This ones for you Wys!

[Kicker22705]

Here are some stats for you wys. You always seem to like to take team's td/int ratio vs above .500 teams and .500 and below so i broke down the top qbs for ya! If there are any mistakes my apoligies. I just thought since you base Bledsoe's performance vs winning/losing teams i thought i'd give couple other QB's people who read your posts can compare him to.

TD/INT ratio vs .500+ teams

Gannon...................11-3
Collins......................8-5
Farve.......................11-7
Brady.......................11-9
Manning..................12-11
Bledsoe...................12-14
McNair.....................13-16

Wys's favorite, TD/INT ratio w/out the QB's best game!

Gannon.....................7-3
Farve.........................8-7
Brady........................8-9
Manning....................9-11
Collins.......................4-5
Bledsoe.....................9-14
McNair.......................10-16


TD/INT ratio vs .500 and below teams

Bledsoe.....................12-1
Brady........................17-5
Manning....................14-5
Gannon.....................14-6
Farve........................16-9
Collins........................11-9
McNair........................11-9

[Schobel94]

hmmm.... lol he seems very efficient vs poor teams, just needs to to better vs. the tough ones.

[Kicker22705]

even against the tough ones he's not nearly as bad as some thinks. He managed to put up 12 tds which is second most of those QB's mentioned. So it isn't that Drew is completely ineffective vs good teams, he just needs to cut down on the INTS by half.

What amazed me was how some of these top qb's struggle against below par competition.

at least we know we can count on Drew to beat the teams he's supposed to beat. He just can't carry the load on the tougher teams.

what else the stats show is none of the QB's play all that great vs good teams, which is only logical. Only Gannon really stands out to be superior but we all saw what happened to him in the Super Bowl.

[WG]

Re: This ones for you Wys!

Originally posted by Kicker22705
Here are some stats for you wys. You always seem to like to take team's td/int ratio vs above .500 teams and .500 and below so i broke down the top qbs for ya! If there are any mistakes my apoligies. I just thought since you base Bledsoe's performance vs winning/losing teams i thought i'd give couple other QB's people who read your posts can compare him to.

TD/INT ratio vs .500+ teams

Gannon...................11-3
Collins......................8-5
Farve.......................11-7
Brady.......................11-9
Manning..................12-11
Bledsoe...................12-14
McNair.....................13-16

Wys's favorite, TD/INT ratio w/out the QB's best game!

Gannon.....................7-3
Farve.........................8-7
Brady........................8-9
Manning....................9-11
Collins.......................4-5
Bledsoe.....................9-14
McNair.......................10-16


TD/INT ratio vs .500 and below teams

Bledsoe.....................12-1
Brady........................17-5
Manning....................14-5
Gannon.....................14-6
Farve........................16-9
Collins........................11-9
McNair........................11-9

Interesting kicker! Although I do believe that it should be 13-15 for that first group and only 11-1 for the last.

It is interesting to note. But what catches my eye is that QBs like McNair, Brady, Favre, and Collins had nowhere near the likes of Moulds, Price, Reed, JR, w/ as solid an OL as we had, or a caliber RB like Henry. As well, I cannot imagine that their OLs were healthy all season as well. I know McNair's wasn't.

Also, how does everyone's record stack up against those teams? i.e., teams w/ those win pctgs.?

[WG]

P.S. Kicker, don't forget to add in the Fumbles too of which Drew had three of, two pivotal.

Also, curious, what were the others TD/INT ratios in their division?

Vs. playoff teams?

[WG]

In their divisions:

Bledsoe: 8 TDs/9 INTs; 5 TDs/9 INTs/10 TOs best game removed
Favre: 14/6; 11/6 best game removed
Collins: 7/4; 5/4 best game removed (and he had only 1 game w/ more INTs than TDs, 1/2 v. Wash. which NY won)
Gannon: 9/2; 6/2 BGR
Brady: 11/5; 8/5 BGR
McNair: 6/2; 5/2 BGR
Manning: 10/4; 7/4 BGR

Bledsoe 9, Avg. of others 3.8 INTs;

Vs. Playoff Teams:

Bledsoe: 3 TDs/9 INTs/12 TOs; 3 TDs/6 INTs/9 TOs best game removed
Favre: 5/5; 3/5 BGR
Collins: 8/5; 4/5 BGR
Gannon: 7/2; 3/2 BGR
Brady: 7/6; 4/6 BGR
McNair: 13/5; 10/5 BGR
Manning: 12/12; 9/12 BGR

Bledsoe 9, Avg. of others 5.8 INTs; 3.8 w/o Manning! And Drew only played 4 PO teams, some of the others more! Which means their averages were far lower than Drew's.

Is the picture starting to clear up a bit?

I'm not sure what angle you were taking originally. It almost seemed as if you were supporting my viewpoints since Drew did less w/ more around him. But I wasn't sure.

But this is the type of stuff I'm talking about. And in both categories, not one of those QBs had more INTs than TDs!!!

[Kicker22705]

Division TD/INT Ratio

Gannon....................9-2
McNair......................6-2
Manning..................10-4
Farve.......................14-6
Brady.......................11-5
Collins......................7-4
Bledsoe....................8-9

[Kicker22705]

oh, beat me to it!

[Kicker22705]

It can be argued wheather or not Bledsoe had weapons coming into the season. After all, the weapons he had around him this season didn't evolve into those prolific weapons we know themn as today, until Bledsoe came to Buffalo.

2001 Stats w/out Bledsoe

Eric Moulds....................67 rec 904 yds 5 tds
Peerless Price................55 rec 895 yds 7 tds
Travis Henry...................213 att 729 yds 4 tds

2002 Stats with Bledsoe

Eric Moulds.....................100 rec 1292 yds 10 tds
Peerless Price...................94 rec 1252 yds 9 tds
Travis Henry....................325 att 1438 yds 13 tds

I think they had just as much to do with Bledsoe's sucess, as Bledsoe had to do with theirs!

[Dozerdog]

2001 Stats w/Rob Johnson/AVP/ Travis Brown

Eric Moulds....................67 rec 904 yds 5 tds
Peerless Price................55 rec 895 yds 7 tds
Travis Henry...................213 att 729 yds 4 tds

[Dozerdog]

2001 Stats w/Rob Johnson/AVP/ Travis Brown

3-13

2002 Stats with Bledsoe

8-8

[Kicker22705]

They had weapons too.

McNair had...

Derric Mason................79 rec 1012 yds 5 tds
Eddie Geroge...............343 att 1165 yds 12 td
Defense........................9th Overall

Brady had...

nobody show up this last season. Not one WR broke even 900 yds and RB didn't break 1000 yds. Doens't mean he didn't have weapons tho, Brown and A. Smith had very good season in 2001, just didn't step in 2002. Couldn't even rely on defense that ranked 21 overall.

Favre had...

Donald Driver...............70 rec 1064 yds 15.2 9 tds
Terry Glenn..................56 rec 817 yds 2 tds (Drew made him a Pro bowler)
Ahman Green...............286 att 1240 yds 7 tds
Defense........................11th Overall

Collins had...

Tiki Barber....................304 att 1387 yds 11 tds
Amani Toomer...............82 rec 1343 yds 8 tds
Jeremy Shockey............74 rec 894 yds 2 tds (argubly best TE in NFL)
Defense........................10th Overall

[Kicker22705]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
2001 Stats w/Rob Johnson/AVP/ Travis Brown

3-13

2002 Stats with Bledsoe

8-8

In the end i guess thats the most important one!

[WG]

Originally posted by Kicker22705
It can be argued wheather or not Bledsoe had weapons coming into the season. After all, the weapons he had around him this season didn't evolve into those prolific weapons we know themn as today, until Bledsoe came to Buffalo.

2001 Stats w/out Bledsoe

Eric Moulds....................67 rec 904 yds 5 tds
Peerless Price................55 rec 895 yds 7 tds
Travis Henry...................213 att 729 yds 4 tds

2002 Stats with Bledsoe

Eric Moulds.....................100 rec 1292 yds 10 tds
Peerless Price...................94 rec 1252 yds 9 tds
Travis Henry....................325 att 1438 yds 13 tds

I think they had just as much to do with Bledsoe's sucess, as Bledsoe had to do with theirs!

Well, the only problem w/ the argument mitigating "Bledsoe's weapons coming into the season" is that he had his best games up front, right!

So what happened when all of those weapons developed further then?

Again, to my point.

I'm tellin' ya, asking Drew to change isn't going to happen. He's gonna play the way he has from Day 1. What's wrong w/ his play cannot be coached and particularly not at this point in his career.

We need to work around his shortcomings as much as we can. I'm tellin' ya now, and you can take this to the bank, that at some point during this season you're gonna throw your hands up into the air and see what I'm talking about. Sadly.

[WG]

BTW, since no one apparently caught it, "it's the INTs stupid!"