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">94</td> <td>Jackson, Tyson (http://www.nfl.com/players/tysonjackson/profile?id=JAC610518)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">5</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">KC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">56</td> <td>Ayers, Robert (http://www.nfl.com/players/robertayers/profile?id=AYE577722)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">9</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">DEN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/profile?team=DEN)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">98</td> <td>Barwin, Connor (http://www.nfl.com/players/connorbarwin/profile?id=BAR811942)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">8</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">1.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">HOU (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">77</td> <td>Shaughnessy, Matt (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattshaughnessy/profile?id=SHA517783)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">10</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">1.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">OAK (http://www.nfl.com/teams/oaklandraiders/profile?team=OAK)</td></tr></tbody></table>


Pretty interesting to see how all the rookies are doing thus far, we are at the halfway mark for the season, so I figured now would be an appropriate time for midterm grades.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Tyson Jackson has looked terrible and has started too. They will sooo regret passing on Aaron Curry

[PECKERWOOD]

Tyson Jackson has looked terrible and has started too. They will sooo regret passing on Aaron Curry

As we will regret passing on Orakpo, I had him in my avatar for a while here.

[Oaf]

6 tackles? Wow, that's better than I thought!

[Demon]

<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">58</td> <td>Maybin, Aaron (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronmaybin/profile?id=MAY287870)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">6</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">BUF (http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">98</td> <td>Orakpo, Brian (http://www.nfl.com/players/brianorakpo/profile?id=ORA355963)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">22</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">3.5</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">WAS (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">52</td> <td>English, Larry (http://www.nfl.com/players/larryenglish/profile?id=ENG571656)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">11</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">2.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">1</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">SD (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">93</td> <td>Johnson, Michael (http://www.nfl.com/players/michaeljohnson/profile?id=JOH000003)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">12</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">CIN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/cincinnatibengals/profile?team=CIN)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">91</td> <td>Brown, Everette (http://www.nfl.com/players/everettebrown/profile?id=BRO430930)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">8</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">1.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">2</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">CAR (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">94</td> <td>Jackson, Tyson (http://www.nfl.com/players/tysonjackson/profile?id=JAC610518)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">5</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">KC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">56</td> <td>Ayers, Robert (http://www.nfl.com/players/robertayers/profile?id=AYE577722)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">9</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">0.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">DEN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/profile?team=DEN)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">98</td> <td>Barwin, Connor (http://www.nfl.com/players/connorbarwin/profile?id=BAR811942)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">8</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">1.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">HOU (http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/profile?team=HOU)</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="data-table1" style="width: 100%;" id="result" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="odd"><td class="tbdy">DE</td> <td class="tbdy">77</td> <td>Shaughnessy, Matt (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattshaughnessy/profile?id=SHA517783)</td> <td class="tbdy">ACT</td> <td class="ra"> TCKL </td> <td class="tbdy">10</td> <td class="ra"> SCK </td> <td class="tbdy">1.0</td> <td class="ra"> FF </td> <td class="tbdy">0</td> <td class="ra"> INT </td> <td class="tbdy">--</td> <td class="tbdy1">OAK (http://www.nfl.com/teams/oaklandraiders/profile?team=OAK)</td></tr></tbody></table>


Pretty interesting to see how all the rookies are doing thus far, we are at the halfway mark for the season, so I figured now would be an appropriate time for midterm grades.

Defensive linemen rookies take longer to develop then others. Orakpo has a benefit of the doubt because he fits in at OLB for them and he can play every down. And has Hansworth double teamed helps each play helps. Besides him, nobody else has made an impact. Maybin doesn't play much and thus doesn't make plays. The system isn't right for him and Jauron refuses to use him at Linebacker.

Orakpo or anyone else having a slightly better rookie season doesn't determine a career. I want to see Maybin with new coaches.... i just don't trust bozo's.

[PECKERWOOD]

Check it out, here are a couple of my posts on these guys:

http://billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=168569&highlight=Connor+Barwin


Re: Scouting Report: DE Connor Barwin
<hr style="color: rgb(243, 243, 255);" size="1"> He is probably my 3rd rated DE in the draft, if he falls to us in the 2nd I really hope we take him. I've seen him make plays in run support because he shoots into the backfield so fast, it forces the RB to make an extra cut.. Very similar player to Brown.


http://billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=169739&highlight=Maybin

Re: McShay's latest mock has us taking Maybin <!-- Start Post Thank You Hack --> <!-- End Post Thank You Hack -->
<hr style="color: rgb(243, 243, 255);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> I'm not against taking Maybin but with the 11th pick? I don't think so.


http://billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=168562&highlight=Shaughnessy


Re: Scouting Report: DE Matt Shaughnessy
<hr style="color: rgb(243, 243, 255);" size="1"> I wouldn't mind adding him in the 3rd round. God forbid we have a DE that can stop the run, lmao. Would take him over Kelsay any day of the week.



Not to brag, but I picked some pretty good choices. =P

[Demon]

Peckerwood - not sure what you're "bragging" about? Many people, including in the media and fanbase thought (and still think) Maybin will be a terror to opposing QBs for years to come. Once they landed him, not sure why they would go for another DE.

I don't care how much we hate the front offices and coaches but Bryd > Barwin and Levitre > Shaughnessy. We can argue the 11th pick all night long, but Wood, Bryd and Levitre were great picks.

[PECKERWOOD]

That wasn't my entire mock draft, I had several, however, we were in need of a defensive end and my picks thus were clearly better than a front office whom is being paid big money for a job that an arm chair fan could do better at. Byrd was a spectacular pick, but every dog has his day, really. If you put you or I in the front office for 5 years, we'd both likely land a steal like that too. Btw, remember that we had to trade Peters away for Wood, I NEVER supported trading Peters, so that's the difference between me and them.

[Demon]

That wasn't my entire mock draft, I had several, however, we were in need of a defensive end and my picks thus were clearly better than a front office whom is being paid big money for a job that an arm chair fan could do better at. Byrd was a spectacular pick, but every dog has his day, really. If you put you or I in the front office for 5 years, we'd both likely land a steal like that too. Btw, remember that we had to trade Peters away for Wood, I NEVER supported trading Peters, so that's the difference between me and them.

Yeah, but you're basing it off on half a season. Half-season or even one full year doesn't make for a career. Didn't Peyton Manning get near the INT record is rookie year? If Maybin does work out for the Bills as they hoped and still hope, there would be no need for the other guys.

As for Peters, i was with you. I was against trading him... until i saw Wood play. The hard working farm boy kind of player is what we've desperately needed on our line and now can build off him.

[PECKERWOOD]

Don't see it, he hasn't even flashed potential on the field, yet. The whole notion of waiting 32 games before judging a player is a myth, even players who took a long time to develop at least showed flashes along the way. Maybin has been no dimensional at this stage, he isn't good in the pass rush and he is an abomination against the run. He can't shed blockers and his only pass rush is a speed rush off the edge, in which case teams keep capitalizing on his speed rush and over pursuit by running off the tackles leaving tremendous lanes you could practically drive a truck through for the running back. Maybin has been a complete joke thus far, he is on the path to being a bust.

[Ingtar33]

Orakpo is playing LB not DE.

[BillsWin]

I'm not worried one bit. I guarantee Maybin will be a good player in this league. He is young and inexperienced and the intelligent posters on this board already knew that he wouldn't contribute much as a rookie. We picked him because there is potential that he is the better long term solution to our pass rushing ineptitude. Luckily Schobel and Kelsay have stepped it up this season.

[BillsWin]

not saying you're not intelligent pecker, just saying that we need to give him time.

[casdhf]

Maybin also missed the entire camp. He's way behind. He's looked better the last few weeks, I think. Both games he would have had a sack had Schobel not beat him to it.

[Jan Reimers]

I'll wait a while longer to make any sort of judgment.

[ddaryl]

Maybin definitley needs to put on weight and muscle and have a full year of pro conditioning...


However nothing changes the fact that the Bills needed an impact player at #11 last draft not a project. Right now there are about a dozen player the Bills could have probably drafted that would have been better suited for making an impact this year

[casdhf]

He was the best pass rush player in the draft. How were we supposed to know that Kelsay would actually pull it together?

[DraftBoy]

These thread are too much in haste.

[BillsWin]

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[Oldbillsfan]

The best thing about the Bills recent draft history if Maybin is an average player I wont be surprised.

[Griff]

can we do this in 2011 when it matters? I'm not saying Maybin will be somebody in 2 and half seasons, but really, despite the ADD of football fans today, you really can't comment on someone's career until they had one.

[PECKERWOOD]

Orakpo now has 5.5 sacks on the year.

[DraftBoy]

Orakpo now has 5.5 sacks on the year.

He's still a LB though one of his sacks did come as a DE.

[k-oneputt]

Who cares if he's a lb., a sack is a sack. He is actually bigger than Maybin.

I really don't care were they play Maybin but get him on the field.

[justasportsfan]

Byrd has become our 1st pick

If we drafted Orakpo, he'd have 6 tackles and Maybin would be the one with Orakpo's nos.

[baalworship]

Everyone knew that Orakpo was more NFL ready than Maybin so comparing them now is idiotic. Let's take this up next year when Maybin has another year under his belt and is actually on the field.

For the record I wanted Robert Ayers but Maybin still has more upside as a pass-rusher than Ayers or Orakpo. He is just more of a project.