Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

[Jan Reimers]

After playing our hearts out against the Fins?

[Stewie]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

[ddaryl]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I'd rather have a better draft pick then to win out and still miss the playoffs.

This team needs talent and I'll take the better draft spot that can either net us a better pick or a better trade down scenario.

Plus a win over the fins did nothing to rectify the mess this team still IS.

[yordad]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I still want to beat the Pats.

[Billz_fan]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I want to win actually. unless we get a top level staff in place we will flub the draft anyway and if we do get a good coach etc. They will get good value wherever we pick. So I choose win !

[Stewie]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I'd rather have a better draft pick then to win out and still miss the playoffs.

This team needs talent and I'll take the better draft spot that can either net us a better pick or a better trade down scenario.

Plus a win over the fins did nothing to rectify the mess this team still IS.

can you define "better draft pick" ?

[mybills]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

Sweep the Jets, beat the Pats, I hate KC too, so I want that win...it would be nice to beat the Colts in cold weather, oh and who plays on the Falcons?

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I'd rather have a better draft pick then to win out and still miss the playoffs.

This team needs talent and I'll take the better draft spot that can either net us a better pick or a better trade down scenario.

Plus a win over the fins did nothing to rectify the mess this team still IS.

As I've said before, there is no guarantee that a higher draft spot will net us a better player, given our current talent evaluators. And if we get some better guys in our FO, they should do fine - ala the Colts and Patriots - with wherever we pick.

I just think losing in order to improve your draft status is bad policy. That's why I think few, if any, teams ever do it, even if fans root for it.

[HHURRICANE]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

Yes, let's hope for all wins:

1) Than we keep Fewell, and we know how good first time HCs have worked out.

2) At 9-7 we still miss the playoffs and draft at 14th getting an overrated 1st rounder.

3) We sell out again because we were only 2 games from making the playoffs.

4) Ralph decides that we are only a few players away and seals up his wallet.

5) Op and I spend another year *****ing about how stupid this organization is.

Let me remind you that the year we went 2-14 with Kay Stephenson as our coach we beat the Cowboys and people were so happy that they thought Kay should get more time to coach the team.

A win is great but at this point I'd rather sacrifice the season to get a top 10 pick or at least trade it for some more players that we need.

[ddaryl]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

can you define "better draft pick" ?

higher up pick. I'd rather draft #3 instead of #11, and use the thepick for on a top OL DL QB or LB, or use that high pick to trade back for multiple 1st day picks.


It would be nice to see the team play good exciting football but I don't really feel that winning benefits the organization this year. It actually gives ammunition to the thought process that not many major changes need to be made.

IMO we need major changes in coaching and talent evaluation and if we win lots of games to end the season were going to get arguments from Ralph and Russ that big changes were not necessary and we'll be delaying the fixes that really need to be made.

I'd also rather have a shot at a top 5 prospect then to sit back and see what falls to us at #11 again

[Stewie]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

higher up pick. I'd rather draft #3 instead of #11, and use the thepick for on a top OL DL QB or LB, or use that high pick to trade back for multiple 1st day picks.


It would be nice to see the team play good exciting football but I don't really feel that winning benefits the organization this year. It actually gives ammunition to the thought process that not many major changes need to be made.

IMO we need major changes in coaching and talent evaluation and if we win lots of games to end the season were going to get arguments from Ralph and Russ that big changes were not necessary and we'll be delaying the fixes that really need to be made.

I'd also rather have a shot at a top 5 prospect then to sit back and see what falls to us at #11 again

Since a 1st round pick is a 50-50 proposition at best, I can't for the life of me understand why a the #3 is considered automatically better than #11. Especially considering it comes at a much higher cost.

Yes, I understand that more options are better, and you have more options at 3 than you do at 11. But that doesn't guarantee anything, and it certainly doesn't make 3 automatically better than 11.

Especially considering you have to totally suck to get the 3rd pick.

It boils down to: why lose now to win later, when you can win now?

[MikeInRoch]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I will never, ever root for the team to lose - nor will I be happy with losses.

[ddaryl]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

As I've said before, there is no guarantee that a higher draft spot will net us a better player, given our current talent evaluators. And if we get some better guys in our FO, they should do fine - ala the Colts and Patriots - with wherever we pick.

I just think losing in order to improve your draft status is bad policy. That's why I think few, if any, teams ever do it, even if fans root for it.

Although I agree with your 1st paragraph, I also don't feel lettting players fall to us at #11 is what this team needs. I want the top DL OL QB or LB in the top 5... OR the opportunity to trade down from a top 5 pick and parlay that pick into extra 1st day picks. This team needs a major talent influx quickly... and one of the best ways to do that quickly is to have a higher draft pick. The other is to have lots of cap space for FA which we do but guess what next year is an uncapped year...


I don't want the Bills to play to lose... I never do... I just rather we lose because there is nothing winning will do that will make the offseason better.

In fact I view winning out as more of a huge negative for this team. It will give Perry a stong argumenbt for the HC position, It will probably keep us upgrading the talent evaluators on this team, it will probably convinve Ralph and Russ they do not have to make some big FA moves and it will keep us from having more ammuition to work with in the draft by either picking in the top 5 or trading back for extra 1st day picks


The only thing winning out does is produce a fake confidennce that will set this franchise back another 2-3 years IMO with the decisions that willbe made based off of how we finished 2009 rather then how we looked the last 5-10 years

[M]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

I never want the Bills to lose.

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Anyone Still Hoping We Lose All of Our Remaining Games?

Yes, let's hope for all wins:

1) Than we keep Fewell, and we know how good first time HCs have worked out.

2) At 9-7 we still miss the playoffs and draft at 14th getting an overrated 1st rounder.

3) We sell out again because we were only 2 games from making the playoffs.

4) Ralph decides that we are only a few players away and seals up his wallet.

5) Op and I spend another year *****ing about how stupid this organization is.

Let me remind you that the year we went 2-14 with Kay Stephenson as our coach we beat the Cowboys and people were so happy that they thought Kay should get more time to coach the team.

A win is great but at this point I'd rather sacrifice the season to get a top 10 pick or at least trade it for some more players that we need.

I don't agree that 1), 3) or 4) will necessarily follow even a miracle finish. And this team will definitely not win our final 5 games, even though I will root for them in every one. And 5) is a given, no matter what happens.