Rank these former 1st round QBs

[Coach Sal]

I'm doing some research regarding the Bills potentially drafting a QB in the 1st round. But before I get to the nuts and bolts, I need some feedback.

(I know draz just started a thread about 1R QBs. Not trying to stomp on it, you should check that out too. I'm just trying to get some info, so I apologize draz)...........

Rank these former 1st round QBs in order from best (1) to worst (14), as far as their NFL careers so far.

I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THEIR "VALUE" ACCORDING TO WHERE THEY WERE PICKED. SIMPLY RANKED FROM BEST TO WORST CAREERS SO FAR.

I did not include this last draft (not enough of a body of work yet), and went back 5 years before that, which is about enough to get some data for what I'm looking for:

2004
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman

2005
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

2006
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler

2007
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

Thanks. I'll let this sit for a couple days and get some feedback, then use it for what I'm doing.

[Jaybird]

2004
1-Rivers
2-Big Ben
3-Eli
4-Losman

2005
1-Rodgers
2-Campbell
3-Smith

2006
1-VY
2-Cutler
3-Leinart

2007
1-Quinn
2-Russell

2008
1a-Ryan
1b-Flacco

Just realized you want them ranked from 1-14 not per year

[Forward_Lateral]

2004

Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman
I'd take any of the 3 besides Losman.


2005

Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
I'd take Smith and Rodgers. Campbell hasn't been horrible, Avg at best


2006

Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
I still think Leinart has a shot to be a good QB, Young has proved himself to be nothing but a winner, IMO. Cutler will end up being fine in Chicago.


2007

JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Yuck


2008

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
I'd take either. Both are going to be NFL greats.

Here's my rankings

14. Russell
13. Losman
12. Quinn
11. Leinart
10. Smith
9. Campbell
8. Flacco
7. Cutler
6. Young
5. Ryan
4. Rodgers
3. Manning
2. Big Ben
1. Rivers

[Buckets]

2004
1-Rivers
2-Big Ben
3-Eli
4-Losman

2005
1-Rodgers
2-Campbell
3-Smith

2006
1-VY
2-Cutler
3-Leinart

2007
1-Quinn
2-Russell

2008
1a-Ryan
1b-Flacco

I like it, although Big Ben and Eli might be a toss up

[EricStratton]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Philip Rivers
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Eli Manning
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jay Cutler
8. Vince Young
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. JP Losman
12. Matt Leinart
13. Brady Quinn
14. JaMarcus Russell

[Jaybird]

1-Rivers
2-Rodgers
3-Big Ben
4-Eli
5-VY
6-Cutler
7-Ryan
8-Flacco
9-Campbell
10-Smith
11-Quinn
12-Leinart
13-Losman
14-Russell

[Night Train]

2004 = A- ( Would be an A if Losman didn't ruin it )
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman

2005 = B- ( Rodgers a top starter, Smith has been benched and is getting his 2nd chance,Campbell looks like a backup most games)
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

2006 = B ( Cutler rocky but talented, Young reborn, Leinart had chance and blew it, one last shot if Warner quits soon)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler

2007 = D ( will be a an F if Quinn blows his next and last chance. Russell looking like a top 5 bust all time. )
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

2008 = B+ ( Both played well beyond belief as rookies. Flacco having soph. slump but the OL has issues. Both look like solid long time starters. )
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

[Night Train]

14. Russell
13. Losman
12. Quinn
11. Leinart
10. Smith
9. Campbell
8. Young
7. Flacco
6. Cutler
5. Ryan
4. Rodgers
3. Manning
2. Big Ben
1. Rivers

[Jan Reimers]

2004
3-Eli Manning
2-Philip Rivers
1-Ben Roethlisberger
11-JP Losman

2005
10-Alex Smith
5-Aaron Rodgers
9-Jason Campbell

2006
7-Vince Young
12-Matt Leinart
4-Jay Cutler

2007
13-JaMarcus Russell
14-Brady Quinn

2008
6-Matt Ryan
8-Joe Flacco

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler
Vince Young
Joe Flacco
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Brady Quinn
JP Losman
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russell

[T-Long]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Eli Manning
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jay Cutler
8. Vince Young
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. JP Losman
12. Matt Leinart
13. Brady Quinn
14. JaMarcus Russell

[Demon]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Philip Rivers
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Eli Manning
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jay Cutler
8. Vince Young
9. Jason Campbell
10. Alex Smith
11. JP Losman
12. Matt Leinart
13. Brady Quinn
14. JaMarcus Russell

[Prov401]

I'm doing some research regarding the Bills potentially drafting a QB in the 1st round. But before I get to the nuts and bolts, I need some feedback.

(I know draz just started a thread about 1R QBs. Not trying to stomp on it, you should check that out too. I'm just trying to get some info, so I apologize draz)...........

Rank these former 1st round QBs in order from best (1) to worst (14), as far as their NFL careers so far.

I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THEIR "VALUE" ACCORDING TO WHERE THEY WERE PICKED. SIMPLY RANKED FROM BEST TO WORST CAREERS SO FAR.

I did not include this last draft (not enough of a body of work yet), and went back 5 years before that, which is about enough to get some data for what I'm looking for:

2004
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman

2005
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

2006
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler

2007
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

Thanks. I'll let this sit for a couple days and get some feedback, then use it for what I'm doing.

From worst to best.

14.Russell
13.Losman
12.Quinn
11.Smith
10.Leinart
9.Cambell
8.Flacco
7.Ryan
6.Young
5.Cutler
4.Manning
3.Rivers
2.Rodgers
1.Roethlisberger

[bigbub2352]

Big Ben
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Phillop Rivers
Jay Cutler
Matt Ryan
Vince Young
Joe Flacco
Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Brady Quinn
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russell
JP Losman

We really screwed the pootch not trading up for Big Ben when we had the chance

[trapezeus]

From best to worst with comments!!!
Ben Roethlisberger - 2 superbowls. Until this year has been consistent and has great pocket presence.
Eli Manning - Superbowl winner. Handles the NY media well. rose from what looked to be a possible bust label to win a great superbowl.
Philip Rivers - Consistent winner. no superbowl, but he looks to be in the kelly/marino mold until he wins where he gets credit for playing through pain and constantly getting the team to the playoffs despite bad early starts.
Aaron Rodgers - huge burden to carry as favre's successor. Plays well with a bad line. No real superstars on the offense, yet they are competitive in a cushy division. if he beats favre in the playoffs this year, he'll really find a groove of his own.
Matt Ryan - Falcons do better with him. He's a second year pro having to work through things, but he looks good.
Joe Flacco - gets help from a very balanced o and d, but he looks good from his work as a whole.
Vince Young - was everything everyone wanted, then totally sucked, and then shook off the knocks and raised himself up by the bootstraps. however, inconsistency is his problem. he needs to keep improving.
Jay Cutler - Kind of spiralling downward. but was very good early. perhaps he doesn't have enough tools in chicago. but the INTs at that number is very telling.
Alex Smith - Maybe alex smith and cutler are reversable. cutler keeps falling and alex smith is slowly rising. he is winning games and making good throws. If he keeps this pace, he'd be higher on the list.
Jason Campbell - still a starter on a bad redskins team. they seem to be finding a groove. he takes a beating each and every game. very inconsistent. Brady Quinn - on a pathetically run team. hasn't shown very much. a couple decent games here and there, but a lot of losses.
JP Losman - look at the guys ahead of him. a lot of them didn't have great situations, but found ways to get better. losman didn't do that. he's back from the UFL on the worst run team in football. If he sees the field again, there is no reason to believe he's learned anything. he'll continue to be a big armed qb with a small brain.
Matt Leinart - has no competitive drive at all. how many other first round qb's would let a 35+year old man keep him off the field for nearly 5 years? When he does see the field, there is a huge drop off in play.
JaMarcus Russell - I don't know crap about russell, i've never seen him play. but as a #1 pick, shouldn't he have some highlights that sportscenter, nfl network or cbs/fox/nbc could show? he'll be the new loco's QB in about 5 weeks.


2008

[Mahdi]

1. Manning
2. Rivers
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Rodgers (If Rodgers did more in the playoffs he would be second for me)
5. Cutler
6. Ryan
7. Flacco
8. Young
9. Smith
10. Campbell
11. Quinn
12. Losman
13. Leinart
14. Russell

[Beastie Bills]

1 - Philip Rivers
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Aaron Rodgers
4 - Jay Cutler
5 - Eli Manning
6 - Matt Ryan
7 - Alex Smith
8 - Joe Flacco
9 - Jason Campbell
10 - Vince Young
11 - Matt Leinart
12 - Brady Quinn
13 - JP Losman
14 - JaMarcus Russell

[Coach Sal]

Great feedback.

Keep em coming.

[EDS]

1 - Ben Roethlisberger
2 - Philip Rivers
3 - Aaron Rodgers
4 - Eli Manning
5 - Matt Ryan
6 - Joe Flacco
7 - Jay Cutler
8 - Jason Campbell
9 - Vince Young
10 - Alex Smith
11 - Brady Quinn
12 - Matt Leinart
13 - JP Losman
14 - JaMarcus Russell

That's my list. Personally I like Rodgers. I think too many people are focusing on this year rather then the entirety of the QBs career (i.e., Big Ben has an extraordinary amount of success throughout his career as a whole, but a stinker this year).

Lots of question marks after the top 4 if you ask me.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Seriously, how have some of you put Campbell behing Smith. Jason gets trashed but he's had a good year with a lot less.

[cocamide]

1. Philip Rivers
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Eli Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Jay Cutler
7. Vince Young
8. Alex Smith
9. Joe Flacco
10. Jason Campbell
11. JP Losman
12. Brady Quinn
13. Matt Leinart
14. JaMarcus Russell

[hammerbillsfan]

2004
2 - Eli Manning
3 - Philip Rivers
1 - Ben Roethlisberger
13 - JP Losman

2005
10 - Alex Smith
4 - Aaron Rodgers
8 - Jason Campbell

2006
9 - Vince Young
12 - Matt Leinart
6 - Jay Cutler

2007
14 - JaMarcus Russell
11 - Brady Quinn

2008
7 - Matt Ryan
5 - Joe Flacco

[BlackMetalNinja]

2004
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
JP Losman

2005
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

2006
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler

2007
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

Thanks. I'll let this sit for a couple days and get some feedback, then use it for what I'm doing.

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Philip Rivers
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Eli Manning
5. Matt Ryan
6. Jay Cutler
7. Joe Flacco
8. Vince Young
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. Matt Leinart
12. Brady Quinn
13. J.P. Losman
14. JaMarcus Russell

[RockStar36]

1. Philip Rivers
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Eli Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Vince Young
6. Joe Flacco
7. Matt Ryan
8. Jason Campbell
9. Jay Cutler
10. Alex Smith
11. JP Losman
12. Matt Leinart
13. Brady Quinn
14. JaMarcus Russell

[Mr. Pink]

1-Rivers
2-Roethlisberger
3-Rodgers
4-Flacco
5-Ryan
6-Cutler
7-VY
8-Eli
9-Campbell
10-Smith
11-Leinart
12-Quinn
13-Russell
14-Losman

[YardRat]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Eli Manning
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jay Cutler
8. Vince Young
9. Alex Smith
10. Jason Campbell
11. JP Losman
12. Brady Quinn
13. Matt Leinart
14. JaMarcus Russell

[Nighthawk]

1) Ben Roethlisberger
2) Eli Manning
3) Philip Rivers
4) Aaron Rodgers
5) Jay Cutler
6) Matt Ryan
7) Vince Young
8) Jason Campbell
9) Joe Flacco
10) Alex Smith
11) Brady Quinn
12) Matt Leinart
13) JP Losman
14) JaMarcus Russell

[Ebenezer]

2004
3 - Eli Manning
2 - Philip Rivers
1 - Ben Roethlisberger
11 - JP Losman

2005
10 - Alex Smith
4 - Aaron Rodgers
9 - Jason Campbell

2006
5 - Vince Young
13 - Matt Leinart
6 - Jay Cutler

2007
14 - JaMarcus Russell
12 - Brady Quinn

2008
8 - Matt Ryan
7 - Joe Flacco

NB - The class of 2008 gets rated lower because they've not even had two years to prove anything.

[Pinkerton Security]

1) Phillip Rivers
2) Ben Roethlisberger
2) Eli Manning
4) Aaron Rodgers
5) Jay Cutler
6) Matt Ryan
7) Joe Flacco
8) Vince Young
9) Jason Campbell
10) Alex Smith
11) Brady Quinn
12) Matt Leinart
13) JP Losman
14) JaMarcus Russell

[Ingtar33]

1 - Ben Roethlisberger
2 - Philip Rivers
3 - Eli Manning
4 - Aaron Rodgers
5 - Matt Ryan
6 - Joe Flacco
7 - Jay Cutler
8 - Vince Young
9 - Jason Campbell
10- Matt Leinart
11- JP Losman
12- Alex Smith
13- Brady Quinn
14 -JaMarcus Russell


1 and 2 were the hardest for me to rate. i went with the guy who won more, and has two superbowl rings in the end.

[Yasgur's Farm]

In the world of what have you done for me lately...

1 - Philip Rivers
2 - Aaron Rodgers
3 - Ben Roethlisberger
4 - Eli Manning
5 - Vince Young
6 - Jason Campbell
7 - Joe Flacco
8 - Alex Smith
9 - Matt Ryan
10 - Jay Cutler
11 - Brady Quinn
12 - JaMarcus Russell
13 - Matt Leinart
14 - JP Losman

[Don't Panic]

I'd take any one of the consensus top 10.... 10/14 isn't bad odds. I bet Bradford shows up at about 8 or 9 on that least in a couple of years. Is that worth the #9 pick?

[Yasgur's Farm]

I'd take any one of the consensus top 10.... 10/14 isn't bad odds. I bet Bradford shows up at about 8 or 9 on that least in a couple of years. Is that worth the #9 pick?Nope... Not when we can sign the number 6 guy (Campbell) in March.

[Bravo82]

1 - Rivers
2 - Rodgers
3 - Eli
4 - Big Ben
5 - Matt Ryan
6 - Joe Flacco
7 - Jay Cutler
8 - Vince Young
9 - J.P.
10 - Jason Campbell
11 - Brady Quinn
12 - Matt Leinart
13 - Alex Smith
14 - JaMarcus Russell

[MikeInRoch]

1. Philip Rivers
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Matt Ryan
5. Eli Manning
6. Joe Flacco
7. Vince Young
8. Jay Cutler
9. Jason Campbell
10. Alex Smith
11. JP Losman
12. Brady Quinn
13. Matt Leinart
14. JaMarcus Russell

Those last four could pretty much be in any order, with the ranking "suck".

[Dr. Lecter]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Eli Manning
3. Philip Rivers
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jay Cutler
8. Jason Campbell
9. Vince Young
10. Alex Smith
11. Brady Quinn
12. J.P. Losman
13. Matt Leinart
14. JaMarcus Russell

Russell is one of the worst QBs I have ever seen play.

[Griff]

2004
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
JP Losman

2005
Aaron Rodgers
Alex Smith
Jason Campbell

2006
Vince Young
Jay Cutler
Matt Leinart

2007
Brady Quinn
JaMarcus Russell

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco

I think Ben, Rivers and Rodgers are all great QBs, Young just wins, Eli and Culter have great potential, Leinart and Smith seem like average at best QBs, 2007 and JP was the suck, its too soon to comment on 2008.

[Beastie Bills]

1 - Rivers
2 - Rodgers
3 - Eli
4 - Big Ben
5 - Matt Ryan
6 - Joe Flacco
7 - Jay Cutler
8 - Vince Young
9 - Alex Smith
10 - Jason Campbell
11 - Brady Quinn
12 - Matt Leinart
13 - J.P. Losman
14 - JaMarcus Russell

There, I fixed it for you.

[The Juice Is Loose]

I can't believe you guys would put Rivers over Rodgers.

I know we don't get many San Diego games out here in the east but all Rivers does is throw screens.

He's also in, by far, the worst division in football.

Rodgers over Rivers every day of the week. He actually has an arm and can make downfield throws.

[Beastie Bills]

I can't believe you guys would put Rivers over Rodgers.

I know we don't get many San Diego games out here in the east but all Rivers does is throw screens.

He's also in, by far, the worst division in football.

Rodgers over Rivers every day of the week. He actually has an arm and can make downfield throws.

I think they're pretty close. Rodgers is a better downfield passer, but he holds onto the ball WAYYYYYYY too long.

[Beastie Bills]

I think they're pretty close. Rodgers has a better deep ball, but he holds onto the ball WAYYYYYYY too long.

[Don't Panic]

Nope... Not when we can sign the number 6 guy (Campbell) in March.

You can sign him if you want to give up a 1st round pick... he is an RFA and almost certainly will be tendered.

[The Juice Is Loose]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Eli Manning
3. Philip Rivers
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Jay Cutler
8. Jason Campbell
9. Vince Young
10. Alex Smith
11. Brady Quinn
12. J.P. Losman
13. Matt Leinart
14. JaMarcus Russell

Russell is one of the worst QBs I have ever seen play.
Listen, I know that Ben and Eli have Super Bowl rings. That's great, and its something that anybody arguing in favor of them will always have to say. But if we're basing this on their ability to play Quarterback in the NFL, you can't have them 1 and 2.

First off, Ben is on a 5 game losing streak including losses to KC and Cle. Great QB's don't lose those games, period.

Also, if we're basing it on pure QB play, Rodgers has to be #1. He's in a tougher division, he has the best arm of all of these guys, and he plays the QB position the way its supposed to be played.

Here's my list:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Eli Manning
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Ben Rapelisberger - Holds the ball way too long. Costs his team as much as he gets them. Also, their offensive coordinator is putting it in his hands too much.
5. Jay Cutler - Bad year, he'll bounce back.
6. Matt Ryan
7. Joe Flacco
8. Vince Young
9. Jason Campbell
10. Alex Smith
11. Matt Leinert
12. Brady Quinn
13. JP LossMan
14. JaSuckus Russell

[Forward_Lateral]

Listen, I know that Ben and Eli have Super Bowl rings. That's great, and its something that anybody arguing in favor of them will always have to say. But if we're basing this on their ability to play Quarterback in the NFL, you can't have them 1 and 2.

First off, Ben is on a 5 game losing streak including losses to KC and Cle. Great QB's don't lose those games, period.

Also, if we're basing it on pure QB play, Rodgers has to be #1. He's in a tougher division, he has the best arm of all of these guys, and he plays the QB position the way its supposed to be played.

Here's my list:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Eli Manning
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Ben Rapelisberger - Holds the ball way too long. Costs his team as much as he gets them. Also, their offensive coordinator is putting it in his hands too much.
5. Jay Cutler - Bad year, he'll bounce back.
6. Matt Ryan
7. Joe Flacco
8. Vince Young
9. Jason Campbell
10. Alex Smith
11. Matt Leinert
12. Brady Quinn
13. JP LossMan
14. JaSuckus Russell

So, after writing what you wrote about winning superbowls, you put Eli #2.

[Forward_Lateral]

I can see an argument for Big Ben, even Eli being #1 over Rivers, but Rodgers? Come on. He's good, yes, but he's nowhere near those 3, at least not yet.

[Ingtar33]

Listen, I know that Ben and Eli have Super Bowl rings. That's great, and its something that anybody arguing in favor of them will always have to say. But if we're basing this on their ability to play Quarterback in the NFL, you can't have them 1 and 2.

First off, Ben is on a 5 game losing streak including losses to KC and Cle. Great QB's don't lose those games, period.

Also, if we're basing it on pure QB play, Rodgers has to be #1. He's in a tougher division, he has the best arm of all of these guys, and he plays the QB position the way its supposed to be played.

Here's my list:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Eli Manning
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Ben Rapelisberger - Holds the ball way too long. Costs his team as much as he gets them. Also, their offensive coordinator is putting it in his hands too much.
5. Jay Cutler - Bad year, he'll bounce back.
6. Matt Ryan
7. Joe Flacco
8. Vince Young
9. Jason Campbell
10. Alex Smith
11. Matt Leinert
12. Brady Quinn
13. JP LossMan
14. JaSuckus Russell


so in other words you put a guy who's a 5 year pro who never never lead a team to the playoffs or been selected to a pro bowl and who gets sacked more often then Robo-sack ahead of a career 90 rated passer who won 2 superbowls and has started nearly every game since his rookie year, while leading his team to 4 playoffs 3 division championships and 3 AFC championship games. and who holds many of the Steelers records as well as over 10 NFL records for QBs (good records), even sharing some records with the great Payton Manning.

your logic knows no bounds.

anyone who puts Aaron Rodgers over Rivers, Manning or Roethlesburger is smoking some fine weed.

[DraftBoy]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Philip Rivers
3. Eli Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Alex Smith
8. Jay Cutler
9. Jason Campbell
10. Vince Young
11. Matt Leinart
12. JP Losman
13. Brady Quinn
14. JaMarcus Russell

I rank Cutler much lower than many guys because he just kills teams with his turnovers. Same with Campbell at this point. Smith appears to have turned it around and is really looking like a legit NFL starting QB out there.

[Griff]

I think they're pretty close. Rodgers is a better downfield passer, but he holds onto the ball WAYYYYYYY too long.

so does Ben

[Forward_Lateral]

I think the general consensus so far is that Russell, is by far the worst.

[Beastie Bills]

so does Ben

What are you talking about?

Juice was saying that Rodgers is better than Rivers. So I said that Rodgers holds onto the ball too long. I never said anything about Ben.

[Mr. Pink]

I rank Cutler much lower than many guys because he just kills teams with his turnovers. Same with Campbell at this point. Smith appears to have turned it around and is really looking like a legit NFL starting QB out there.

I ranked Eli much lower than anyone else did because of the same reason.

Eli and ball security are two words that don't go together.

[THRILLHO]

14. Jamarcus Russell
13. Matt Leinart
12. JP Losman
11. Brady Quinn
10. Alex Smith
09. Jason Cambell
08. Vince Young
07. Aaron Rodgers
06. Jay Cutler
05. Eli Manning
04. Joe Flacco*
03. Matt Ryan*
02. Philip Rivers
01. Ben Roethlisberger


*I think it is too early to put them in a ranking, they have had shorter careers, and therefore less time to screw up. I hate having Manning ranked lower than them with a SB ring.

[Jan Reimers]

I don't see how anyone can rank Leinart, Quinn or Russell higher than JP.

[RockStar36]

Listen, I know that Ben and Eli have Super Bowl rings. That's great, and its something that anybody arguing in favor of them will always have to say. But if we're basing this on their ability to play Quarterback in the NFL, you can't have them 1 and 2.

First off, Ben is on a 5 game losing streak including losses to KC and Cle. Great QB's don't lose those games, period.

Also, if we're basing it on pure QB play, Rodgers has to be #1. He's in a tougher division, he has the best arm of all of these guys, and he plays the QB position the way its supposed to be played.

Here's my list:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Eli Manning
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Ben Rapelisberger - Holds the ball way too long. Costs his team as much as he gets them. Also, their offensive coordinator is putting it in his hands too much.
5. Jay Cutler - Bad year, he'll bounce back.
6. Matt Ryan
7. Joe Flacco
8. Vince Young
9. Jason Campbell
10. Alex Smith
11. Matt Leinert
12. Brady Quinn
13. JP LossMan
14. JaSuckus Russell

This post makes me want to argue in defense of the Steelers.

That's how you know it's a terrible post.

[Yasgur's Farm]

You can sign him if you want to give up a 1st round pick... he is an RFA and almost certainly will be tendered.I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. He's coming off his 5 year rookie contract... That does not constitute RFA status.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=3137

[Nighthawk]

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Philip Rivers
3. Eli Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Alex Smith
8. Jay Cutler
9. Jason Campbell
10. Vince Young
11. Matt Leinart
12. JP Losman
13. Brady Quinn
14. JaMarcus Russell

I rank Cutler much lower than many guys because he just kills teams with his turnovers. Same with Campbell at this point. Smith appears to have turned it around and is really looking like a legit NFL starting QB out there.

Campbell is not bad with ball security.