Whaley accepts Assistant GM job

[patmoran2006]

Per Jason LaCanfora

JasonLaCanfora (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora)
(http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/)
Bills offer assistant GM job to Doug Whaley, Pittsburgh's pro personnel coordinator. Full story on NFL.com/NFLN

[patmoran2006]

Bills offered their assistant general manager position to Doug Whaley, according to a league source.

Whaley, who has served as Pittsburgh’s pro personnel coordinator, would be the number two to recently-promoted general manager Buddy Nix. Members of the Steelers front office would not be surprised if Whaley takes the position.

Whaley interviewed for the job recently.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/03/bills-offer-assistant-gm-spot-to-steelers-whaley/

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Ahh man, this would be a bonifed great hire. Praying he takes it so he can take over for Nix in a couple years.

[BillsMan80]

That would be a nice go-get for the 2nd in command position. As well, he would easily be in line if things go well to get the promotion to the GM spot when Buddy decides to call it quits. Keyword being if things go well (i.e. winning football).

[Ron Burgundy]

Why is this guy any good, again?

All his Wiki page mentions is this:

Whaley gained unwanted notoriety in 2007 when an inappropriate e-mail that he had sent to Steelers assistant coach Larry Zierlein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Zierlein) was inadvertently forwarded by Zierlein to a large number of high-level NFL employees, including commissioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Commissioner) Roger Goodell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell). The e-mail reportedly contained a pornographic video. Zierlein apologized for the gaffe, and it is believed that neither he nor Whaley were disciplined by the team or the league.

...which is AWESOME, but doesn't tell me much about his football resume.

[BoyILuvLoznStupidly]

This is old but he was a candidate for the Chief's GM in 2008.



Doug Whaley is the Pro Personnel Director for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Chiefs' owner Clark Hunt said he admires the Steelers' organization which is a reason why Whaley should be considered a candidate for the Chiefs' GM job.
Whaley is homegrown talent for the Steelers. He played high school football in Western PA and went on to play four years at Pitt. He's been with the Steelers for 11 years.


Read More
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/12/22/699394/getting-to-know-a-gm-doug

[NorthCarBills]

Not knocking this because I really dont understand. But at first glance this seems like we're returning to a committee approach again. Where does this leave Modrak, and how much input as an Asst. GM does one have? I feel like there's too many cooks in the kitchen once again.

But again, this is my initial reaction so I'm not afraid to admit I'm misreading.

[PromoTheRobot]

Not knocking this because I really dont understand. But at first glance this seems like we're returning to a committee approach again. Where does this leave Modrak, and how much input as an Asst. GM does one have? I feel like there's too many cooks in the kitchen once again.

But again, this is my initial reaction so I'm not afraid to admit I'm misreading.
I don't think it's a committee. Whaley will fill the role John Guy had while backing up Nix. It's quite likely Nix knows he's only going to be GM for a few years so why not groom a successor? At least Ralph will know him when the time comes.

PTR

[BoyILuvLoznStupidly]

I'm wondering if this was another Cowher recommendation?

[mrbojanglezs]

good situation for him, be the pro personnel guy/ assistant GM for a few years then take over for buddy

[patmoran2006]

I don't think it's a committee. Whaley will fill the role John Guy had while backing up Nix. It's quite likely Nix knows he's only going to be GM for a few years so why not groom a successor? At least Ralph will know him when the time comes.

PTR

I dont think he has much to do with replacing Guy.

But I think you're spot on with the second sentence about being groomed for Nix.

[BillsWin]

I think its a great hire to be quite honest. This franchise seems to finally have direction to it.

I don't care about the video. It was a mistake, I'm sure the embarrassment he received from the action served as punishment enough and the fact that Goodell didn't come down on him means it was no big deal.

The fact is, he is a great football guy to groom under the 70 year old Nix.

[Beebe's Kid]

Why is this guy any good, again?

All his Wiki page mentions is this:

Whaley gained unwanted notoriety in 2007 when an inappropriate e-mail that he had sent to Steelers assistant coach Larry Zierlein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Zierlein) was inadvertently forwarded by Zierlein to a large number of high-level NFL employees, including commissioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Commissioner) Roger Goodell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell). The e-mail reportedly contained a pornographic video. Zierlein apologized for the gaffe, and it is believed that neither he nor Whaley were disciplined by the team or the league.

...which is AWESOME, but doesn't tell me much about his football resume.

Exactly what I was thinking....now all we need his for him to immediately get fined for flying the bird at a bunch of 'phins fans, and we'll know he is our kind of guy!!

It is kind of ridiculous that he ever got thrown under the bus for this email anyway. He sent it to Zierlein, who then forwarded it to Goodell and co.

This is a great hire!! Well, when do all of the "just another hire from inside the organization...." or the "our whole staff has AARP cards..." guys get to tear this move apart? You know the Holy-Rollers will be all over his email debacle.

I feel good things coming this season.

[plundar]

Get it done OBD!!

[BillsWin]

The only thing I disagree with you on Beebe's kid, is good things this season. If you mean a respectable draft and noticable improvement in game calling and offensive scheme, then yes.

I think that it will take at least a year, including two drafts and free agency periods in order to finally become competitive in the AFC East again.

[homeslice5484]

I hope that NIX has final say in everything when it comes to the draft and free agency. That is the only way we have any chance in getting better. Jauron and Ralph and Brandon and Levy made this whole thing even worse than Donahoe did.

[ddaryl]

I like it... This is comforting. A football guy working with a football guy working at getting us football players

[BillsWin]

I hope that old codger Ralph keeps his nose out of everything but his checkbook. The minute he starts meddling in the football operations we will collapse AGAIN.

Let's rebuild right this time!

[Bosco]

Did Cowher recommend him too?

[Mudflap1]

Wow... the Bills actually signed someone for the front office from a winning organization. Finally!!!

[Jan Reimers]

I dont think he has much to do with replacing Guy.

But I think you're spot on with the second sentence about being groomed for Nix.
I would think it has a lot to do with replacing Guy. Whaley has basically the same job in Pittsburgh as Guy had here. I don't think Ralph will hire BOTH an Assistant GM AND a Pro Personnel director or coordinator.

He is likely to be Ass't GM with an emphasis on pro personnel duties.

[methos4ever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhrkJ9YJUq0

Video of Whaley. If he's hired, good get from a first class organization...

[BILLSROCK1212]

seems like a good hire...then again Russ Brandon and co. know what it takes to make things look good

[methos4ever]

Whaley also overlapped the time that Chan Gailey and Tom Modrak were there, so he may have had a strong support camp from them as well!

[BILLSROCK1212]

i smell casey hampton

[T-Long]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhrkJ9YJUq0Video of Whaley. If he's hired, good get from a first class organization...
already posted my friend

[methos4ever]

already posted my friend
My bad, must not have seen it when I was replying on this thread...

[YardRat]

lol...another curve ball that apparently nobody saw coming.

[Blame Canada]

He's in. I was told he has officially accepted the job. Good hire IMO

[BillsMan80]

He's in. I was told he has officially accepted the job. Good hire IMO

Well, this is certainly the gospel to listen to...now as for that Defensive Coordinator gig...

[Pinkerton Security]

well, idk how much say he'll have in the draft, but I'm assuming as an Asst GM he'd have at least a little. That excites me the most, because look at Pitt's last 8 first round picks (excluding last year, which hasnt come to fruition yet so cant be rated)..

2008 - Mendenhall
2007 - Timmons
2006 - Heath Miller
2005 - Big Ben
2004 - Polamalu
2003 - Kendall Simmons
2002 - Casey Hampton
2001 - Plaxico

I mean they're pretty much batting 1.000 on first rounders, granted Plax was an idiot but was a helluva talented football player.

Point is, the Steelers built their team in a great way, a way I envy, so this signing to me is very very promising if nothing else.

[BuffaloRanger]

I would think it has a lot to do with replacing Guy. Whaley has basically the same job in Pittsburgh as Guy had here. I don't think Ralph will hire BOTH an Assistant GM AND a Pro Personnel director or coordinator.

He is likely to be Ass't GM with an enphasis on pro personnel duties.


Agreed. He has to be Guy's replacement. And when the Bills don't hire a Pro Personnel Director that will be more than obvious.

[Ed]

Wow... the Bills actually signed someone for the front office from a winning organization. Finally!!!
Well the fact that the Steelers missed the playoffs this past season probably made the Bills feel a lot more comfortable in making this hire.

Kidding a side, I really like this move. The Bills could definitely benefit from some more smart football minds giving input and ideas.

[mrbojanglezs]

whaley and gailey


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Updating a previous report, Ed Bouchette, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports Pittsburgh Steelers pro scouting coordinator Doug Whaley has accepted the offer to become the Buffalo Bills assistant general manager position.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw.php/nfl#626...m=NFL+Football

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10034/1033296-100.stm?cmpid=latest.xml


Steelers' scouting coordinator takes assistant GM post for Bills
Wednesday, February 03, 2010
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Steelers pro scouting coordinator Doug Whaley has accepted a job as the assistant general manager for the Buffalo Bills.

Whaley is in his 10th year with the Steelers. He is a native of Upper St. Clair and played at Pitt, where he was a safety and a linebacker.

[trapezeus]

an outside hire!!!!

i have not heard of whaley. what is the consensus? is he part of the building process or is he someone that pittsburgh doesn't value and let go like "mularkey"

[YardRat]

OK...Let's start scouring coaching staffs for anybody whose last name rhymes with 'aley' for our DC...

[Philagape]

Wow... the Bills actually signed someone for the front office from a winning organization. Finally!!!

The Chargers have done ok I believe

[YardRat]

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Coaches/People/Adam%20Bailey.aspx

Adam Bailey for strength and conditioning?

[mrbojanglezs]

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Coaches/People/Adam%20Bailey.aspx

Adam Bailey for strength and conditioning?

hahaha yes!!! gailey whaley and bailey

[T-Long]

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Coaches/People/Adam%20Bailey.aspx

Adam Bailey for strength and conditioning?
how in the hell did you find that?? haha

[YardRat]

http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kelly_charles00.html

Charles Kelly??

[methos4ever]

an outside hire!!!!

i have not heard of whaley. what is the consensus? is he part of the building process or is he someone that pittsburgh doesn't value and let go like "mularkey"
He's a solid guy and has been mentioned as a "Dimitroff" type by guys like Pat Kirwan,
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d9b253&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


Group 4 (Thomas Dimitroff model)

The people in this group are all from successful organizations and could impress an owner in an interview. They have been trained by high-profile executives and should carry the ability to bring the philosophy of a winning program to a new club. No one really knew Patriots personnel man Tom Dimitroff before his video interview with the Falcons last year, and now Atlanta has clinched a playoff spot, thanks largely to Dimitroff's first draft pick, Matt Ryan. Roll the dice and that could happen again this year with someone from this group.

Mark Dominik: Director of pro personnel for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

John Dorsey: Director of college scouting for the Green Bay Packers.

Brian Gaine: Assistant director of player personnel for the Miami Dolphins.

Ron Hughes: College scouting coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Scott Studwell: Director of college scouting for the Minnesota Vikings.

Doug Whaley: Pro personnel coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

And he was one of the guys that Mike Florio's "source" wailed about not being interviewed for the GM job:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/bills-decision-to-hire-nix-draws-criticism/


"Bills fans can rest assured that, a year from now, two years from now, and three and four years from now, the team will still be in last place in the AFC East. The Jets, Patriots, and Dolphins continue to make moves to get better while the Bills just tread water. There are good people who were very interested in that job, like Dave Gettelman, Scott Studwell and Doug Whaley that never got a chance. All those guys could have helped that team. The best hope for Bills fans is that the owner decides to sell the team and then someone who cares about winning takes over and brings in qualified people."

[YardRat]

Can somebody who is a member over there post a comment indicating that Florio is, once again, a dumbass?

Thanks in advance.

[Michael82]

Wow! Excellent hire! I like that Nix "cleaned house". First got rid of all of the coaching staff, then got rid of the weak link in the front office, John Guy and finished by hiring someone that he could groom to take over, a young, fresh mind for the Pro Personnel Director/Assistant GM job. Great move! :bf1:

[Dicknoze69]

Wow! Excellent hire! I like that Nix "cleaned house". First got rid of all of the coaching staff, then got rid of the weak link in the front office, John Guy and finished by hiring someone that he could groom to take over, a young, fresh mind for the Pro Personnel Director/Assistant GM job. Great move! :bf1:

I'm just impressed that we went outside of the organization for a hire. Very good move and very different from the past couple of years. Perhaps Nix actually does have all the power.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

This is the best hire we've made in some time. Whats even better is this is one of the guys I wanted to make GM.

[Syderick]

Interesting and hopefully good hire

[Michael82]

I'm just impressed that we went outside of the organization for a hire. Very good move and very different from the past couple of years. Perhaps Nix actually does have all the power.

Bingo! I guarantee you this, Russ Brandon does NOT hire Chan Gailey. He hires a big name or young first time coach, someone he could sell to the fans. Gailey is hard to sell to the fans. That's why he never got any jobs when he applied for a bunch of HC jobs...And now this move, definitely smells like Nix getting himself another football mind to work with. I know everyone wanted Modrak gone too, but he's a football mind and I've heard that he's friends with Nix. I like this 3 headed front office a lot more than the old one...

Buddy Nix (General Manager)
Doug Whaley (Assistant GM/VP of Pro Personnel)
Tom Modrak (VP of college scouting)

That is 100x better than this...

Russ Brandon (General Manger)
John Guy (VP of Pro Personnel)
Tom Modrak (VP of College Scouting)

[Dicknoze69]

Bingo! I guarantee you this, Russ Brandon does NOT hire Chan Gailey. He hires a big name or young first time coach, someone he could sell to the fans. Gailey is hard to sell to the fans. That's why he never got any jobs when he applied for a bunch of HC jobs...

I agree with you 100%. Gailey was a ballsy hire by Nix because he's a hard sell. Hiring Whaley is a good move that I'm sure was authored by Nix all the way.

[patmoran2006]

Good hire.

I've spoken to a few people thus far. Certainly sounds like a guy who's well respected.

[Michael82]

I agree with you 100%. Gailey was a ballsy hire by Nix because he's a hard sell. Hiring Whaley is a good move that I'm sure was authored by Nix all the way.

Thanks...after making that first post, I added some more to it. It started with the Gailey move, but firing Guy and hiring Whaley pretty much guarantees to me that Buddy Nix is truly the President of the Football Operations. Russ Brandon is only here for the financial issues and to continue his marketing and handle the day to day stadium operation stuff.

[Dicknoze69]

Here's a good write-up from some Chiefs fans when they were hiring a GM. It's a profile of Whaley:

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/12/22/699394/getting-to-know-a-gm-doug

[BoyILuvLoznStupidly]

Bingo! I guarantee you this, Russ Brandon does NOT hire Chan Gailey. He hires a big name or young first time coach, someone he could sell to the fans. Gailey is hard to sell to the fans. That's why he never got any jobs when he applied for a bunch of HC jobs...

I believe this and to take it further; When Chan was announced as HC neither Ralph or Russ were at the presser. I think they understand they need to keep as far away from football opts as possible.

I'm starting to think we're going in the right direction. The Bills are actually being proactive and thinking ahead.

[Jaybird]

great move, great talent evaluator, the steelers rarely miss if ever!!!!

[plundar]

Wooo Hooooo!! I can't believe they went outside the organization. Great move.

[casdhf]

This has "we promise you'll be Nix's successor" all over it

[Don't Panic]

This has "we promise you'll be Nix's successor" all over it

...and from the looks of it, that is a pretty good thing. Could we be witnessing the building blocks to a new ear of Bills football... done the right way? I shutter to think that it may...

[The Jokeman]

I would think it has a lot to do with replacing Guy. Whaley has basically the same job in Pittsburgh as Guy had here. I don't think Ralph will hire BOTH an Assistant GM AND a Pro Personnel director or coordinator.

He is likely to be Ass't GM with an enphasis on pro personnel duties.
I think he's definitely Guy's replacement yet he also sounds like has a bit of Chuck Lester in him. As to get an idea of what he did in Pittsburgh I present from Q&A with Doug Whaley (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_479973.html)

Q: Can you talk about your job and what it entails?

A: During the season, mostly I'm the advance scout for the coaches, so during the week I'll break down the film of the opponent -- not their plays, but their players: the good points, the weak points and the summary of how they played. During the weekend, I'll go out and do some colleges. This weekend, I'm going to go to UVa (University of Virginia), watch film of their players on Friday and Saturday watch them play Miami, and then Sunday I'll go to Baltimore. I'll be trying to get things the coaches can't get off film like injuries. If a guy's hurt, was he carted off the field? Was he running on the sidelines? You try to get some signals and things like that in the general flow of the game because when you get the game, we don't have the TV copy so you don't get the continuous feeds. You get the offense and the defense. So I'll tell them, 'Hey, they started strong. They didn't really finish.' In the offseason, we get together and start looking at the unrestricted and restricted free agents, see who we're going to bring in. And we're always involved in college, the all-star games and going to the (NFL) Combine and getting ready for the draft. After the draft we'll start looking at NFL Europe players. It's keeping on top of guys that are out there that we may be interested in and guys in the league that we might be interested in, too, when their contracts are up.

[Philagape]

Whaley's only 37, but he's been with the Steelers for 13 years and has been the pro personnel guy for 10 ... sounds like a wunderkind

[BillsWin]

I'm excited. Ralph better keep his nose out of the football decisions, because things look to be headed in the right direction for the first time in years.

[PECKERWOOD]

Steelers have always drafted well and he had a pretty important role in their draft process I'm sure. I'm on board with Mikey, this is a great hire.

[psubills62]

I'm impressed.

I think what I like is that none of these are flashy hires, but if you look beneath the surface, they are very solid pickups. Gailey, Cortez, Whaley, Nix, etc.

I'm cautiously optimistic. The DC hire could definitely be the icing on the cake.

[JPFBillsFan]

I concur......It's not all the names everyone wants.....but I think if they have a couple solid drafts, find a QB ......we may have something here

[Romes]

Great move.

While DJ was a bad coach, I always thought that the talent on this team was the bigger problem. Finally bringing someone in from an outside and more importantly succesful talent evaluating team was the move I was looking for so far this off-season.

[psubills62]

Great move.

While DJ was a bad coach, I always thought that the talent on this team was the bigger problem. Finally bringing someone in from an outside and more importantly succesful talent evaluating team was the move I was looking for so far this off-season.
I don't know...I always thought it was the failing of the coaches with regards to developing the talent given to them. That and using it correctly.

There just seem to be a lot of players who move on to have success on other teams (Gandy, Hargrove, Leonhard, Haggan, etc.). I think our talent evaluators have certainly missed on early picks, but the coaches just have not done a good job of developing talent.

It seems that several of the good players (e.g. Greer and Fred Jackson) developed in spite of the coaching, not because of the coaching. After all, for those guys it took injuries and a blowout loss to even get on the field.

Too much potential gone to waste. I have a hard time believing our talent guys missed on all those picks, especially when they were picking up good value prospects in the later rounds.

[Dying_-2-_Live]

This is a very good move... I honestly would have liked to see Whaley as the GM... Nix as the assistant... but this works

[bigbub2352]

new blood in the front office
much needed, should have happened last yr

[better days]

This is a very good move... I honestly would have liked to see Whaley as the GM... Nix as the assistant... but this works

If Whaley was hired as GM he may not have retained Nix, who knows?

I like things as they worked out, maybe Nix can teach the kid a thing or two before he retires.

[Romes]

I don't know...I always thought it was the failing of the coaches with regards to developing the talent given to them. That and using it correctly.

There just seem to be a lot of players who move on to have success on other teams (Gandy, Hargrove, Leonhard, Haggan, etc.). I think our talent evaluators have certainly missed on early picks, but the coaches just have not done a good job of developing talent.

It seems that several of the good players (e.g. Greer and Fred Jackson) developed in spite of the coaching, not because of the coaching. After all, for those guys it took injuries and a blowout loss to even get on the field.

Too much potential gone to waste. I have a hard time believing our talent guys missed on all those picks, especially when they were picking up good value prospects in the later rounds.

Isn't part of the pro talent evaluaters jobs to realize the talent on our own roster? Letting the above players go was their fault, too.

[Romes]

If anything our amateur scouts and drafting have been decent but the pro scouting has let us down... letting the players you mentioned go and bringing in guys like Walker, Dockery, Royal, etc.

[psubills62]

If anything our amateur scouts and drafting have been decent but the pro scouting has let us down... letting the players you mentioned go and bringing in guys like Walker, Dockery, Royal, etc.

I'll agree that the pro scouting has been crap. I do think that the coaches need to give guys the chance to prove they can play, which Jauron and co. never seemed to want to do. If the coaches never play guys like Leonhard, or if the coaches use players in ways that don't accentuate their strengths, it's that much harder for the personnel evaluators to figure out who is worth keeping.

Just my opinion, I can understand why people think our talent has been lacking. I believe the coaches were extremely deficient in developing any player's potential, personally.

[Luisito23]

This is a very good move!....Anyone from the Steelers is good with me!

[Syderick]

So we have an ex-Charger as a GM, and an ex-Steeler as GM assistant. Not bad!

[Romes]

I'll agree that the pro scouting has been crap. I do think that the coaches need to give guys the chance to prove they can play, which Jauron and co. never seemed to want to do. If the coaches never play guys like Leonhard, or if the coaches use players in ways that don't accentuate their strengths, it's that much harder for the personnel evaluators to figure out who is worth keeping.

Just my opinion, I can understand why people think our talent has been lacking. I believe the coaches were extremely deficient in developing any player's potential, personally.

Yeah, I think its a combination of both, I just lean on the side of talent being the issue.

[raphael120]

This is a very good move!....Anyone from the Steelers is good with me!

Just like Mularkey, Modrak, and Donahoe? :P

[TacklingDummy]

Haven't the Bills had enough trash from Pittsburgh? Hopefully this time it works out.

[DraftBoy]

Great move.

While DJ was a bad coach, I always thought that the talent on this team was the bigger problem. Finally bringing someone in from an outside and more importantly succesful talent evaluating team was the move I was looking for so far this off-season.

Completely agree! This team has lacked far more talent than I think many fans realize for most of this past decade. That's not to excuse horrible coaching either though.

[trapezeus]

if the bills actually have a decent year next year, won't you be a little bitter that it took them 10 years and 4 with jauron to realize they needed better personell?

That'll be hard to ignore when you consider that our franchise is not on the most solid footing.

[Stewie]

The director of pro player personnel is responsible for looking at guys already in the league. I think we're overestimating his impact on drafts. Look at who they brought in as FA's and who they they let go for performance.

[DraftBoy]

The director of pro player personnel is responsible for looking at guys already in the league. I think we're overestimating his impact on drafts. Look at who they brought in as FA's and who they they let go for performance.

They also do have a hand in the scouting and drafting of players. Whaley specifically specializes in defensive players.

[psubills62]

They also do have a hand in the scouting and drafting of players. Whaley specifically specializes in defensive players.

Good to hear, as the Steelers have been outstanding drafting defensive players. I think one of the Whaley profiles mentioned that the Steelers have only spent 43% of their draft picks on defensive players in the last 10 years or so. That's because they draft so well that they don't need to replace anyone. Unlike the Bills, who are constantly backtracking and trying to replace their previously poor picks.

[psubills62]

Completely agree! This team has lacked far more talent than I think many fans realize for most of this past decade. That's not to excuse horrible coaching either though.

Maybe so. I just look at other players (e.g. Darrelle Revis) that have blossomed into All-Pros and I think to myself, "do I see that player becoming that good under Jauron if we had drafted them?" Every time the answer is no. I have to think that if we had picked Revis, he'd have been spending the last 3 years playing 10 yards off WR's and becoming a decent, but not great CB.

[DraftBoy]

Maybe so. I just look at other players (e.g. Darrelle Revis) that have blossomed into All-Pros and I think to myself, "do I see that player becoming that good under Jauron if we had drafted them?" Every time the answer is no. I have to think that if we had picked Revis, he'd have been spending the last 3 years playing 10 yards off WR's and becoming a decent, but not great CB.

Im not saying its all lack of talent but I think when we elavate guys like Terrance McGee, Keith Ellison, Kyle Williams, and others into thinking they are good starters we are really fooling ourselves and ignoring holes that do exist.

[psubills62]

Im not saying its all lack of talent but I think when we elavate guys like Terrance McGee, Keith Ellison, Kyle Williams, and others into thinking they are good starters we are really fooling ourselves and ignoring holes that do exist.

I'll agree with you there, especially about those guys. It's frustrating when our 4th - 7th round picks end up being as good as or better than our 1st - 3rd rounders.

[Tatonka]

Im not saying its all lack of talent but I think when we elavate guys like Terrance McGee, Keith Ellison, Kyle Williams, and others into thinking they are good starters we are really fooling ourselves and ignoring holes that do exist.

wow.. your ****ting on McGee and Williams.. guys that were voted into probowls by their peers and coaches? Cuz don't tell me the fans put them in there.

[Romes]

Just made official.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3/Whaley-named-Asst-GMDirector-Pro-Personnel/f2444030-483e-403c-bb59-204c46f3d4d8

[Michael82]

I knew he would be in charge of Pro Personnel! So, he has John Guy's job, plus he's getting groomed to take over for Buddy Nix in a few years. Very nice! :up:

[Goobylal]

I knew he would be in charge of Pro Personnel! So, he has John Guy's job, plus he's getting groomed to take over for Buddy Nix in a few years. Very nice! :up:
It was funny to hear all the chicken littles whining about how Guy, whose contract expired in May anyway, hadn't been fired and thus would be coming back. This is a great move, for the present AND future. :up:

[WeAreArthurMoates]

It's just great to see that there's a clear cut succession plan in place.

[justasportsfan]

he was responsible for advance scouting of the Steelers’ opponents. His focus was breaking down opposing players for the team’s upcoming opponents.WHAt? You mean teams are supposed to scout opposing teams before they play them? Dick scouted the opponents after we play them. "we'll have to watch the tape to see where we went wrong. "