Where are all the "meaningless wins" so many talk about?

**WeAreArthurMoates** · 12-21-2009, 10:07 AM

Re: Where are all the "meaningless wins" so many talk about?

I'm never for the agruement of losing to get a better draft pick. The only reason I was rooting for losses was so this coaching staff would get an overhaul. Right now it's looking like this, as bad as our offense is, playing a tampa 2 speed defense in this type of climate is moronic. Can't wait for the new staff.

**justasportsfan** · 12-21-2009, 10:07 AM

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I hate losing I enjoy winning.

**Ebenezer** · 12-21-2009, 10:10 AM

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It is never better regardless where they pick because of the same FO doing the picking for the last 10 years. The only difference, really, has been the axing of TD.

**Historian** · 12-21-2009, 10:18 AM

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I'm with Sal on this one.

Winning breeds winning.

Losing.........puh!

**trapezeus** · 12-21-2009, 10:20 AM

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i think this year is an exception, if Ralph is true to his word. Lose out and get new people who no longer are making cases for mediocre players. i want the bills to show themselves player by player as to who truly has no talent and who has a little fight in them. I don't really care about the W's and L's this year. i want to see if the people like Fred Jackson show the next guy that he has some servicable people. and the likes of denney, kelsay, mitchell, etc show themselves as losers and will be off this team.

**ddaryl** · 12-21-2009, 10:40 AM

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LMFAO.. You didn't debunk **** Sal...

1st of all I never asked for losses in the years before this one, but after so many years of seeing the playoff light at the end of the tunnel only to see this team just piss it away when it did matter is the reason why I have no desire at all to see the Bills win one more game this year.

Look at all the winning those early wins have bred us down the stretch.... Heck we won more games last season and look at what all that winning did for us this year.... We're considerably worse this season then last season

and I want a higher draft pick for the selfish reason that the only thing enjoyable about Bills football is the offseason, and that becomes more enjoyable for me with a higher pick that we can get a top player or trade back for picks. I really feel this is in the best interest of the Bills moving forward and the best interest in a new GM / HC that will be coming to Buffalo. They are going to want ot make some changes and a higher draft pick supplies some ammunition to do that.

I'm pissing my pants because I am laughing so hard at the notion that somehow any win we had this season is going to breed more wins next year. We all know we have a talent deficiency, and the only way to improve a talent deficinecy is to bring in talent, and the most likely way we are going to build a real team is via the draft, and the odds of getting that coveted player in the draft improves if you have your choice, and the best way to have that choice is to pick earlier then other teams.

but I do sincerely hope everyone who wants these wins is enjoying them, like KC last week. That is sure going to go a long ways towards making us a Superbowl contender in 2010... LMAO

All I know is that a new HC and a GM can change the attitude in Buffalo for next year, but no matter how I look at it I see not one single argument here or anywhere's that says THIS TEAM would be better off winning now and that will translate into a playoff tam in 2010.. Winning this year has nothing to do with it, a real GM/talent evaluator, new coaches, and a few player additions however can make that difference...

There are numeorus players in previous drafts that I wish the Bills had a chance at but because they didn't have a high enough draf tposition they had no chance at those players... OR I would liek to see the Bills trade back and pick up extra day 1 picks but because they weren't drafting high enough the return on vlaue fo r thier pick dictated that it wasn't worth trading back...

**mikemac2001** · 12-21-2009, 10:43 AM

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patrick willis would look very nice in a bills uni

im all for winning but i also no the odd's

we have better odd's to get the player we want if we didn't win pointless games.... yes winning is great but this year i don't see why it matters there cleaning house.

**yordad** · 12-21-2009, 10:43 AM

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I'm with ddaryl.

**djjimkelly** · 12-21-2009, 10:45 AM

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i can see arguments for both sides

since this coaching staff and these qbs wont be back in any real form next year

i think winning and continuity are meaningless

now if we had a 1st year HC and some serious things set in stone on this roster i would agree winning is where it is at.

HOWEVER i truly dont think much of this roster will be around for the long term so how these guys egos get stroked is meaningless to me.

right now with new GM new HC coming in better draft pick is better because i have to hope the next decisions makers at 1 bills drive will do a better job

**yordad** · 12-21-2009, 10:51 AM

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One win can seriously have a 6+ pick swing. That can be a huge difference. Especially at the top of the draft.

**Coach Sal** · 12-21-2009, 10:55 AM

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ddaryl, it's not about winning now for next year.

See the forrest through the trees.

It's about winning now and every game and changing a culture to one in which winning is the only acceptable outcome. For now. For next year. For every year.

It has to start at some point.

I'll use a recent college example. Temple hadn't had even a winning season in 19 years! Al Golden was hired, they go 9-3 and get into a bowl game. His quote:
"We had to change the culture. There was a losing mindset."

Yes, it can be done. But not by continually thinking losing is ok.

**justasportsfan** · 12-21-2009, 11:00 AM

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losing out for a better draft pick is like saving the last piece of chocolate mousse for dinner then your brother comes in and eats it an hour later. Enjoy the present because no one knows what the future brings.

**Mahdi** · 12-21-2009, 11:09 AM

Re: Where are all the "meaningless wins" so many talk about?

Originally posted by Coach Sal

ddaryl, it's not about winning now for next year.

See the forrest through the trees.

It's about winning now and every game and changing a culture to one in which winning is the only acceptable outcome. For now. For next year. For every year.

It has to start at some point.

I'll use a recent college example. Temple hadn't had even a winning season in 19 years! Al Golden was hired, they go 9-3 and get into a bowl game. His quote:
"We had to change the culture. There was a losing mindset."

Yes, it can be done. But not by continually thinking losing is ok.

I agree with what you are saying however this team is going to be going through major changes in player personnel and front office.

We have a talent deficiency and we need valuable assets. A high pick in the top 10 is a valuable asset that can be converted into more picks or an elite player. We always seem to be picking once all the cream of the crop are gone and missing out on the best players.

I really dont think beating KC was a move for the future especially considering our coach, QB, LT, GM and scouting department are unknowns going into next year.

**yordad** · 12-21-2009, 11:09 AM

Re: Where are all the "meaningless wins" so many talk about?

Originally posted by Coach Sal

ddaryl, it's not about winning now for next year.

See the forrest through the trees.

It's about winning now and every game and changing a culture to one in which winning is the only acceptable outcome. For now. For next year. For every year.

It has to start at some point.

I'll use a recent college example. Temple hadn't had even a winning season in 19 years! Al Golden was hired, they go 9-3 and get into a bowl game. His quote:
"We had to change the culture. There was a losing mindset."

Yes, it can be done. But not by continually thinking losing is ok.

But, did that change come from winning two games the prior your in stead of one, or did it come from getting a new coach?

Where are all the "meaningless wins" so many talk about?

Where are all the "meaningless wins" so many talk about?

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