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  • IAG
    Registered User
    • Jan 2005
    • 709
    #1

    We were better off....

    ....with Tom Donahoe. While his years were not perfect, the years brought hope and a legit plan to be competitive in the league. The players he brought in, for the most part, are in the league still. Many are still exceptional players.

    At the very least, the hot stove was entertaining.

    Mike Mularkey has been a great mentor to Matt Ryan. Gregg Williams is a win from going to the Super Bowl as a D.C. A D.C. that revitalized a poor defense.

    Everyone will point to Mike Williams, J.P. Losman and I am sure you can come up with others. However, he hit on way more than he missed. He drafted well, traded well, let go of players that were on the downslide, sign FA's that produced and unearthed talent that nobody wanted...Jason Peters and Jabari Greer.

    The problem with Donahoe had nothing to do with him, it was the OWNER. I have said it for years and now with what is happening today, it proves the criticism of the owner is justified.

    I will take heat for the post, but I think history will remember Donahoe better as time goes on.

    If he would have allowed the money to re-sign the likes of Pat Williams and Peerless Price, perhaps the Bills would not be the Lions of the AFC.
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  • Don't Panic
    All-Pro Zoner
    • Dec 2005
    • 4227
    #2
    Re: We were better off....

    Williams, Losman and McGahee have to be three of the worst 1st round flops of the decade. I get what you're saying about how at least there was some talent here at that time, and that get's amplified by how bare the cupboards have been the last four years, but I still don't see us being much better if Donahoe had stuck around. Definitely not as competitive as we'd all like to see...
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    • Dozerdog
      In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

      Administrator Emeritus
      • Jul 2002
      • 42587
      #3
      Re: We were better off....

      Originally posted by Carpetbagger
      Williams, Losman and McGahee have to be three of the worst 1st round flops of the decade. I get what you're saying about how at least there was some talent here at that time, and that get's amplified by how bare the cupboards have been the last four years, but I still don't see us being much better if Donahoe had stuck around. Definitely not as competitive as we'd all like to see...

      Add in the #1 for Bledsoe



      I wonder what would have happened if we grabbed Fox instead of Williams. TD might stil be here and we might have had made the playoffs once or twice
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      • ddaryl
        Everything I post is sexual inuendo
        • Jan 2005
        • 10714
        #4
        Re: We were better off....

        he also was responsible for releasing Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield.

        Losman cost us a 1st rd pick, and McGahee and Miek Williams were a complete waste of a 1st rd pick.

        the guy was making big mistakes that helped reduce this team to what it became the last few years
        Last edited by ddaryl; 01-23-2010, 07:30 AM.

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        • Jan Reimers
          Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
          • May 2003
          • 17353
          #5
          Re: We were better off....

          Donahoe was an arrogant ***** whose "Look at what a genius I am" style set this franchise back several years. We are still trying to recover.
          Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?
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          • IAG
            Registered User
            • Jan 2005
            • 709
            #6
            Re: We were better off....

            For the record, Winfield and Williams left via free agency and the Bills did not "have the money" to re-sign them. I blame the owner not the GM. Wilson would not even let him franchise them and trade them like what happened with Price.

            I cannot throw McGahee in the bust mix. He was tremendous in the 2004 run plus it was a bonus pick from fleecing Atlanta for Price...another great move.

            Bledsoe, was worth the move since the Bills were QB hungry. I would criticize him more for the jettison of Flutie in favor of RJ. Maybe he would have gone 7-9 his first year, he'd been better off. Who knows....

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            • IAG
              Registered User
              • Jan 2005
              • 709
              #7
              Re: We were better off....

              Still trying to recover....look at the guys he brought in that a staring in the league...some this weekend.

              Pat Williams
              Aaron Schobel
              Chris Kelsey
              London Fletcher
              Takeo Spikes
              Lawyer Milloy
              Terrence McGee
              Lee Evans
              Jason Peters
              Willis McGahee
              Jabari Greer
              Brian Moorman

              Those guys that are still with the Bills are the team's best players.

              I do not want to even get into what he did with the Steelers.

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              • MikeInRoch
                Registered User
                • Sep 2003
                • 10446
                #8
                Re: We were better off....

                Originally posted by IAG
                For the record, Winfield and Williams left via free agency and the Bills did not "have the money" to re-sign them. I blame the owner not the GM. Wilson would not even let him franchise them and trade them like what happened with Price.
                "For the record", BS. The Bills had plenty of money to sign Williams, and he was willing to stay. They never ASKED him what he wanted - they just cut off communications. It was ridiculous.
                "'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"

                "Eh, Phil. That's one I happen to agree with."
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                • Dozerdog
                  In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                  Administrator Emeritus
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 42587
                  #9
                  Re: We were better off....

                  Pat Williams was a Butler acquisition

                  You would think with what- 50 or so draft picks, more than a handful wold still be on this roster.

                  The rest were Free Agents - filling in holes left from poor drafting
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                  • IAG
                    Registered User
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 709
                    #10
                    Re: We were better off....

                    No way, Ralph Wilson is a terrible owner and CHEAP. Hence, the Chan Gailey hire. How else do you explain NOBODY wanting this stinking job?

                    Once Wilson leaves the keys to another owner, the Bills will start to win.

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                    • IAG
                      Registered User
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 709
                      #11
                      Re: We were better off....

                      Pat Williams was Butler pick up, but became a star under Jerry Gray. Cannot argue that.

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                      • Throne Logic
                        Terry Tate - Outside Linebacker
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2052
                        #12
                        Re: We were better off....

                        Originally posted by IAG
                        ....with Tom Donahoe. While his years were not perfect, the years brought hope and a legit plan to be competitive in the league. The players he brought in, for the most part, are in the league still. Many are still exceptional players.
                        Donahoe's team building priorities were dead wrong. Regardless of the caliber of the players he brought to Buffalo, he failed to place an emphasis on the "trench" players.

                        Too many skill positions and no foundation for them to work from. Leads to failure every time. TD never seemed to figure that out.
                        Still searching for that offensive rhythm.
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                        • Dozerdog
                          In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                          Administrator Emeritus
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 42587
                          #13
                          Re: We were better off....

                          Originally posted by IAG
                          Pat Williams was Butler pick up, but became a star under Jerry Gray. Cannot argue that.


                          Ummm...No. Cottrell. He then followed Ted Cottrell to the Vikes
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                          • Historian
                            2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 61725
                            #14
                            Re: We were better off....

                            Originally posted by Throne Logic
                            Donahoe's team building priorities were dead wrong. Regardless of the caliber of the players he brought to Buffalo, he failed to place an emphasis on the "trench" players.

                            Too many skill positions and no foundation for them to work from. Leads to failure every time. TD never seemed to figure that out.
                            Exactly.
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                            • Night Train
                              Retired - On Several Levels
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 33117
                              #15
                              Re: We were better off....

                              Why did we even bother having a scouting dept. here during the TD era ? It was all him and his niche picks on draft day. That's why some scouts left.

                              He went down personally and worked out Mike Williams. Roscoe Parrish anyone ? And on..and on..and on..

                              This last decade has been pretty bad.
                              Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit
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