Kyle Williams: We are a stupid team

[Demon]

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Kyle Williams doesn't mince words when assessing the Buffalo Bills near season-long run of fourth-quarter collapses.
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Can't really argue with him. Glad someone is speaking out.

[BillsWin]

:bf1:

Do I sense some life seeping out of OBD?

[TigerJ]

Whether he specifically is guilty or not of stupidity, a player can do that if he uses the word "we" when he's talking about his team. He recognizes it and telling the world. That means he's pretty sick of it. That's a good thing. Let's hope there aren't too many on the team who just don't care.

[Ingtar33]

I'm not surprised Kyle Williams is talking. He's one of the only players on this team who has a right to talk. as he's about the only player on the defense who shows up week in and week out and gives 100%

The guy is a baller... and i'm glad he's laying it out right now in black and white. I like how he's manning up as well. Notice he calls himself out with the rest of his teammates.

that's a leader. Shame we don't have more of those. this team wouldn't be such a joke.

[Oaf]

Yes, the team raised on Harvard and Yale pedigree. :ill:

[ServoBillieves]

sticks in your craw... haha... love it.

[justasportsfan]

I'm not surprised Kyle Williams is talking. He's one of the only players on this team who has a right to talk. as he's about the only player on the defense who shows up week in and week out and gives 100%

The guy is a baller... and i'm glad he's laying it out right now in black and white. I like how he's manning up as well. Notice he calls himself out with the rest of his teammates.

that's a leader. Shame we don't have more of those. this team wouldn't be such a joke.


MAkes you wonder how some people here think he needs to be replaced on the starting line up.

[Mahdi]

I'm not surprised Kyle Williams is talking. He's one of the only players on this team who has a right to talk. as he's about the only player on the defense who shows up week in and week out and gives 100%

The guy is a baller... and i'm glad he's laying it out right now in black and white. I like how he's manning up as well. Notice he calls himself out with the rest of his teammates.

that's a leader. Shame we don't have more of those. this team wouldn't be such a joke.
KW is a baller. Why? Because he makes 2-3 great plays a game then gets run over for 200 yards for the rest?

Typical Buffalo Bill. Great in spurts. Average in the long run (no pun intended). Which usually equates to 7-9 or less.

[trapezeus]

kyle williams wasn't drafted in the middle rounds to be a superstar. he was asked to step in as depth behind stroud, and he's given us a lot more than what this team calls depth. We call Demetrius Bell a starter adn everyone behind him depth.

Kyle williams doesn't have a thumb injury keep him out of the line up for 4 weeks. Kyle williams actually pushes through on 3rd and 4th and shorts. Kyle williams plays injured.

Kyle williams isn't one of our issues. He is fine. He's a mike lodish player. A good player that would be aided by finding and/or developinga superstar or two.

[Mahdi]

kyle williams wasn't drafted in the middle rounds to be a superstar. he was asked to step in as depth behind stroud, and he's given us a lot more than what this team calls depth. We call Demetrius Bell a starter adn everyone behind him depth.

Kyle williams doesn't have a thumb injury keep him out of the line up for 4 weeks. Kyle williams actually pushes through on 3rd and 4th and shorts. Kyle williams plays injured.

Kyle williams isn't one of our issues. He is fine. He's a mike lodish player. A good player that would be aided by finding and/or developinga superstar or two.
Exactly. Not a starter. A guy that comes in and plays well when yer starter needs a breather.

He does not last 4 quarters because it takes too much out of him to be stout for a full game. Spencer Johnson outplayed him when he started for him a couple weeks ago.

[Pinkerton Security]

Exactly. Not a starter. A guy that comes in and plays well when yer starter needs a breather.

He does not last 4 quarters because it takes too much out of him to be stout for a full game. Spencer Johnson outplayed him when he started for him a couple weeks ago.

Yeah right, Johnson made 2-3 great plays (as you said Williams did) , and not much else. So, they are the same. Im fine with that, i think Kyle is a very solid player. Spencer johnson isn't as strong as Williams in the run game, while Spencer is more explosive. Especially because we're the Bills, we should all recognize we'll never have All-pros at every position and I for one am glad we at least have 2 very solid DT's to rotate in with Stroud.

[trapezeus]

williams is also playing on a damaged knee. While other players take themselves out, he keeps going back in.

[Mahdi]

williams is also playing on a damaged knee. While other players take themselves out, he keeps going back in.
Every player in the NFL is a little injured at this point in the season. His knee is not a big issue.

[Philagape]

The thing about Williams, and really the defense overall, is this:
Remember that the scheme is designed to be fast and playmaking. Williams' job is to shoot the gap and make plays in the backfield. When he does that, everyone sees it and is wowed. A sack! TFL! Those kinds of plays stick in fans' minds, and are therefore weighed disproportionately against the overwhelming majority of plays where that doesn't happen. If you shoot the gap and miss, you're out of the play. And if a lineman locks onto a DT like Williams, forget it. If it's a decent lineman, it's a mismatch. That's what happens most of the time, and that's a big reason why this team is dead last in rushing defense.
People slam Poz, and he's not without blame, but on so many plays it looks like it's up to him to stop the run all by himself because the line is a non-factor. He's not good enough to carry the D on his back and bail out an often-overmatched line whose poster boy is Kyle Williams.

[Pinkerton Security]

The thing about Williams, and really the defense overall, is this:
Remember that the scheme is designed to be fast and playmaking. Williams' job is to shoot the gap and make plays in the backfield. When he does that, everyone sees it and is wowed. A sack! TFL! Those kinds of plays stick in fans' minds, and are therefore weighed disproportionately against the overwhelming majority of plays where that doesn't happen. If you shoot the gap and miss, you're out of the play. And if a lineman locks onto a DT like Williams, forget it. If it's a decent lineman, it's a mismatch. That's what happens most of the time, and that's a big reason why this team is dead last in rushing defense.
People slam Poz, and he's not without blame, but on so many plays it looks like it's up to him to stop the run all by himself because the line is a non-factor. He's not good enough to carry the D on his back and bail out an often-overmatched line whose poster boy is Kyle Williams.

Kyle Williams does not excel at run-stuffing, but I do feel that he is better than you'd give him credit for. How many defensive tackles consistently shoot that gap and knife into the backfield? Very few.

[justasportsfan]

Exactly. Not a starter. A guy that comes in and plays well when yer starter needs a breather.

He does not last 4 quarters because it takes too much out of him to be stout for a full game. Spencer Johnson outplayed him when he started for him a couple weeks ago.

If Spencer Johnson was better, Fewell who is fighting for a job would've kept him in instead of Kyle. Kyle is the best player on this DL. He is a starter.

[Philagape]

Kyle Williams does not excel at run-stuffing, but I do feel that he is better than you'd give him credit for. How many defensive tackles consistently shoot that gap and knife into the backfield? Very few.

Consistently?? No.

[Pinkerton Security]

Consistently?? No.

No what? I didnt say Kyle Williams consistently did, I was just saying that very few teams have a DT who will consistently disrupt plays in the backfield.

[trapezeus]

Every player in the NFL is a little injured at this point in the season. His knee is not a big issue.

I thought his knee injury was pretty substaintial. It wasn't a matter of knicks and bruises. He had no business being out there in the jax game, but since stroud couldn't go and this team has no idea of how to deal with depth issues, he suited up.

the point is that this team has some serious deficiencies in a lot of places. to pick on Kyle Williams and equate him to a handful of the offensive linemen, whitner, the lack of 2 linebackers worth anything, a defensive end other than schobel, a QB, and a potential need for WR, picking on Williams is close to idiotic.

He can be upgraded if we were a capable team needing a little more. If you equate our team to a crap car, it's odd to complain that the radio is a little fuzzy when the car can't move three feet without breaking down. The fact the radio even goes on should be heralded as a great acheivment. and once the car is up and running symptom free, then you can go ahead and fix the radio.

[Akhippo]

Williams is a good player and should remain on the team. Good depth and rotation. He is not a very good run stopper for just the reasons stated above. Hes a penetrator. If you look at our D line, they all start out in the same places every play. At the end of plays however, they are all over the place, turned backwards or past the QB.

We need a DT that can lock up at the point, and then still be able to disengage and go for the QB. We dont have that.

[DrGraves]

as long as williams is replaced with suh next year... im happy lol

[Philagape]

No what? I didnt say Kyle Williams consistently did, I was just saying that very few teams have a DT who will consistently disrupt plays in the backfield.

I see. My bad.

[Mahdi]

Kyle Williams does not excel at run-stuffing, but I do feel that he is better than you'd give him credit for. How many defensive tackles consistently shoot that gap and knife into the backfield? Very few.
Ok but I would not call KW ability to get into the backfield consistent. We just forgot what consistent looks like.

KW is occasional.

[Pinkerton Security]

Ok but I would not call KW ability to get into the backfield consistent. We just forgot what consistent looks like.

KW is occasional.


I agree...just saying, we shouldnt necessarily denounce a player who does not consistently blow up plays, because ones that do are pretty rare.

[ParanoidAndroid]

It's not Kyle Williams' fault that he is outplaying the other talentless DT's we have and starting next to Stroud. He seems to be making more plays than Stroud lately as well.

[Typ0]

To think we really are a few plays away from the division lead...that does make us stupid for being so pathetic.

[trapezeus]

but what does that division lead mean? it's a weak division and none of the teams in the east have shown any ability to be anything more than a blip on the indy roadmap tothe superbowl.

We are still a bad team.

[Typ0]

but what does that division lead mean? it's a weak division and none of the teams in the east have shown any ability to be anything more than a blip on the indy roadmap tothe superbowl.

We are still a bad team.


It basically means had we not been stupid and fumbled away opening day there would be some hope. The guys could show up on Sundays and have something to play for and we would get more entertainment out of the games like we should. Have you ever heard the expression " you have to be in it to win it"? We can't take that step and it's pathetic.

[Joe Fo Sho]

but what does that division lead mean?

Playoffs? :idunno:

[Luisito23]

as long as williams is replaced with suh next year... im happy lol


As long as Stroud is replaced wth Suh next year...I'm happy lol.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Suh will be a game changer. He's a sure thing. He routinely b**** slaps O-linemen and gets in the backfield. He's stout against the run as well.