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patmoran2006

01-14-2010, 04:27 PM

I am so fired up right now, I may call and have that billboard changed tomorrow to

"Dear Ralph Wilson"
WTF!

Novacane

01-14-2010, 04:28 PM

Lying about what?

T-Long

01-14-2010, 04:34 PM

That Ralph isn't interested in Marty or Billick

patmoran2006

01-14-2010, 04:35 PM

clayton said that Ralph Wilson was the one not interested in Billick. Or in Marty Schottenheimer (from what I was told)

patmoran2006

01-14-2010, 04:35 PM

"committment to winning" my balls

WeAreArthurMoates

01-14-2010, 04:36 PM

Seriously, this is the same guy who said Grimm wont interview. His sources suck, if he was still relevant he would of broken the Carroll to Seahawk story especially seeing he lives in Seattle.

sillenb61

01-14-2010, 04:41 PM

I am so fired up right now, I may call and have that billboard changed tomorrow to

"Dear Ralph Wilson"
WTF!

Do it pat change it!

DrGraves

01-14-2010, 04:43 PM

pat you should just put your avatar picture on the billboard and have it say something like '"scrooge, i mean ralph, thanks for 50 years of stealing bills fans sanity and money"

FlyingDutchman

01-14-2010, 04:44 PM

Where is Salisbury when you need him to put Clayton in his place

sillenb61

01-14-2010, 04:45 PM

Should change it to:

Ralph its either an experinced head coach or empty seats!

SabreEleven

01-14-2010, 04:46 PM

Ralph wouldn't know what WTF means.

Jan Reimers

01-14-2010, 04:46 PM

Settle down, guys. You're acting like a bunch of petulant children.

patmoran2006

01-14-2010, 04:46 PM

SabreEleven

01-14-2010, 04:46 PM

Should change it to:

Ralph its either an experinced head coach or empty seats!

Let's not beat around the bush.. How about:

Ralph, Sell the team.

wmoz11

01-14-2010, 04:47 PM

This is a guy that said "Brian and Marty Schottenheimer to Buffalo is picking up steam" or something to that effect. He's trying to save face, IMO.

Of course our owner is Ralph Wilson.

tatersalad

01-14-2010, 04:48 PM

WTF= wheres the fans

Demon

01-14-2010, 04:52 PM

This is a guy that said "Brian and Marty Schottenheimer to Buffalo is picking up steam" or something to that effect. He's trying to save face, IMO.

Of course our owner is Ralph Wilson.

Exactly. LOL Clayton sucks.

SabreEleven

01-14-2010, 04:52 PM

Settle down, guys. You're acting like a bunch of petulant children.

10 years of no playoffs will do that to you.

Jan Reimers

01-14-2010, 05:04 PM

10 years of no playoffs will do that to you.
I've put up with the Bills for 50 years. Maybe I've just gotten too old to get so angry, or simply resigned to the mediocrity.

But I'm still hopeful.

Bert102176

01-14-2010, 05:22 PM

I've put up with the Bills for 50 years. Maybe I've just gotten too old to get so angry, or simply resigned to the mediocrity.

But I'm still hopeful.

I've only been around 33 years but I try to be hopeful

SabreEleven

01-14-2010, 06:10 PM

I've put up with the Bills for 50 years. Maybe I've just gotten too old to get so angry, or simply resigned to the mediocrity.

But I'm still hopeful.

You and the whole city, IMO. Buffalo always settles for losers.

Aliceinchainsbills15

01-14-2010, 06:22 PM

I am so fired up right now, I may call and have that billboard changed tomorrow to

"Dear Ralph Wilson"
WTF! I want to punch Ralph in the face. Cheap b******:chair:

Michael82

01-14-2010, 06:26 PM

I am so fired up right now, I may call and have that billboard changed tomorrow to

"Dear Ralph Wilson"
WTF!
We still have time to change it.

Dear Ralph,

We want a Splashy Name!

-Paid for by Bills fans tired of losing

Aliceinchainsbills15

01-14-2010, 06:28 PM

AH WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW ANGRY I AM! :fit:

Ron Burgundy

01-14-2010, 06:29 PM

"committment to winning" my balls

I'd rather win a Super Bowl. Sorry, nothing personal.

Aliceinchainsbills15

01-14-2010, 06:30 PM

AH WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW ANGRY I AM! :fit:
When will Ralph get it...oh that's right never!:( It's all about the money...money...:refuse:

Michael82

01-14-2010, 06:46 PM

Dear Ralph,

What happened to the Commitment to Winning?

Paid for by Bills fans sick of your lies!

SABURZFAN

01-14-2010, 06:53 PM

"committment to winning" my balls

:bf1:

now you're starting to see what i've been seeing for the last 40 years.

Hemlepp53

01-14-2010, 07:00 PM

Seriously, this is the same guy who said Grimm wont interview. His sources suck, if he was still relevant he would of broken the Carroll to Seahawk story especially seeing he lives in Seattle.

True that. He should of hit the Carroll coaching job had he anything

I think we are open to every possible HC that fits the mold being described. Watched some pressers from Buddy Nix and he seems to talk a good one at least what we fans want to hear. Lets see what they come up with... It has to be better than the past 10 years production. I am very pumped and really looking forward to Draft Day...

The Jokeman

01-14-2010, 08:03 PM

I never consider Clayton even on the same level as some of the other "insiders"

I didn't say he was telling the truth.

Ralph would literally be the biggest hyocrite ever though is this is true. How in the blue hell could he NOT be interested in Marty Schottenheimer????
Probably because Marty has never kissed Wilson's postier or said great things about him as an owner despite playing for him.

Tailspin

01-14-2010, 08:04 PM

Put a middle finger on the board, Ralphie understood what that meant !

SeatownBillsFan21

01-14-2010, 10:59 PM

Clayton is most likely spot on when the time is right this team will be gone.He does not care is it that hard to read between the lines here 1st Nixs a cheap ass hire and now this s h i t gimme a fing break there is more to this than we the fans know and if you think not you got something coming i will be prepared when the news comes down Mr.Wilson has corked and the Bills will be moving on.

billsfootball8183

01-15-2010, 12:51 AM

WTF= wheres the fans

haha nice one

jcdavey

01-15-2010, 01:16 AM

i know marty's great at at least rebuilding a team, but if your ultimate goal is a superbowl, why in god's name would you want your owner to pursue marty cancer schottenheimer?

Coach Sal

01-15-2010, 05:23 AM

I don't think he's lying. He just doesn't know what he's talking about.

As far as I always knew, Ralph and Marty were close.

I think I remember Marty crying a lot (well, there's a shocker) when Ralph was inducted into the HOF.

I honestly don't know how a man like that can come on local radio and say some of the things he's said over the last 2 months.

Novacane

01-15-2010, 05:38 AM

jesseInEA

01-15-2010, 05:40 AM

Billick: Offensive "genius" who never had a good O in B'more. Also, a big friggin "I'm smarter than you so shut up" ego. I can see why Ralph wouldn't like him.

Marty: He's probably said on one too many occasions that he doesn't want to coach again. Is Ralph wrong for wanting someone who's heart is truly into the job?

Much ado about not much, in this case...

YardRat

01-15-2010, 05:53 AM

I like the Nix hire. If a potential HC doesn't want to work with a solid football guy in the front office, then screw him.

Commissioner

01-15-2010, 06:03 AM

clayton said that Ralph Wilson was the one not interested in Billick. Or in Marty Schottenheimer (from what I was told)

Good... maybe Wilson does have some brains after all....

Commissioner

01-15-2010, 06:04 AM

How in the blue hell could he NOT be interested in Marty Schottenheimer????
Look up the definition of "Marty Ball"....

Marty Ball is a philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy) of football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) associated with and named after coach Marty Schottenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer). In simple terms, it means a focus on the running game, with passing used only to further the running game.
Schottenheimer emphasizes offensive attacks that work as follows:

First down: a rushing play.
Second down: another rushing play.
Third down: a pass attempt.
Fourth down: punt (or field goal, if within range). Fans (and critics) refer to this scheme as "Run, Run, Pass, Punt" (R2P2). Schottenheimer is considered to be a conservatively-minded coach with a majority of his focus on defense. The term "Marty Ball" is generally considered a pejorative because, at times, Schottenheimer will steadfastly continue to emphasize this form of offensive attack while attempting to hold on to a thin lead or when playing from behind - often with negative results.
In terms of regular season play in the NFL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL), Schottenheimer has run Marty Ball very successfully. During his coaching career with the Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns), Kansas City Chiefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs), Washington Redskins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins) and San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers), Schottenheimer has compiled an impressive 200-126-1 record. His teams have won 8 division titles (Browns: 3 times. Chiefs: 3 times. Chargers: Twice.), made 13 trips to the NFL Playoffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Playoffs) (Browns: 4 trips. Chiefs: 7 trips. Chargers: Twice.), and have reached the AFC Championship Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Championship_Game) 3 times (Browns: Twice. Chiefs: Once.). Unfortunately, he has failed to execute Marty Ball in the postseason, where he has an unimpressive 5-13 record and has never reached the Super Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl). This has harmed his coaching reputation and could cost him a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame).
Other coaches

Although Schottenheimer assistants that have gone on to successful head coaching careers--Bill Cowher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cowher), Tony Dungy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dungy), and Herm Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm_Edwards)--have also employed similar strategies of running the football and having a strong defense (also known as Smash Mouth football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_philosophy_%28American_football%29#Smash_Mouth)), none have adopted the Marty Ball approach. Edwards in particular is likely the closest to using the Marty Ball strategy than any other Schottenheimer protege.
Dungy in particular all but abandoned the run-first philosophy during his tenure with the Indianapolis Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts), which normally passes more due to Peyton Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning)'s presence on the team. In addition, Cowher had been known to take more risks (such as making a fourth down conversion) than his mentor during his tenure with the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers), and himself had successful passing offenses with Neil O'Donnell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_O%27Donnell), Ben Roethlisberger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Roethlisberger), and to a lesser extent Tommy Maddox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Maddox) without abandoning the running game. Unlike Schottenheimer, both Cowher and Dungy have both won a Super Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl).
Schottenheimer's final game as a head coach came in the 2006 AFC Divisional Playoff, where his 14-2 Chargers were defeated 24-21 by the New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots). Ironically, the Patriots in 2006 faced three Marty Ball coaches in Edwards (of the Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets)), Schottenheimer, and Dungy; Dungy (the coach least adherent to the Marty Ball philosophy) emerged with a bitterly-fought playoff win.

chernobylwraiths

01-15-2010, 06:33 AM

:bf1:

now you're starting to see what i've been seeing for the last 40 years.

Man! You're OLD!!!

chernobylwraiths

01-15-2010, 06:36 AM

PECKERWOOD

01-15-2010, 07:33 AM

Where is Salisbury when you need him to put Clayton in his place

HAHAH!!! Nobody did that better than Salisbury!! :lolabove:

DraftBoy

01-15-2010, 07:42 AM

No shock about not wanting Billick.

I dont want a coach who doesn't even do his specialty well, and has a bigger ego than any other coach we've had recently.

Marty would shock me a little more, but if its out of respect for Marty's retirement then that's no big deal either.

Talk about overreaction in this thread though.