John Guy Fired! [Archive] - BillsZone.com

TrEd FTW

01-20-2010, 10:36 PM

Who was he and what did he do?
Who was he? One of the biggest cancers in the organization last decade. His role was to scout upcoming free agents and advise the franchise on whom to go after. He failed at just about every turn.

Ding dong, one of the witches is dead.

Mitchell55

01-20-2010, 10:42 PM

Who was he? One of the biggest cancers in the organization last decade. His role was to scout upcoming free agents and advise the franchise on whom to go after. He failed at just about every turn.

Ding dong, one of the witches is dead.

So he was part of the reason for Doc and Mitchell

MoormansDaMan

01-20-2010, 10:42 PM

Drinks on me. WoOt!!!

bills4ver

01-20-2010, 10:43 PM

I know he was hired in 2001 in the Donahue era, has been very very poor with everything he's done since he was brought in.

This is VERY good news. Now Modrak!

The Spaz

01-20-2010, 10:44 PM

:clap:

rcd333

01-20-2010, 10:44 PM

their best move this off season

Mudflap1

01-20-2010, 10:45 PM

About time...

Crisis

01-20-2010, 10:48 PM

and i just learned he was black today too!

Beebe's Kid

01-20-2010, 10:49 PM

I know he was hired in 2001 in the Donahue era, has been very very poor with everything he's done since he was brought in.

This is VERY good news. Now Modrak!

Any day now...it was mentioned he may stay through draft, but won't make any impact. He lives in Florida, and really isn't a part of the organization. Buddy isn't going to let him play anyway.

MoormansDaMan

01-20-2010, 10:50 PM

A little concerned on the credibility though...no major sources have it as news

mrbojanglezs

01-20-2010, 10:52 PM

A little concerned on the credibility though...no major sources have it as news

channel 4 news had it on at 11

The Spaz

01-20-2010, 10:52 PM

A little concerned on the credibility though...no major sources have it as news

Channel 13 WHAM

MoormansDaMan

01-20-2010, 10:59 PM

Major...as in PFT, Rotoworld, ESPN. Sorry I didn't clarify.

The Spaz

01-20-2010, 11:00 PM

Major...as in PFT, Rotoworld, ESPN. Sorry I didn't clarify.

Does that mater? 2 local area stations have reported it It's a done deal.

TrEd FTW

01-20-2010, 11:00 PM

Major...as in PFT, Rotoworld, ESPN. Sorry I didn't clarify.
They'll get it when they get it. Nobody cares about John Guy but Bills followers. Bottom line: John Murphy, a Bills employee, reported it. Guy's done.

The Spaz

01-20-2010, 11:00 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/9571/bills-fire-personnel-chief-john-guy

Demon

01-20-2010, 11:01 PM

Nice. Hopefully this isn't the last guy who's fired from that front office. Doubt Modrak goes, but more people need to be responsible for the disaster that has been the Bills the last decade.

Beebe's Kid

01-20-2010, 11:01 PM

Major...as in PFT, Rotoworld, ESPN. Sorry I didn't clarify.

The ones that kept us informed with "Up-to-the-minute" info on the coaching search?

Philagape

01-20-2010, 11:01 PM

A little concerned on the credibility though...no major sources have it as news

Murph is the Bills radio announcer ... I think he just may know some people

clumping platelets

01-20-2010, 11:04 PM

Will this make Charles Barkley mad again?

BillsWin

01-20-2010, 11:11 PM

A step in the right direction!!! Good riddance.

THRILLHO

01-20-2010, 11:13 PM

Sawwwwweeeeeeeeet.

And for those of us not familiar with the whole Charles Barkley thing, please enlighten?

raphael120

01-20-2010, 11:15 PM

bout effin time. now modrak. hopefully they now replace guy with a better talent evaluator, and thats where buddy's background and connections come into play

Dicknoze69

01-20-2010, 11:15 PM

Sawwwwweeeeeeeeet.

And for those of us not familiar with the whole Charles Barkley thing, please enlighten?

He said we didn't hire Frazier because he was black.

Romes

01-20-2010, 11:21 PM

:bf1:

I wonder why they waited so long to announce this. It would have relieved the sting of the Gailey hire a bit.

plundar

01-20-2010, 11:22 PM

:dance3:

BillsWin

01-20-2010, 11:23 PM

I am so happy I had to revisit the thread to make sure it wasn't a dream.

Michael82

01-20-2010, 11:27 PM

Excellent news! It sounds like, now that Nix is done hiring the new Head Coach, he has some time to take care of the front office. Getting rid of Guy is a great start. Hopefully he's not done...

Dicknoze69

01-20-2010, 11:28 PM

:bf1:

I wonder why they waited so long to announce this. It would have relieved the sting of the Gailey hire a bit.

Yeah releasing it this late at night is a bit odd. They should have announced it today to take everyone's mind off of Gailey.

northernbillfan

01-20-2010, 11:42 PM

A little concerned on the credibility though...no major sources have it as newsGoogle news search on John Guy (http://news.google.ca/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=ca&hl=en&q=John+Guy)

northernbillfan

01-20-2010, 11:43 PM

And the Bills official site says "relieved of duties"

ServoBillieves

01-20-2010, 11:48 PM

So he was part of the reason for Doc and Mitchell

He was the reason for you? Oi...

Demon

01-20-2010, 11:49 PM

Google news search on John Guy (http://news.google.ca/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=ca&hl=en&q=John+Guy)

Northern Bill fan, you're too nice. Anybody who doesn't believe a report by John Murphy and Mike Catalina, well.... needs to have their heads checked. These two men, and like 2 or so others, are the most connected people inside the Bills organization.

01-20-2010, 11:50 PM

He said we didn't hire Frazier because he was black.
People like him, keep racism alive.

01-20-2010, 11:52 PM

http://chicksinthehuddle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/billboard-300x225.jpg

TWO DOWN, ONE TO GO!

SeatownBillsFan21

01-21-2010, 12:07 AM

Good hes been stealing money from us for years noe glad hes gone should have been a lot soon tho.

rcd333

01-21-2010, 12:34 AM

aaaaaaaaand we'll probably promote some old guy within the organization.

Romes

01-21-2010, 02:38 AM

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Bills-relieve-Guy-of-duties-as-VP-of-Pro-Personnel/fc56ca56-3627-44cd-8f48-febd168e83bd

Official link

Ingtar33

01-21-2010, 02:52 AM

about time. i've been asking for his firing for 4+ years now... or more. i actually remember the first post here on that...

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=87474

The Front Office
-Fired-
Tom Modrak Assistant General Manager (the drafts and free agent signings have been mediocre at best, and that is his job)
John Guy Director of Pro Personnel (house cleaning)
Doug Majeski Coordinator of College Scouting (average at best drafts)
Gretchen Geitter Director Community Relations (the genius behind many of the Bills PR gaffs)

it's about ****** time.

YardRat

01-21-2010, 02:57 AM

New GM...
New Head Coach...
New coaching staff...
New Dir. pro players...
New director of college scouting...possibly or even likely.

I'd say that qualifies as 'big changes'.

Dujek

01-21-2010, 03:11 AM

Excellent news.

I'd have liked a public execution, but this is almost as good.

elltrain22

01-21-2010, 05:03 AM

Great news, Modrak should be next.

YardRat

01-21-2010, 05:09 AM

Everybody can now move on, and start ****ting their pants/pulling out their hair/leaping off of bridges over Modrak being here and the potential coaching staff not being hired yet.

Once we get through those tragedies, we will finally be able to start slitting our wrists over FA, and ready the shotgun for the draft. Rumor has it that there is going to be an additional tax on ammunition going into effect in NYS very soon, so if you actually live there you might want to load up on slugs now.

Tailspin

01-21-2010, 05:14 AM

Yeah releasing it this late at night is a bit odd. They should have announced it today to take everyone's mind off of Gailey.

They released it late at night hoping Sir Charles barkeley was asleep!

Cntrygal

01-21-2010, 05:17 AM

:eek:

:faint:

Historian

01-21-2010, 05:29 AM

Now he's The Fall Guy!

X-Era

01-21-2010, 06:07 AM

No one should survive signing and then cutting Dockery and Walker.

Add in the botched trade last year (or maybe the year before), another screw up with trying to move McCargo to Indy (failed physical), and the slew of free agents who just haven't done much for us... yeah he should be canned. Id also add in the Peters mess, it may not all be his fault, but as Pro Player Personnel guy, he was right in the middle of that one.

Luisito23

01-21-2010, 06:13 AM

:dance3:

I second that.....:dance3: :dance3:!!!

malo

01-21-2010, 06:18 AM

:bf1:

X-Era

01-21-2010, 06:19 AM

Who could replace him?

Modrak has already stated he doesnt want GM duties, he wants to focus on the draft, I assume he also means this side as well.

This could be interesting.

split71

01-21-2010, 06:42 AM

Who could replace him?

Modrak has already stated he doesnt want GM duties, he wants to focus on the draft, I assume he also means this side as well.

This could be interesting.
Same question I had/have...maybe a big name?

Ebenezer

01-21-2010, 06:53 AM

about time. i've been asking for his firing for 4+ years now... or more. i actually remember the first post here on that...

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=87474

it's about ****** time.

When folks were throwing tantrums about TD I asked who should take over because if you keep it in house (I used Modrak as an example) that nothing would change...and I said that in 2004:

http://billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=753625&postcount=13
http://billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=751643&postcount=1

Luisito23

01-21-2010, 07:02 AM

When folks were throwing tantrums about TD I asked who should take over because if you keep it in house (I used Modrak as an example) that nothing would change...and I said that in 2004:

http://billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=753625&postcount=13
http://billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=751643&postcount=1

Luisito23, you do not have permission to access this page.

:box:

mysticsoto

01-21-2010, 07:26 AM

Great news! But...if Modrak hasn't been fired yet...that probably means he's staying. Still, it is a good move and Nix is definitely warming up to me. I'll be able to judge better after the 1st draft...

Jan Reimers

01-21-2010, 07:26 AM

CoolBreeze

01-21-2010, 07:28 AM

I'm not sure of all the hate for Modrak.. I think it has been reported that he only put input towards the draft. He was often over ruled by Jauron and Brandon. Didn't I read for example, that Modrak wanted Cushing, but was over ruled in favor of Maybin? How many other countless picks did this happen to? I could be wrong. Either way, Modrak isn't leaving, he, Nix, and Gailey are all tied closely. You can bet John Guy's replacement will come from their connections as well. Remember, they all "Are going to be on the same page". :)

DraftBoy

01-21-2010, 07:29 AM

Great move! I wouldn't mind them clearing out the entire Front Office, keeping Modrak and rehiring all new scouts, and such. Though that's asking for a lot just three months out from the draft.

BigZ

01-21-2010, 07:30 AM

One of the knocks I read about the Bills organization is the lack of human scouting. I hope Guy is replaced by 3-5 people, one who's got the title, who go to the preseason games and can evaluate talent.

If Mondrak stays we need the same number of people going to the college games.

I think Nix will do that. This should only be the beginning.

NorthCarBills

01-21-2010, 07:42 AM

I'm glad Guy is gone, as he seems to be a poor judge of pro talent. I wouldn't mind seeing Modrak stay, however, because he was known as a very good evaluator of college players, at least before he got here.

He and Nix might do very well together.

Agree. I think Modrak's input has been restrained a bit due to the organizational barriers. Didnt someone post a short time ago that he actually wanted Cushing over Maybin? Good example if true.

SABURZFAN

01-21-2010, 07:45 AM

one down. two to go.

jesseInEA

01-21-2010, 08:20 AM

Man, I did not expect this at this point... maybe Buddy will be interviewing Modrak next. Modrak better be sweating bullets and dressed in his sunday best...

trapezeus

01-21-2010, 08:24 AM

So what internal candidate is ready to step up to Guy's job? Is it the admin of marketing or did we go cheaper and less experienced with the janitor team?

Did they also promote Brandon again to Grand Poomba?

It has to be done as buffalo billy as humanly possible.

Saratoga Slim

01-21-2010, 08:25 AM

Great move! I wouldn't mind them clearing out the entire Front Office, keeping Modrak and rehiring all new scouts, and such. Though that's asking for a lot just three months out from the draft.

I think that's why it might be a mistake to can Modrak now. Regardless of how good he is, starting from scratch on the college front at this point would probably be a bad plan due to the sheer volume of players to evaluate.

I'm glad to see Guy hit the road. But Modrak had a pretty good rep for a long time, perhaps he wasn't really our problem. With Nix calling the draft picks instead of Jauron & Co., Modrak's value might be evaluated differently.

Dicknoze69

01-21-2010, 09:14 AM

I think that's why it might be a mistake to can Modrak now. Regardless of how good he is, starting from scratch on the college front at this point would probably be a bad plan due to the sheer volume of players to evaluate.

I'm glad to see Guy hit the road. But Modrak had a pretty good rep for a long time, perhaps he wasn't really our problem. With Nix calling the draft picks instead of Jauron & Co., Modrak's value might be evaluated differently.

Yeah I highly doubt they'd can Modrak at this point in the draft evaluation process. I think it's much more likely they clean house after the draft, much like Pioli did in KC.

psubills62

01-21-2010, 09:22 AM

Dicknoze69

01-21-2010, 09:28 AM

Guess I should have stayed up a little later last night to see this great news!

However...is anyone else a little frightened that he was the other candidate for our GM position? As in he was doing a horrible job, but if Nix wasn't around, Guy could have been promoted to GM instead of fired?

That thought alone scares me and it should clarify how bad this organization has become, imo.

I think they had Nix in mind all along for the position and only interviewed Guy to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Perhaps if Nix wasn't here, we might have went outside the organization? (who knows if this would have happened knowing Ralph).

Canadian'eh!

01-21-2010, 09:29 AM

GREAT.

Makes the GM ":search" even more of a rediculous JOKE.

What a pathetic organization.

SABURZFAN

01-21-2010, 09:37 AM

GREAT.

Makes the GM ":search" even more of a rediculous JOKE.

What a pathetic organization.

want your fan card back?

psubills62

01-21-2010, 09:37 AM

I think they had Nix in mind all along for the position and only interviewed Guy to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Perhaps if Nix wasn't here, we might have went outside the organization? (who knows if this would have happened knowing Ralph).

Did they actually pass the Rooney Rule for GM's? I thought they had discussed it, but I don't remember it actually passing.

I sure hope Guy wasn't in serious consideration.

Canadian'eh!

01-21-2010, 09:58 AM

want your fan card back?

no.

Dicknoze69

01-21-2010, 09:59 AM

Did they actually pass the Rooney Rule for GM's? I thought they had discussed it, but I don't remember it actually passing.

I sure hope Guy wasn't in serious consideration.

Yeah it passed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061502806.html

SABURZFAN

01-21-2010, 10:00 AM

no.

:shakeno:

Canadian'eh!

01-21-2010, 10:04 AM

:shakeno:

:nod:

Cntrygal

01-21-2010, 11:07 AM

Who could replace him?

Modrak has already stated he doesnt want GM duties, he wants to focus on the draft, I assume he also means this side as well.

This could be interesting.

Maybe they will run out of internal people to promote!!!!

TheBrownBear

01-21-2010, 11:17 AM

I like Nix's no nonsense attitude and his willingness to take ownership of turning this team around. He may ultimately fail, but it will be on his terms.