It is highly unlikely, but I hope Hardy

[BillsWin]

Starts Sunday. We are pretty much out of playoff contention. Owens is hurt. Reed is a beast in the slot.

We used a second round pick on this kid and he has been too hurt to show us what he's got.

I hope he plays and I really hope Edwards takes advantage of his size, and the fact that we are playing against an atrocious pass defense.

[k-oneputt]

Why does everyone love Josh Reed in the slot. He has done next to nothing since he's been here. If he leaves would anyone actually miss him ?

[SpillerThrills]

Why does everyone love Josh Reed in the slot. He has done next to nothing since he's been here. If he leaves would anyone actually miss him ?


are you kidding??? Reed is one of the best possession receivers in the game. he has great hand when the ball is catch-able and he gets the first down.

[k-oneputt]

Best in the game ? LOL. Yeah ok.

[SpillerThrills]

sorry, guess I should have said "at what he does". he goes over the middle and takes the hits to get the first down. problem is, he doesn't get the ball as much as he should.... just like the rest of our receivers.

[Demon]

are you kidding??? Reed is one of the best possession receivers in the game. he has great hand when the ball is catch-able and he gets the first down.

People don't understand his role and unless he has a Hines Ward type season, some people will just never appreciate him. It's too bad.

[BillsWin]

People don't understand his role and unless he has a Hines Ward type season, some people will just never appreciate him. It's too bad.

well, people are idiots aren't they?

[Yasgur's Farm]

well, people are idiots aren't they?
Some more than others... As demonstrated in this thread.

Josh Reed has averaged almost 50 catches per season... AS THE 3RD WR!

He actually averages about 10 catches more per season than Bebee did.

[Crisis]

Bad QBing is only an excuse for Evans' production, not Reed's. When will you guys learn?

He's not flashy, he just gets the job done. People don't realize how important he is.

[homeslice5484]

let Stevie start, Hardy in the slot

[k-oneputt]

Now for the truth.

Over seven years he has avg. approx. 40 catches for 12 yds. per, per year. Or 2.5 catches for 25yds per game. and he probably won't even reach those numbers this year. Nothing irreplaceable. Add in the fact he cant take it the distance, command double teams, or is considered a threat to the defense.

Marginal NFL wr.

[SpillerThrills]

I guess you just don't realize what he ACTUALLY DOES for the team. he catches the ball to move the chains!

[k-oneputt]

I guess I see those two catches a game replaceable. Personally I would rather see S. Johnson and Hardy get a chance.
News flash, he is not Hines Ward contrary to what some here think.

[McBFLO]

No one has mentioned the best attribute to Reed's game yet: blocking. He's one of the better blocking WRs in the game. Last year when he got hurt, our O went into the tank, we couldn't run the ball as effectively. He's never going to be a star. He's a poor man's Hines Ward. The guy definitely is a valued part of this offense and this team.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Now for the truth.

Over seven years he has avg. approx. 40 catches for 12 yds. per, per year. Or 2.5 catches for 25yds per game. and he probably won't even reach those numbers this year. Nothing irreplaceable. Add in the fact he cant take it the distance, command double teams, or is considered a threat to the defense.

Marginal NFL wr.You claim that's the truth?!

Here's the truth noob...

109 games
301 receptions (2.8 per game)
3446 yards (31.6 yards per game)
11.4 yards per reception
45.4 receptions per 16 games

How about we continue this by talking about 1st down percentage... Or maybe drops percentage?

Either way you're gonna walk away muttering to yourself... But I'd bet that's the norm for you anyway.

[BillsWin]

Either way you're gonna walk away muttering to yourself... But I'd bet that's the norm for you anyway.

:roflmao:

[Mr. Pink]

Josh Reed is the best all around WR on the team.

Has been for the past 3 years.

[sdbillsfan2]

I agree with Reed being good , but I'm not seeing why all the love for Steve.. potential or track record? Looking for opinions!

[PECKERWOOD]

I guess you just don't realize what he ACTUALLY DOES for the team. he catches the ball to move the chains!

Dude, he actually catches the football unlike other receivers on our team, but when you look at the big picture, he is an average WR in the NFL at best, 4th on nearly any other teams depth chart.

[Demon]

I agree with Reed being good , but I'm not seeing why all the love for Steve.. potential or track record? Looking for opinions!

Agreed. I don't see all the hoopla for Steve Johnson either. He's a nice story and had some incredible catches in training camp of 2008, but, i mean, he doesn't really do much for our team. The excuse of our coaches can't judge talent well which is why he's sitting, i'm not buying. If the guy was half as talented as his fans think, he'd be seeing a lot of playing time. His only good game as a pro was against the Browns on MNF. 3 catches for like 45 yards. Other then that, he's been nothing.

[zone]

People don't realize how important he is.

They should, see last year for an example.

[k-oneputt]

Reed is meaningless whether this team wins or loses. his "2.8 catches for 31 yards" a game are hardly the difference. I can count on one hand of those 109 games were he was even a factor. He is a marginal #3 on bad teams like the Bills and a #4 on most.

[HHURRICANE]

Why does everyone love Josh Reed in the slot. He has done next to nothing since he's been here. If he leaves would anyone actually miss him ?


He's hands down our best WR. Evans has proven nothing compared to Reed.

[k-oneputt]

He's hands down our best WR. Evans has proven nothing compared to Reed.

You can't be serious.
Evans puts pressure on the defense with his speed. Rarely does he get covered without over the top help.

You couldn't find one NFL gm who would take Reed over Evans. Ridiculous.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Mutter, mutter, mutter, mutter.

[k-oneputt]

So I take it you are another who believes Reed is better than Evans. Good job draz. Last post on this it's so over the top.

[Yasgur's Farm]

No... I don't believe Reed is better than Evans. I do believe he's top 15% for slot receivers.

And I don't even need to taint real stats (like you have) to try and convince others that he's not ****.

[yordad]

He's hands down our best WR. Evans has proven nothing compared to Reed.What?

[yordad]

Reed is one of the better slot receivers in the game. He is probably a better slot receiver then Lee would be (in the slot). But, to say he is better then Lee, or has proved more, is ridiculous.

That said, I say the Bills come up with what ever excuse they need to to give Johnson and Hardy some passes.

[PECKERWOOD]

No... I don't believe Reed is better than Evans. I do believe he's top 15% for slot receivers.

And I don't even need to taint real stats (like you have) to try and convince others that he's not ****.

Pierre Garcon, Steve Breaston, Percy Harvin, Devery Henderson, Davone Bess, Hakeem Nicks, Malcolm Floyd, Chris Henry, Dennis Northcutt, Johnny Knox...

Give it up, Reed is not special.

[PECKERWOOD]

Jabar Gaffney, Jason Avant, Kevin Curtis, Miles Austin... It goes on and on...

[Yasgur's Farm]

Do you have any stats to go along with that list? How about blocking... Anyone better? The entire skill set needs to be taken into account.

[PECKERWOOD]

Do you have any stats to go along with that list? How about blocking... Anyone better? The entire skill set needs to be taken into account.

Nearly all of the guys listed have way better stats, Kevin Curtis being the exception..

All those guys are way more explosive than Reed, face it dude, he isn't that great of a receiver.. Granted, he can block. One of the best #4 receivers in the league for sure, but as far as in the slot goes? Not even close.

[PECKERWOOD]

Mike Wallace, Mark Clayton, Jordy Nelson, Jacoby Jones, Mark Bradley, David Clowney, Josh Morgan, Deion Branch, Maurice Stovall, Justin Gage, Malcolm Kelley, Devin Thomas....


lol, Reed ****ing sucks, bro.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Your opinion... And you're entitled to it. But... Apparently not shared by many here. Show the career stats, bro.

[PECKERWOOD]

Your opinion... And you're entitled to it. But... Apparently not shared by many here. Show the career stats, bro.

That's a lot of work, if anybody is curious they should just go to NFL.com and type the player's name in.. You could even do it at random, you'd be surprised how many #3 WRs are outperforming Reed right now.

[Yasgur's Farm]

If you wanna make a claim, you should back it with stats. I did. Tag, you're it.

[Yasgur's Farm]

BTW... Should be looking at career stats... Not stats from this season where captain checkdown doesn't recognize a jersey number higher than 40

[PECKERWOOD]

http://www.nfl.com/players/milesaustin/careerstats?id=AUS467198

http://www.nfl.com/players/mikewallace/careerstats?id=WAL468678

http://www.nfl.com/players/stevebreaston/careerstats?id=BRE019124

http://www.nfl.com/players/percyharvin/careerstats?id=HAR829482

http://www.nfl.com/players/hakeemnicks/careerstats?id=NIC726593

http://www.nfl.com/players/pierregarcon/careerstats?id=GAR115573

http://www.nfl.com/players/johnnyknox/careerstats?id=KNO571695

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonavant/careerstats?id=AVA444955

http://www.nfl.com/players/chrishenry/careerstats?id=HEN601374

[Yasgur's Farm]

http://www.nfl.com/players/milesaustin/careerstats?id=AUS467198 45 games, 45 receptions, 1 reception per game... nope

http://www.nfl.com/players/mikewallace/careerstats?id=WAL468678 3.1 receptions per game... Gonna need a little more than an 8 game sample

http://www.nfl.com/players/stevebreaston/careerstats?id=BRE019124 3 receptions per game

http://www.nfl.com/players/percyharvin/careerstats?id=HAR829482 3.5 receptions per game... Again... 8 game sample not enough

http://www.nfl.com/players/hakeemnicks/careerstats?id=NIC726593 3.3 receptions per game... 7 career games... Is that all you got is short timers with good QB's?

http://www.nfl.com/players/pierregarcon/careerstats?id=GAR115573 1.2 receptions per game

http://www.nfl.com/players/johnnyknox/careerstats?id=KNO571695 3.5 receptions per game... Another 8 game sampling

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonavant/careerstats?id=AVA444955 1.7 receptions per game

http://www.nfl.com/players/chrishenry/careerstats?id=HEN601374 2.2 receptions per gameDo you seriously think this proves your point?

[yordad]

http://www.nfl.com/players/milesaustin/careerstats?id=AUS467198

http://www.nfl.com/players/mikewallace/careerstats?id=WAL468678

http://www.nfl.com/players/stevebreaston/careerstats?id=BRE019124

http://www.nfl.com/players/percyharvin/careerstats?id=HAR829482

http://www.nfl.com/players/hakeemnicks/careerstats?id=NIC726593

http://www.nfl.com/players/pierregarcon/careerstats?id=GAR115573

http://www.nfl.com/players/johnnyknox/careerstats?id=KNO571695

http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonavant/careerstats?id=AVA444955

http://www.nfl.com/players/chrishenry/careerstats?id=HEN601374I was gonna take a look, but after seeing the very first guy is a starter on the outside, I stopped. :ill:

[PECKERWOOD]

I was gonna take a look, but after seeing the very first guy is a starter on the outside, I stopped. :ill:

It didn't start off that way, actually Austin is used in the slot quite a bit, actually. Or would you rather me substitute Austin with Crayton or Roy Williams? Doesn't matter, common sense tells you all three are better. Same could be said for many of the teams listed.

[PECKERWOOD]

Do you seriously think this proves your point?

You can just never admit it when you're wrong, can you? Is that so hard?

[yordad]

It didn't start off that way, actually Austin is used in the slot quite a bit, actually. Or would you rather me substitute Austin with Crayton or Roy Williams? Doesn't matter, common sense tells you all three are better. Same could be said for many of the teams listed.How about you show their "per game" for the time they were in the slot. But, for Austins last game, he was a #2, but he didn't "start" because they opened in a 1 WR set for some reason.

Just a thought. Probably not something you want to do though.

[PECKERWOOD]

We disagree on Austin, but I don't care, my list is strong enough that you can take him off it and my point is still made.

[Yasgur's Farm]

We disagree on Austin, but I don't care, my list is strong enough that you can take him off it and my point is still made.LOL...
A list of WR's who may or may not be slot receivers (Austin)...
A list where the largest individual career sampling is 45 games (Austin)...
A list where 1 individual has a career average of 1 catch per game (Austin)...
A list where half have an 8 game or less career sampling...
A list of WR's with a combined career average catches per game of 2.8...
You consider that list strong enough to prove that a true slot receiver with the same 2.8 catch per game average over 109 game is rubbish?

I give up... You should be in politics.

[PECKERWOOD]

Wow, ok....... Only people in crack houses think that Reed is a top slot receiver in the NFL.