Peyton Manning in 1998

[imbondz]

Threw a league high 28 interceptions and compiled a 3-13 record.

Thank God he didn't play for the Bills because we would have benched him and then ultimately replaced him.

I'm not saying Trent is Peyton. But i'm saying over the past 10 years, we give a new QB one year to produce, sometimes not even 16 full games, before we start thinking about moving on. Once a seed of doubt is put in a QB, you can forget them getting their confidence back.

Eli Manning's W/L
Year 1 = 1-6
Year 2 = 11-5
Year 3 = 8-8

If he played for the Bills, he wouldn't have made it out of his first year, or he would have been benched his 3rd year, and year 4 would have never happened.

[trapezeus]

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Regardless of trent's struggles, it seems that the bills consistently refuse to address the OL. They put trent behind the worst line in this 10 year run and expected magic.

he didn't produce, but he didn't give us any "oh, he's getting it, he needs time" moments. He gave us, "this is pretty much all he has, check down, checkdown, checkdown." The other QB's who matured through a process had moments or flashes of brillance. Those flashes of brilliance in trent disappeared after the San Diego game last year. No one knows why.

[TacklingDummy]

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Threw a league high 28 interceptions and compiled a 3-13 record.

He also threw 26 Touchdowns.

I want a QB who's not afraid to throw the ball.

[Owen DeBoard]

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There hasnt been a qb on this team for the last ten years that has had a good O-line, wheather its been Drew, J P, Trent, or Fitzpatrick. So im not making any excuse for Trent because when he has had time to throw the ball he still checks it down.

[Philagape]

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I disagree, Bondz. Most fans here realize most QBs need some time to develop.
Speaking for myself, I gave JPUFL and Trent until their third year playing before giving up on them. That's a reasonable time period. The few exceptions who are late bloomers do not justify waiting longer than that.

[OpIv37]

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I think you're confusing a couple of concepts here. It's not just a lack of production. It's a complete lack of progress. Both Trent and JP were give significant portions of three seasons. At the end, they looked just as bad as they did at the beginning. They never grew or developed, and I'd even say that Trent regressed.

Granted, it's not entirely their fault. They have poor coaching and played behind terrible o lines. But they never even showed improvement, and none of the qb's we dropped went on to be successful elsewhere. The problem isn't giving up on qb's. The problem is that we suck at both finding and developing talent, particularly at qb.

[Philagape]

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If a QB is the real deal, by his third year he should be finding ways to make up for the deficiencies around him and make other players look better.
But if they're still 100 percent dependent on everyone else, and everything has to be perfect for them to succeed, then they're not the answer.

[yordad]

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Oh, I guess Trent is still a rookie?

[imbondz]

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I guess my point is that we always blame the QB, but no QB would flourish in the broken system we have.

[justasportsfan]

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how many OCs and OL players have these qb's gone through?

Afer watching Fitz go for 297 yards. I can say now that Dick held this O back with his play not to lose philosophy and it affected the qb's being able to just play like football players.

[Philagape]

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I guess my point is that we always blame the QB, but no QB would flourish in the broken system we have.

But we can still see things that he alone does. We can see how he reacts to adversity, how he adjusts, and the quality of his throws and decisions.
If he's on a bad offense, then it's up to him to take advantage of the few times when he has an opportunity to make a play.
A QB has choices on every play, and even if all the choices aren't good, there are still right ones and wrong ones.

[TacklingDummy]

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Oh, I guess Trent is still a rookie?

Sure why not, JP was a 4th year rookie, might as well apply that to Trent also.

[djjimkelly]

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Threw a league high 28 interceptions and compiled a 3-13 record.

Thank God he didn't play for the Bills because we would have benched him and then ultimately replaced him.

I'm not saying Trent is Peyton. But i'm saying over the past 10 years, we give a new QB one year to produce, sometimes not even 16 full games, before we start thinking about moving on. Once a seed of doubt is put in a QB, you can forget them getting their confidence back.

Eli Manning's W/L
Year 1 = 1-6
Year 2 = 11-5
Year 3 = 8-8

If he played for the Bills, he wouldn't have made it out of his first year, or he would have been benched his 3rd year, and year 4 would have never happened.

give it up trent was never good never a winner on any level except HS

[madness]

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Put Fitz's brain in Trent's body and I'll let Trent back on the field.

[Lexwhat]

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The Peyton Manning argument is invalid.

The guy threw for almost 4,000 yards his rookie year and threw 26 TD passes. According to NFL.com, he was only sacked 22 times.

Did you actually watch him play his rookie season?? Stats are misleading. The guy played damn good for a Rookie.