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Pinkerton Security
12-23-2009, 02:25 PM
Buffalo Bills (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf) (Spring grade: B+)
No question Aaron Maybin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12456) has underperformed after a late start. Oddly, though, erase the disappointment of that pick and this group looks good. Eric Wood (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12627) started before he was hurt, and Andy Levitre is starting. Jairus Byrd (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12613) looks like a good one. Shawn Nelson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12547) is starting. Nic Harris (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12529) could develop. I'll drop the grade because Maybin has disappointed, but depth is there, and that many starts out of any group is impressive.
Current Grade: B



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Beastie Bills
12-23-2009, 02:30 PM
Imagine if we had taken Orakpo
Italian Stallion
12-23-2009, 02:31 PM
Those starts are because of injury Mel...do a little research thanks
RockStar36
12-23-2009, 02:32 PM
Imagine if we had taken Orakpo

Does he have the same impact on Buffalo?

Or is he standing on the sidelines because Buffalo still has the same inept coaches?

I'm going with the second choice.
Ingtar33
12-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Does he have the same impact on Buffalo?

Or is he standing on the sidelines because Buffalo still has the same inept coaches?

I'm going with the second choice.


considering Byrd only saw the field when we lost our starting 2 safeties i'm with you on this . they had Byrd on the team and he never would have played had those injuries not happened.

that is inept coaching.
Griff
12-23-2009, 02:53 PM
DJ could've had Peyton Manning and LT and turned them into Ryan Leaf and Ron Dayne.
Ebenezer
12-23-2009, 03:10 PM
Those starts are because of injury Mel...do a little research thanks
That's not true. Wood, Levitre and Nelson all started against NE in the first game.
trapezeus
12-23-2009, 03:32 PM
i wonder how kiper regraded the 2006 bills draft. whitner, mccargo,simpson, and a promising youboty all hoping to see the field.and kyle williams playing ok.

but as we know now, whitner and mccargo, busts, simpson super bust, and youboty, if he played more than 6 games, he might be eligible to be considered as a bust based on play. Instead we call him a bust because he just never got on the field.
Mahdi
12-23-2009, 03:52 PM
That's not true. Wood, Levitre and Nelson all started against NE in the first game.
Nelson only started after Schouman AND Fine were injured.
yordad
12-23-2009, 04:06 PM
considering Byrd only saw the field when we lost our starting 2 safeties i'm with you on this . they had Byrd on the team and he never would have played had those injuries not happened.

that is inept coaching.Bryd may only have been taken out of the starting lineup because Bryd was injured. You are kidding yourselves if yall think Orakpo wouldn't forced his way on the field somewhere. And for another thing, he signed right out of the gates and reported for everything.
yordad
12-23-2009, 04:10 PM
Nelson only started after Schouman AND Fine were injured.I think Shouman would have been better this year, but now Nelson has got himself some significant experience and I believe this will benefit the Bills more in the long run.
yordad
12-23-2009, 04:11 PM
Imagine if we had taken OrakpoWouldn't that have been amazing?
Ebenezer
12-23-2009, 04:21 PM
Nelson only started after Schouman AND Fine were injured.
According to NFL.com Nelson has played in 11 games and started them all.

http://www.nfl.com/players/shawnnelson/profile?id=NEL713868
Mahdi
12-23-2009, 04:29 PM
According to NFL.com Nelson has played in 11 games and started them all.

http://www.nfl.com/players/shawnnelson/profile?id=NEL713868
We all know Nelson only started after Schou and Fine went down.
qcsabresfan84
12-24-2009, 12:06 AM
It doesn't really matter if you get a start because of injury. A start is a start. Think about it, why did Tom Brady get his first start?
Demon
12-24-2009, 12:08 AM
We all know Nelson only started after Schou and Fine went down.

I do think Shoumann would have played a lot because of his blocking and our weak offensive line. However, i don't see what the big deal is about Derek Fine. I liked him coming out of Kansas, but he to me shows little to non NFL potential. Nelson would have destroyed him in playing time if he had been healthy.
djjimkelly
12-24-2009, 12:09 AM
DJ could've had Peyton Manning and LT and turned them into Ryan Leaf and Ron Dayne.

but of course when it comes to JP its all JP's fault :)
Dying_-2-_Live
12-24-2009, 12:45 AM
This years draft wasnt to bad... but i think a B is slightly generous
Crisis
12-24-2009, 03:20 AM
but of course when it comes to JP its all JP's fault :)

are you related to jp or something?
Night Train
12-24-2009, 06:27 AM
Back to the original post...overall, this Bills draft seems promising in terms of numbers that can help the team long term.
Jan Reimers
12-24-2009, 07:11 AM
considering Byrd only saw the field when we lost our starting 2 safeties i'm with you on this . they had Byrd on the team and he never would have played had those injuries not happened.

that is inept coaching.
It seems that over the last few years, our coaching staff has been among the most reluctant in the league to play its rookies. Only when we have virtually no one at a position, or when a position gets decimated by injury, does a rookie get to play - witness Wood, Levitre, Nelson and Byrd this year.

Who knows if Maybin would have played - and maybe played decently - had we not had veteran (although mediocre) players in front of him at DE and LB?
MikeInRoch
12-24-2009, 07:50 AM
That's what happens when you have a coaching staff that is playing for their job. Screw the future, we must win NOW.
DraftBoy
12-24-2009, 08:00 AM
I think he's being way too generous in his grade. Id go C+, C.
Goobylal
12-24-2009, 09:17 AM
A "B" regrade is generous? Wood, Levitre, and Nelson were outright starters, and while they had their hiccups, showed great promise. Byrd became a starter and is a stud, and given his recovery from surgery, missing so much time, and being a rookie, I can't really fault the coaching staff for not starting him sooner (but I can fault his ahole agent, the odious Eugene Parker, for delaying his surgery for contract reasons). Harris and Palmer (although undrafted) could be future starters at LB'er once they add more weight and strength. Meredith, although not a Bills rookie draft pick, could turn out to be something.

As for Maybin, the Bills should have been playing him at OLB. That one I put on the coaching staff. I'm not ready to write him off because he's just 21 years old.
Mahdi
12-24-2009, 09:37 AM
A "B" regrade is generous? Wood, Levitre, and Nelson were outright starters, and while they had their hiccups, showed great promise. Byrd became a starter and is a stud, and given his recovery from surgery, missing so much time, and being a rookie, I can't really fault the coaching staff for not starting him sooner (but I can fault his ahole agent, the odious Eugene Parker, for delaying his surgery for contract reasons). Harris and Palmer (although undrafted) could be future starters at LB'er once they add more weight and strength. Meredith, although not a Bills rookie draft pick, could turn out to be something.

As for Maybin, the Bills should have been playing him at OLB. That one I put on the coaching staff. I'm not ready to write him off because he's just 21 years old.
Byrd's agent is Parker???

I dont like Byrd no more.
Goobylal
12-24-2009, 12:37 PM
Byrd's agent is Parker???
Yes, unfortunately.


I dont like Byrd no more.
Byrd hasn't done anything to make him unlikeable...yet. And hopefully doesn't.
Pinkerton Security
12-24-2009, 12:46 PM
I think he's being way too generous in his grade. Id go C+, C.

how so?

If Nelson pans out (he seems to be a very good pass catching TE, needs to work on blocking), then we have 4 potential above-average starters from this class, maybe more. Byrd is a playmaker, Wood and Levitre look like they definitely have promise as reliable starters for years, and Nelson I've explained.

You apparently place much more emphasis on Maybin not contributing at all as of yet. However, you can write him off as a bust yet, but when that does happen I could agree with you.