Would you trade away next years R1 ...

[kernowboy]

..... to get both a starting QB and LT in this years draft?

Thinking of the Panthers they gave up a R2 and a R1 the following year to draft Jeff Otah, and I wonder if we might think of doing the same.

Looking at next years QB class, the leading juniors are out this year, with Christian Ponder currently the highest rated senior. Of the juniors (2012 class) if Mallett comes out this year, you've then got Blaine Gabbert, Terelle Pryor etc .... are they anticipated to be better than Bradford, Locker, Clausen etc?

At LT, with the likes of Bryan Bulaga, Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis, Gabe Carimi and Joe Barksdale potentially in the 2010 draft, unless Clint Boling or Blake deChristoper of the 2012 class declare as juniors the LT cupboard in 2011 might be a little bare.

Assessing our needs, might it not be wise to sacrifice our R1 pick next year to get these two needs sorted out once and for all.

Whilst Suh is a headline maker I can see us being able to sign a decent DT like Arthur Jones as low as R3 and I still think Stroud may have a few more miles left in the tank.

[The Juice Is Loose]

Re: Would you trade away next years R1 ...

..... to get both a starting QB and LT in this years draft?

Thinking of the Panthers they gave up a R2 and a R1 the following year to draft Jeff Otah, and I wonder if we might think of doing the same.

Looking at next years QB class, the leading juniors are out this year, with Christian Ponder currently the highest rated senior. Of the juniors (2012 class) if Mallett comes out this year, you've then got Blaine Gabbert, Terelle Pryor etc .... are they anticipated to be better than Bradford, Locker, Clausen etc?

At LT, with the likes of Bryan Bulaga, Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis, Gabe Carimi and Joe Barksdale potentially in the 2010 draft, unless Clint Boling or Blake deChristoper of the 2012 class declare as juniors the LT cupboard in 2011 might be a little bare.

Assessing our needs, might it not be wise to sacrifice our R1 pick next year to get these two needs sorted out once and for all.

Whilst Suh is a headline maker I can see us being able to sign a decent DT like Arthur Jones as low as R3 and I still think Stroud may have a few more miles left in the tank.

I tend to never agree with giving up a R1 the following year, it puts pressure on the player they cant live up to. Plus, I dont wanna have a repeat of signing into Buffalobills.com and them having their smart assed video introducing JP as our 05 first rounder.

I like using our later picks and giving a few to get 2 first rounders, which we've done a few times lately.

But regardless I don't like the QB draft class this year at all.

[ddaryl]

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I don't think there is a player in this years draft worth sacraficing extra picks to obtain this year early in the draft outside of Suh. (but I also admit to not being that up to date on this years candidates, but initial research says NO)

I don't view any QB or LT in this years draft worth swapping next years #1 plus probably a 2nd rd pick this year just to move back into the 1st rd and pick that player.

but someone else mentioned we could swap 1st rds with Cleveland possibly and add Lynch in the mix to move up and get Suh, which i thought was an idea that had some possible merit

But regardless I don't like the QB draft class this year at all.

I'm not blown away this year, but it's not that bad.

I am very interested in seeing what Locker does at the combine (if he comes out early). Bradford worrries me because he seems to be a china doll, and we cannot afford that.

Clausen has potential too, but potential scares me just the same.

I will feel a whole lot better after we make some FO changes

[SABURZFAN]

Re: Would you trade away next years R1 ...

no. i'm not too high on the QB class this year.

[kernowboy]

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The problem is, as I mentioned, it appears that the top juniors at these positions are all murmuring about declaring as juniors.

The cupboard will be empty at these positions next year, so we might end up reaching just to get a player of need in 2011.

I'd personally rather sacrifice a pick next year under such circumstances. It would be just like using the same pick but getting the guy a year earlier.

As for Suh, he'll be taken by Tampa Bay with the No1 pick and I cannot see TB trading the pick for anything less than this years, next years and the 2012 first rounders. They need a DT more than any other position.

[superbills]

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Agree with most above. This QB class is not worth gambling next year's pick on. If we get some solid personnel guys in here we should be able to find a LT prospect to groom in Rd 2 or 3 and perhaps a QB prospect as well with the picks we have. As we've seen time and time again, it's not necessarily WHERE you pick, it's having a plan and knowing WHO to pick, regardless of your draft position.

[kernowboy]

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I am very interested in seeing what Locker does at the combine (if he comes out early). Bradford worrries me because he seems to be a china doll, and we cannot afford that.

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I'm not sure that is completely fair. He sprained his shoulder, came back earlier than was wise and did the same shoulder again.

Rather than risk it becoming something more serious, he had a small surgery (35mins) to stop it occuring in the pros.

[kernowboy]

Re: Would you trade away next years R1 ...

I think of it like this.

The best QB of the 2011 class likely was Ryan Mallett and he is possibly coming out this year. Gabbert may come out but is unproven.

Jake Locker, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford are likely better options than the class of 2011 (Devlin, Ponder, Pryor etc) unless one seriously steps up. The likes of Matt Bradley or Andrew Luck won't be seen until 2012.

As for LT, the top tackle in 2011 is likely to have been Bruce Campbell. He would likely be a Top5 pick if not Top3. However if he comes out early as expected then he goes somewhere between No8 and No17.

It is just like to Bills to draft a LT this year only to discover that next years QB class is so poor it will be like the WR in 2008. Or for us to do just a little to well, to take the best LT because our QB this year has got us just enough wins.

We risk achieving mediocrity with whatever pick we go with, depriving ourselves of the chance of picking excellence in back to back drafts.

So why not kill two birds with a single stone?

[SABURZFAN]

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The problem is, as I mentioned, it appears that the top juniors at these positions are all murmuring about declaring as juniors.

The cupboard will be empty at these positions next year, so we might end up reaching just to get a player of need in 2011.

I'd personally rather sacrifice a pick next year under such circumstances. It would be just like using the same pick but getting the guy a year earlier.

and this where i have to disagree with you. they don't need to give away draft picks (like they did with Lossman) to get somebody who is not a for sure thing.(like they had with Lossman) the only for sure thing the Bills have are their draft picks. they need to use them in an attempt to solidify other areas of the team. if there was a QB who truly stood out as a Day 1 starter, i would be all for it. i don't see it in this class. so rather than seeing them chase their tail getting a franchise QB that i don't see, i rather see them get a veteran QB who can make this team a little more competitive while they make other areas of the team stronger for the future.

[kernowboy]

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and this where i have to disagree with you. they don't need to give away draft picks (like they did with Lossman) to get somebody who is not a for sure thing.(like they had with Lossman) the only for sure thing the Bills have are their draft picks. they need to use them in an attempt to solidify other areas of the team. if there was a QB who truly stood out as a Day 1 starter, i would be all for it. i don't see it in this class. so rather than seeing them chase their tail getting a franchise QB that i don't see, i rather see them get a veteran QB who can make this team a little more competitive while they make other areas of the team stronger for the future.

Saburz, for me only Locker might be a Losman type. I don't see a franchise QB in 2011 either, and in FA all I see is a series of retreads and has beens

Personally I would like them to draft Sam Bradford.

I would then like them to move back into the draft and grab a starting LT.

After all, if we don't grab a starting LT this year, we're going to have to go into the draft next year to grab one, and I think it is seriously risky hoping a starting LT will slide into R2.

[kernowboy]

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Knowing what we know now for example, would any have objected if we'd given up a 2nd last year, and this year's R1 to grab Michael Oher?

I think if we had, we'd not be looking to draft in the Top10

[X-Era]

Re: Would you trade away next years R1 ...

..... to get both a starting QB and LT in this years draft?

Thinking of the Panthers they gave up a R2 and a R1 the following year to draft Jeff Otah, and I wonder if we might think of doing the same.

Looking at next years QB class, the leading juniors are out this year, with Christian Ponder currently the highest rated senior. Of the juniors (2012 class) if Mallett comes out this year, you've then got Blaine Gabbert, Terelle Pryor etc .... are they anticipated to be better than Bradford, Locker, Clausen etc?

At LT, with the likes of Bryan Bulaga, Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis, Gabe Carimi and Joe Barksdale potentially in the 2010 draft, unless Clint Boling or Blake deChristoper of the 2012 class declare as juniors the LT cupboard in 2011 might be a little bare.

Assessing our needs, might it not be wise to sacrifice our R1 pick next year to get these two needs sorted out once and for all.

Whilst Suh is a headline maker I can see us being able to sign a decent DT like Arthur Jones as low as R3 and I still think Stroud may have a few more miles left in the tank.

Yes.

The team is too young and until our new guys get developed, we can expect questionable play. Id like the development to start as soon as possible.

[Beastie Bills]

Re: Would you trade away next years R1 ...

No, I'd rather get a LT this year, and a QB next year.

[SABURZFAN]

Re: Would you trade away next years R1 ...

Saburz, for me only Locker might be a Losman type. I don't see a franchise QB in 2011 either, and in FA all I see is a series of retreads and has beens

Personally I would like them to draft Sam Bradford.

I would then like them to move back into the draft and grab a starting LT.

After all, if we don't grab a starting LT this year, we're going to have to go into the draft next year to grab one, and I think it is seriously risky hoping a starting LT will slide into R2.

so screw getting a QB in the 1st round, get the starting LT that you want, and roll the dice later in the draft with a different QB. you'd be rolling the dice on Bradford anyways, so what's the difference? then you keep your 1st rounder for next year.

[mikemac2001]

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