I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

[Thurmal]

Look at the last few SB-winning coaches:

Tomlin - former defensive coordinator
Coughlin - former defensive coordinator
Dungy - former defensive coordinator
Cowher - former defensive coordinator
Belichick - former defensive coordinator
Gruden - former offensive coordinator

These guys won the last seven Super Bowls. They were all coordinators who eventually succeeded as head coaches. All but one was a defensive coordinator.

Look at the final eight team in the playoffs THIS YEAR:

Minnesota - Childress
Dallas - Phillips
Arizona - Whisenhunt
New Orleans - Payton
San Diego - Turner
New York - Ryan
Indy - Caldwell
Baltimore - Harbaugh

Six of the eight are former coordinators on their FIRST head-coaching job, and the other two (Turner and Phillips) were castoffs that were bemoaned by their respective fanbases when signed.


If you are/were dying for Billick, Cowher, or Shanahan ask yourself one question. How did Jimmy Johnson, Vince Lombardi, and Joe Gibbs do their second time around coaching?

[Michael82]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

You don't understand...it's not the first time head coach that is bugging everybody about Frazier. It's the fact that he's emotionless and sounds like another players coach, like Dick Jauron. He's also another Cover 2 guy! Plus go on Vikings messageboards, they all want to get rid of him.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

yeah i like a frazier hire, at least he wants to be here and his defense is in the top 10.... lets bring him to buffalo and have a great draft and start this thing on a good note...

[Jaybird]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

he is not my first choice for coach. I would prefer a hard nose guy, but if he is hired I am not gonna give up on the team before the season begins.

[Michael82]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

he is not my first choice for coach. I would prefer a hard nose guy, but if he is hired I am not gonna give up on the team before the season begins.

Agreed!

[Thurmal]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

You don't understand...it's not the first time head coach that is bugging everybody about Frazier. It's the fact that he's emotionless and sounds like another players coach, like Dick Jauron. He's also another Cover 2 guy! Plus go on Vikings messageboards, they all want to get rid of him.

Is the Cover 2 all that bad? The Bills LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers and our defense keeps us in most games despite the fact that our offense scores roughly twelve points a game.

Look at Frazier's bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Frazier

He is a winner; everywhere he has gone, the team has improved.

[OpIv37]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

yeah, and for every one of those guys, there are two Mike Mularkey/Gregg Williams types.

[OpIv37]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

Is the Cover 2 all that bad? The Bills LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers and our defense keeps us in most games despite the fact that our offense scores roughly twelve points a game.

Look at Frazier's bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Frazier

He is a winner; everywhere he has gone, the team has improved.

the cover 2 is AWFUL unless you can get a couple of freak athletes like Freeney and Sanders. It's a small D that wears down easily, as Buffalo's last 3 years clearly show.

[Slim]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

I wouldn't be thrilled with Frazier hiring. But it's not because he's "emotionless" or a first time coach. I don't necessarily want a Czar on the Bill's sideline again like Greg Williams either.

Singletary on Frazier: “Leslie can fool you,” Singletary said. “He seems to be a quiet guy, really calm and reserved. But inside of him is a rage. Inside of him is a mad man. He doesn’t let it come out too often, but it’s in there. He does a great job covering it up.”

[Slim]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

He doesn't necessarily run a "Cover 2" either. He runs a 4-3 but since he can get pressure with the front four in Minnesota they run a lot of Cover 2.

[Ingtar33]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

Look at the last few SB-winning coaches:

Tomlin - former defensive coordinator
Coughlin - former defensive coordinator
Dungy - former defensive coordinator
Cowher - former defensive coordinator
Belichick - former defensive coordinator
Gruden - former offensive coordinator

These guys won the last seven Super Bowls. They were all coordinators who eventually succeeded as head coaches. All but one was a defensive coordinator.

Look at the final eight team in the playoffs THIS YEAR:

Minnesota - Childress
Dallas - Phillips
Arizona - Whisenhunt
New Orleans - Payton
San Diego - Turner
New York - Ryan
Indy - Caldwell
Baltimore - Harbaugh

Six of the eight are former coordinators on their FIRST head-coaching job, and the other two (Turner and Phillips) were castoffs that were bemoaned by their respective fanbases when signed.


If you are/were dying for Billick, Cowher, or Shanahan ask yourself one question. How did Jimmy Johnson, Vince Lombardi, and Joe Gibbs do their second time around coaching?

your list is horrible. you're mixing apples and oranges all over this post.


Coughlin - former HEAD COACH (RIT/Boston College/Jacksonville)
Dungy - former HEAD COACH (Tampa)
Belichick - former HEAD COACH (Cleveland/NYJ -all be it for a few days)
Phillips - former HEAD COACH (Buffalo/Denver)
Turner - Former HEAD COACH (Washington/Oakland)
Shanahan - Former HEAD COACH (Oakland - prior to denver)
Johnson - Former HEAD COACH (U.Miami -prior to Dallas)
Payton - Former QUARTERBACK COACH (not a coordinator -prior to NO)
Harbaugh - former SPECIAL TEAMS COACH (not a coordinator)

[Thurmal]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

the cover 2 is AWFUL unless you can get a couple of freak athletes like Freeney and Sanders. It's a small D that wears down easily, as Buffalo's last 3 years clearly show.

If we put two decent guys outside of Posluszny at LB and had another decent pass-rusher (holding out hope for Maybin, ugghhh), our D would be lights out. They performed pretty damn well considering that they're on the field 3/4 of the game.

[Thurmal]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

your list is horrible. you're mixing apples and oranges all over this post.


Coughlin - former HEAD COACH (Jacksonville)
Dungy - former HEAD COACH (Tampa)
Belichick - former HEAD COACH (Cleveland/NYJ -all be it for a few days)
Phillips - former HEAD COACH (Buffalo/Denver)
Turner - Former HEAD COACH (Washington/Oakland)
Shanahan - Former HEAD COACH (Oakland - prior to denver)
Johnson - Former HEAD COACH (U.Miami -prior to Dallas)
Payton - Former QUARTERBACK COACH (not a coordinator -prior to NO)
Harbaugh - former SPECIAL TEAMS COACH (not a coordinator)

Coughlin - FIRED
Dungy - FIRED
Belichick - FIRED
Phillips - FIRED
Turner - FIRED
Shanahan - FIRED

Johnson - SUCKED his second time around (college doesn't count, ask Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier), which proves my original point

Payton/Harbaugh - further proves my point that every great coach got an opportunity somewhere

YOU DON'T NEED A WORLD-BEATER FORMER COACH TO WIN!!!

[Novacane]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

We'll be having this same arguement in 2-3 years when Frazier is fired.

[BillsWin]

Re: I'm Down with a Leslie Frazier hire

Frazier is not good.

Grimm would be a first time head coach too. I's rather have him. This guy wins wherever he goes.