East v. West Shrine Game Official Thread

[DraftBoy]

Let's keep all practice report and game discussion to this thread.

Preview: Part I-East Roster Look
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-preview-Part-I.html

(scroll down a good bit, over a blank white area)

[X-Era]

Stickied, thanks DB!

[DraftBoy]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-preview-Part-II.html

[JCBills]

I'm pumped to see C.J. Wilson and Torrell Troup.

[DraftBoy]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12800436/midlevel-prospects-have-chance-to-make-impression-at-shrine-game

[DraftBoy]

Daryll Clark Added to Shrine Bowl;
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-psubrf.7151535jan19,0,6976781.story

Oregon State OLB Keaton Kristick at Shrine Bowl;
http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/article_6d6c798e-047a-11df-ba2e-001cc4c03286.html

Very underrated DE Chris McCoy out of MTST at Shrine Bowl;
http://www.goblueraiders.com/content.cfm/id/43329

UCF DT Terrell Troup;http://www.cfnews13.com/Sports/CentralFloridaSportsReport/2010/1/18/allstar_players_test_citrus_bowl_field.html

[DraftBoy]

Subtractions and Additions;

Additions/subtractions

There were six subtractions from the East-West Shrine Game rosters as five prospects (East Carolina DE C.J. Wilson, West Virginia QB Jarrett Brown, Fresno State RB Lonyae Miller, Texas DT Lamarr Houston, Mississippi State LB Jamar Chaney) opted to pass up the game to play in the Senior Bowl next week. Kentucky DT Corey Peters will miss because of injury.

New additions to the East-West rosters:

East
Penn State QB Daryll Clark
Middle Tennessee State DE Chris McCoy
Ohio State DT Doug Worthington

West

North Dakota State RB Pat Paschall
Colorado State OL Cole Pemberton
Texas A&M OL Michael Shumard
UNLV DT Martin Tevaseu

[DraftBoy]

East Weigh-In;
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Shrine-Game-weighin-East-roster.html

[DraftBoy]

Practice Report Day 1;
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12805147/shrine-game-practice-reveals-plenty-about-nfl-prospects

West Report;
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2010_east_west_shrine_game_day_1_practice_report_-_west/

East Report;
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2010_east_west_shrine_game_day_1_practice_report_-_east/

[DraftBoy]

So far smaller school players shining through, today the pads come on and that's when the real fun begins!

[we are]

not surprised to see Clark get some praise...however its all fools gold.

[DraftBoy]

not surprised to see Clark get some praise...however its all fools gold.

Clark got killed in the other report.

[psubills62]

Clark got killed in the other report.

I was a little surprised to see that he was prone to fumble when he was under center. Clark was under center quite a bit at PSU, more often than I thought he should be (like when he was getting killed against Iowa). It's not like he has no experience with it. Maybe just nervous or something, I don't know.

[tampabay25690]

not surprised to see Clark get some praise...however its all fools gold.

If he gets drafted will be late...

[DraftBoy]

I was a little surprised to see that he was prone to fumble when he was under center. Clark was under center quite a bit at PSU, more often than I thought he should be (like when he was getting killed against Iowa). It's not like he has no experience with it. Maybe just nervous or something, I don't know.

I read a stat that he took snaps under Center less than 20% of the time, that's not a lot of experience in reality. Offense gets maybe 50-70 snaps a game, so that's 10-14 snaps under center, and on the high end only 154 for the year out of 770. Plus with a brand new OC at the E-W game, he may snap it harder, softer, slower, or faster. Its a feel thing because its a blind hand off. Clark needs to get better though.

[DraftBoy]

Russ Lande's Top Prospects to Watch;
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-01-19/draft-dish-prospects-watch-east-west-shrine-game

A few Q&A's;
http://draftace.com/blog/interviews/shrinegame.htm

[DraftBoy]

Day Two Report:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12809444/pads-bring-focus-on-individual-battles-during-shrine-practice

East Report:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2010_east_west_shrine_game_day_2_practice_report_-_east/

West Report:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2010_east_west_shrine_game_day_2_practice_report_-_west/

[psubills62]

I read a stat that he took snaps under Center less than 20% of the time, that's not a lot of experience in reality. Offense gets maybe 50-70 snaps a game, so that's 10-14 snaps under center, and on the high end only 154 for the year out of 770. Plus with a brand new OC at the E-W game, he may snap it harder, softer, slower, or faster. Its a feel thing because its a blind hand off. Clark needs to get better though.

I'll tell you what...I watched the games and it was a LOT more than 20% of the time.

[psubills62]

Day Two Report:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12809444/pads-bring-focus-on-individual-battles-during-shrine-practice

What's your opinion of Saffold, OT from Indiana? He seems to be doing well in these practices and even before they started practicing, the one report called him "underrated."

[DraftBoy]

I'll tell you what...I watched the games and it was a LOT more than 20% of the time.

I believe you just saying that if its not over 50%, which Im sure its not, he doesnt have much experience doing it compared to other QB's.

[DraftBoy]

Utah NT Paul Tevaseu hopes to impress;
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100119/SPORTS/100119396/1031/SPORTS07?p=2&tc=pg&tc=ar

As does Utah WR David Reed;
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/os-east-west-shrine-notes-0120-20100119,0,367855.story

I also added two more Day 2 Practice Reports

[DraftBoy]

What's your opinion of Saffold, OT from Indiana? He seems to be doing well in these practices and even before they started practicing, the one report called him "underrated."

Very underrated prospect, I had him at 20th OT prospect a few weeks ago but reviewing some tapes and getting reports out of him just killing Greg Hardy in drills, has me moving him up and fast. If he can put it all together on Saturday then he could be a top 12 OT for me.

He anchors well against the bull rush and has the agility to stay with most speed rushers, he needs to refine his skill and work on footwork and hand placement but his raw strength is very apparent.

[psubills62]

Very underrated prospect, I had him at 20th OT prospect a few weeks ago but reviewing some tapes and getting reports out of him just killing Greg Hardy in drills, has me moving him up and fast. If he can put it all together on Saturday then he could be a top 12 OT for me.

He anchors well against the bull rush and has the agility to stay with most speed rushers, he needs to refine his skill and work on footwork and hand placement but his raw strength is very apparent.

I agree, the fact that he was stoning Hardy caught my attention.

So if he makes it to the top 12 OT's...that puts him around 2nd or 3rd rounds? It seems to me that it would be solid if we could go Bulaga/Campbell in round 1 and Saffold in round 3.

[psubills62]

I believe you just saying that if its not over 50%, which Im sure its not, he doesnt have much experience doing it compared to other QB's.

Since I didn't know the exact numbers, I asked around on a PSU forum that I've started reading.

One poster stated that in 2008 (he didn't have the 2009 numbers), Clark took 65% of snaps from under center. I asked him for a source (since everything on message boards requires sources), and he replied that it was simply from watching the game. He apparently watches the film and breaks it down with his own numbers. He has a now-defunct website (http://www.pennstatefilmroom.com/).

I don't mean to be argumentative. My personal guess was that Clark took about 60% of snaps from under center. Also not sure what percent of passing plays were taken from under center...I'd guess around 40%.

[psubills62]

Day 3, East report:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2010_east_west_shrine_game_day_3_practice_report_-_east/

Day 3, West report:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2010_east_west_shrine_game_day_3_practice_report_-_west/

[DraftBoy]

Since I didn't know the exact numbers, I asked around on a PSU forum that I've started reading.

One poster stated that in 2008 (he didn't have the 2009 numbers), Clark took 65% of snaps from under center. I asked him for a source (since everything on message boards requires sources), and he replied that it was simply from watching the game. He apparently watches the film and breaks it down with his own numbers. He has a now-defunct website (http://www.pennstatefilmroom.com/).

I don't mean to be argumentative. My personal guess was that Clark took about 60% of snaps from under center. Also not sure what percent of passing plays were taken from under center...I'd guess around 40%.

Maybe its the new C then, but Ill tell you what all reports Ive read (those posted) and from what Ive heard via emails, texts, and phone calls have Clark as the worst QB there by far. He is now considered undraftable.

[DraftBoy]

Another Wednesday Practice Report:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12814898/risers-and-fallers-from-eastwest-shrine-practices

This is another site that has Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday reports:
Monday-http://www.universaldraft.com/2010/01/19/shrine-practice-report-monday/
Tuesday-http://www.universaldraft.com/2010/01/20/shrine-practice-report-tuesday-east-practice/
Wednesday-http://www.universaldraft.com/2010/01/21/shrine-practice-report-wednesday/

[psubills62]

Maybe its the new C then, but Ill tell you what all reports Ive read (those posted) and from what Ive heard via emails, texts, and phone calls have Clark as the worst QB there by far. He is now considered undraftable.

I guess I'm not too surprised at this point. I saw the one report says he should consider a position change. I'm not sure what happened to him, but I thought he was a lot better than he's been showing. Oh well. He may be athletic enough to catch on somewhere as a ST/RB, like Michael Robinson has.

[DraftBoy]

I guess I'm not too surprised at this point. I saw the one report says he should consider a position change. I'm not sure what happened to him, but I thought he was a lot better than he's been showing. Oh well. He may be athletic enough to catch on somewhere as a ST/RB, like Michael Robinson has.

I dont think he has nearly the same athleticism as Robinson. I dont think Clark has any shot at the NFL at this point, his best bet may be the CFL.

[JCBills]

What the? C.J. Wilson was on the roster last week, and now isn't?

[DraftBoy]

What the? C.J. Wilson was on the roster last week, and now isn't?

Opted out, he's playing in next weekends Senior Bowl.

[JCBills]

Opted out, he's playing in next weekends Senior Bowl.

Oh haha just as good, bummed I have to wait though.

[X-Era]

Gotta agree on Clark, his throwing motion is decent, but he makes bad decisions, has mediocre accuracy, looks clueless at times, and has questionable pocket awareness.

Todd Reesing's up now, I like him as a mid-rounder, hes an unheralded, but fairly solid player.

[psubills62]

I only saw Saffold on a couple of plays. On the one (Kafka run up the middle, QB draw play), he stoned his guy pretty well. I think it was the next play when he got beat, and Kafka almost got sacked (although Saffold's guy was the second one to the QB). Seems like a very interesting prospect, certainly.

I have to say, it's only been a few throws, but Clark looked pretty good. Granted, he almost overthrew a 6'10" guy, but he did put it where only Villanueva could get it.

[X-Era]

So far I like the push that both Alem and Hardy have gotten.

[X-Era]

Reesing looks bad and overwhelmed.

[psubills62]

Reesing looks bad and overwhelmed.
I liked what I saw from Hall (missed the INT and first series or two from him), but Reesing doesn't really look good enough to make up for his height.

Bad screen pass from Clark, just way off the mark. But I liked that last throw (right before the timeout, when Clark threw while getting hit).

EDIT: good throw to Barnes, then a bad throw to Barnes.

[X-Era]

Just when we are all down on Clark, he goes and looks the best out of all the QB's so far. Under threw that pass to Barnes, but he has shown good poise, and has delivered the ball fairly well.

It will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft.

[X-Era]

I liked what I saw from Hall (missed the INT and first series or two from him), but Reesing doesn't really look good enough to make up for his height.

Bad screen pass from Clark, just way off the mark. But I liked that last throw (right before the timeout, when Clark threw while getting hit).

EDIT: good throw to Barnes, then a bad throw to Barnes.

I was a big Hall fan early this year, but he really faded away. Hes a fiery type player, but he has looked pretty bad at times this year.

[X-Era]

Nance is in, I really like him.

[psubills62]

Are they going to give Skelton and Nichols an entire half to play? Is that because they came from small schools, or because they were the best in practices and earned that spot?

[X-Era]

Neither of them is impressing me so far

[psubills62]

Nance is getting some tough yards on a couple runs.

I missed a couple series early on...has Andrew Quarless been involved in the passing game at all so far?

[X-Era]

Nance is getting some tough yards on a couple runs.

I missed a couple series early on...has Andrew Quarless been involved in the passing game at all so far?I haven't noticed him. I don't think hes played yet.

Nance reminds me of a poor mans Jamal Lewis... I hope he gets a chance on the edge to show his burst and his vision.

[X-Era]

Max Hall looking good. Im a fan. This is a guy Id like in a mid round.

[X-Era]

Hall throws for a TD!

[X-Era]

amazing catch by Quarless

[X-Era]

Gutty play by Kafka. I still think hes probably a UDFA

[X-Era]

Quarless TD from Kafka.

[psubills62]

Quarless TD from Kafka.

They finally get Quarless involved in the passing game and they get a TD, no coincidence.

I'm sure it's hard to get players balanced time, but I'm surprised Clark or Skelton didn't get a chance on that last drive. Nice job by Kafka, some good throws there. Barnes showing his stuff as well.

[JCBills]

Anyone notice Torrell Troup either getting a massive push at the line or not giving an inch on a lot of the double teams coming his way?

Uploaded two nice plays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeLhek6HBOM

[DraftBoy]

Hardy and Alem had great games, Pat Paschal also played very well. O'Brien Schofield made a nice transition to LB. Kam Chancellor made some good hits and Jamar Wall had a few nice plays.

Other than that it was very uneventful, all the QB's look mediocre to bad and none stood out. Skelton and Nichols looked hesitant to throw, Clark and Reesing were brutal, and Kafka and Hall were inconsistent.

WR wise Naaman Roosevelt and Blair White were amongst the best of the bunch. Freddie Barnes sadly did not get very much involved which was disappointing.

Overby, Quarless, and Pitta all looked very good.

Both OL at times looked a mess, DT's were getting push, and Hardy and Alem were killing the OT's.


Overall a very poorly played game.