I don't get this W/L stuff

[The King]

The higher draft pick we get the more we have to pay an athlete who has proven nothing. Not to mention you're routing against your team.

Wins build confidence and confidence attracts players and brings out the best in the players you already have.

If we can string together some wins maybe we wont have to over pay guys to come play in Buffalo, instead of over paying a rookie who is a big question mark.

I really don't understand where this is coming from.

[mybills]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

really young fans?

[Jan Reimers]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

It's coming from the believers in the "Magic Draft" theory, which posits that if the Bills draft in the top 3 to 5, we will get the player who will turn the franchise around immediately. Any pick 6 or lower is useless, and will condemn us to another 10 years of mediocrity.

[DraftBoy]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

really young fans?

Not all young fans.

And it makes no sense MBB. Its just a twisted set of logic.

Jan you are exactly right.

[Throne Logic]

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I'm with you. I never want to select higher than 10. Risk to reward odds are just too scary for me.

[Night Train]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

Stop Making Sense was a great Talking Heads CD.

[The King]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

The last time we nabbed a big name player was when we strung a few wins together... it was Takeo Spikes. He never would've signed with a 4 win team that year.

[SABURZFAN]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

The higher draft pick we get the more we have to pay an athlete who has proven nothing. Not to mention you're routing against your team.

Wins build confidence and confidence attracts players and brings out the best in the players you already have.

If we can string together some wins maybe we wont have to over pay guys to come play in Buffalo, instead of over paying a rookie who is a big question mark.

I really don't understand where this is coming from.

idiots. that's where it's coming from.

[ddaryl]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

I just fail to see what winning does for this team at this point but force us to let the draft come to us. I would rather draft higher have a choice at a top player or trade back for more picks.

It's harder to do that at #11 or #14 then it is at #5

For me this season is shot, and I am looking forward to the offseason more so then the last 5 games of this season.... Sorry but the Bills have already rolled over on the seaosn, to all of sudden wake up now is insulting to me.

The team needs players, needs new coaches, and new talent evaluators, and if we some how all of sudden we win 3 or 4 of these last 5 games it sends a signal that we do not need many of these changes and we stick with the craptastic direction we've been heading for 10 years.

I guess what I don't understand is why anyone thinks winning is even worth it at this point. The season is done. We are not going to the playoffs AGAIN, and the team has shown throughout the entire year that it has weaknesses in a few areas.


The best way to build a team is through the draft and the best way to draft is to have extra picks and/or great draft position to pick up top talent....
And yes drafting is not an exact science, but just because the Bills have sucked at it doesn't mean that the great teams make the most of their high draft picks when they get them.... If the Bills are going to be great again they need studs, and the best chances to gain these studs is by having a choice of picks at the top of the draft and/or trading back for extra picks. Both are done best from the upper part of the draft.


So the Bills lose the last 5 games and finish 4 - 12.. Lets say they draft #7 overall.... Because they had a horrible seaosn We either get a new HC who takes charge of talent evaluation and brings in some of his own people, or Russ and Ralph agree to hire a real GM to handle talent evalutation etc...

Now we have new talent evaluators. If you were the new GM or the new HC who knows this team needs some players would you rather have the #14 pick or the #7 pick

My guess is any new GM / HC wants an opportunity to draft a top ranked player, or pick up as many picks in the 1st 3 rds and they can grab to build the team in their mold through the draft


Like I said any win means nothing to me. I honestly do not care...This team had the chance to impress me but they missed the playoffs already so I don't want to lose the chance at a more exciting offseaosn just so a team that sucks can convince itself it doesn't suck as much as they thought

[ddaryl]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

It's coming from the believers in the "Magic Draft" theory, which posits that if the Bills draft in the top 3 to 5, we will get the player who will turn the franchise around immediately. Any pick 6 or lower is useless, and will condemn us to another 10 years of mediocrity.

NO IT's NOT

Wow I love how some justify their position by making up "Magic Draft" crap. Teams with good talent evaluators make good decisions. Do you think their is a better chance at picking a top player at #5 or at #11.... Yes its a crapshoot but the odds favor drafting higher

as for the cost.. Who cares the dumbass Bills stay 20+ million under the cap and next year is a no cap year to boot.

Also is it more beneficial to trade back from pick #5 to say pick #11 while gaining an extra 1st day pick or is it better to win 3-5 more games and end up drafting #11 or higher with even less of a shot of parlaying picks.



Case in point... If Indinanpolis was drafting #2 in 1998 do you think they would be drafting Peyton Manning. SO I guess draft position means nothing..

AND because Polian puts together great talent evaluators they we're able to make the right decision and pick Manning #1 over Leaf. At the time it was a long and hard thought process.

NOW if the Bills go ahead and end the season 8-8 does anyone really beleive we are going to get the massive changes this team needs, or do we all of a sudden find out that Perry is now are HC and Brandon will keep the GM duties. If this is what happens I will be furious. Because all it means is we will be mediocre for another 3-4 years.



Why is so hard for some of you's to understand that this organization needs MAJOR changes.... and those changes only come if losses mount.... and this organization has already proven it will reward mediocrity and if we end up 8-8 that is what will happen. Ralph and Russ will find away to reward it.

[The King]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

Nobody wants to play here... you understand that right? No one wants to be part of a losing franchise. We need to win games, we're offering Mike Shannahan 10 million dollars a year to coach here. Why? Because we suck ass! Not because he's worth that insane price tag.

If we put together some wins this team doesn't look like the red headed stepchild and we can possibly sign some FA's who will make and impact, draft solid in your spots and viola you have a winning team. We dont need a top 5 pick to win 10 games...

[mybills]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

Sorry but the Bills have already rolled over on the seaosn, to all of sudden wake up now is insulting to me.

?

[realdealryan]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

Just WIN! It keeps players (except one) and attracts better players (so we're not stuck giving our $50 mil to Derrick Dockery!), makes a prospective GM or coach feel like there IS talent here that has been awakened, lets us spread the money around further back in the draft (especially good in a weak tackle class), etc....

[SABURZFAN]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

we're offering Mike Shannahan 10 million dollars a year to coach here.

supposedly

[casdhf]

Re: I don't get this W/L stuff

I just fail to see what winning does for this team at this point but force us to let the draft come to us. I would rather draft higher have a choice at a top player or trade back for more picks.

It's harder to do that at #11 or #14 then it is at #5

For me this season is shot, and I am looking forward to the offseason more so then the last 5 games of this season.... Sorry but the Bills have already rolled over on the seaosn, to all of sudden wake up now is insulting to me.

The team needs players, needs new coaches, and new talent evaluators, and if we some how all of sudden we win 3 or 4 of these last 5 games it sends a signal that we do not need many of these changes and we stick with the craptastic direction we've been heading for 10 years.

I guess what I don't understand is why anyone thinks winning is even worth it at this point. The season is done. We are not going to the playoffs AGAIN, and the team has shown throughout the entire year that it has weaknesses in a few areas.


The best way to build a team is through the draft and the best way to draft is to have extra picks and/or great draft position to pick up top talent....
And yes drafting is not an exact science, but just because the Bills have sucked at it doesn't mean that the great teams make the most of their high draft picks when they get them.... If the Bills are going to be great again they need studs, and the best chances to gain these studs is by having a choice of picks at the top of the draft and/or trading back for extra picks. Both are done best from the upper part of the draft.


So the Bills lose the last 5 games and finish 4 - 12.. Lets say they draft #7 overall.... Because they had a horrible seaosn We either get a new HC who takes charge of talent evaluation and brings in some of his own people, or Russ and Ralph agree to hire a real GM to handle talent evalutation etc...

Now we have new talent evaluators. If you were the new GM or the new HC who knows this team needs some players would you rather have the #14 pick or the #7 pick

My guess is any new GM / HC wants an opportunity to draft a top ranked player, or pick up as many picks in the 1st 3 rds and they can grab to build the team in their mold through the draft


Like I said any win means nothing to me. I honestly do not care...This team had the chance to impress me but they missed the playoffs already so I don't want to lose the chance at a more exciting offseaosn just so a team that sucks can convince itself it doesn't suck as much as they thought

There isn't a Peyton Manning in this draft and no matter how high we get we won't pick 1 or 2. Fail.