David Carr, a free option?

[kernowboy]

A guy people forget about is David Carr. Here are some reasons to consider him

1. He’s not costing anything as a UFA and we need to retain all our picks

2. He has decent size and decent arm strength for a QB, raw materials that Gailey & Cortez can work with

3. Even when he was getting sacked senseless in Houston he was still in positive figures TD v INT for some of the seasons

4. He’s rebuilt a lot of his confidence in NYG behind a decent OL

5. His performance last season was better than the much championed Vick despite Vick actually starting a game

6. Between 2004-06 his QB rating was higher each season than Vick and he threw for over 1500 more yds. Whilst Vick's athleticism has diminished, Carr has grown accustomed to playing in cold weather

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water

Between 2004 and 2006 he was sacked a ridiculous 158 times because Houston thought they could get away with lower ranked OTs and guards out of position. Yet he still threw for 41 TDs v 37 INTS and an average of 8,786yds.

Its almost imaginable any QB performing much better behind that joke of a line and I think with a R1 LT being draft we could get at least 3-4 years out of him and not panic in drafting a QB but wait for someone like Andrew Luck to become available

[kelly2reed4six]

I'll pass. I think the guy could POSSIBLY pull a good year out of his a$$ with the right coaches and system, but it's not worth taking the risk and wasting yet another year away. I would much rather have a veteran guy like Pennington, Kitna, or even Garcia who have all had prior success.

[Jan Reimers]

He is (or at least was) a very mobile QB as well. I think he would be a great option for us.

[kelly2reed4six]

I do agree that he's a better option than Vick though! If it came down to Carr or Vick I would pray everyday for Carr. We already have two good runners, we don't need a 3rd in Vick; we need a passer.

[Jan Reimers]

I'll pass. I think the guy could POSSIBLY pull a good year out of his a$$ with the right coaches and system, but it's not worth taking the risk and wasting yet another year away. I would much rather have a veteran guy like Pennington, Kitna, or even Garcia who have all had prior success.
Pennington has a terribly weak arm, and Kitna and Garcia are way past their primes. Carr is only 30 or 31, and his lack of success was due largely to playing for an expansion team with a pathetic O-line.

[Beebe's Kid]

I think Carr is a great idea. This dude has all of the tools. He was doomed to fail when Houston drafted him, and I think it speaks very highly of his mental toughness that he is still around looking for a job.

I have said it one hundred times.... I love the "Island of Misfit Toys" approach. If the misfits have talent, and a chip on the shoulder. The bigger the chip the better.

Nobody cares about our football team. That would be all I needed to get these guys fiired up. Paint "**** 'em all!!" on the wall in the locker room, and come out taking chances to win games.

I think Carr could be the best option with some experience. I also like his price.

[ZAZusmc03]

I guess I wouldn't mind it too much, I always thought the kid had talent but didnt ever get a fair chance with a decent team. I wouldnt mind seeing him there this summer competeing with brohm for the starting spot.

[THRILLHO]

He is no better than any other QB on our roster. We gain nothing from signing him.

[Jan Reimers]

He is no better than any other QB on our roster. We gain nothing from signing him.
Have you even looked at his numbers in Houston, where he started from his rookie year, and played behind a terrible line his whole time there?

He is far better than Trent and Fitz, and Brohm is a total unknown.

[ddaryl]

I do agree that he's a better option than Vick though! If it came down to Carr or Vick I would pray everyday for Carr. We already have two good runners, we don't need a 3rd in Vick; we need a passer.

My pet goldfish is a better option then Vick

[trapezeus]

i hate the idea of carr, mcnabb, orton, etc.

Just fix the line first. Let us get a real running game and then dink and dunk your way to 3rd and short first downs.

There is absolutely zero chance the bills are in contention for anything next year. Build the lines and take your lumps. If you have no aspirations to pretend the playoffs are attainable, then we'll develop our run game, develop our line and be in a position to pick a good QB the following year. these are the breaks people. Our team is woefully inadequate. There isn't a quick fix.

[justasportsfan]

If he doesn't cost a draft pick, bring him to camp. If he doesn't do well in camp cut him.

[justasportsfan]

i hate the idea of carr, mcnabb, orton, etc.

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and live with Trent, Fitz and Trent? You can't sit back and ignore the most important position either.

[don137]

I saw David Carr play a lot as a season ticket holder of Carolina...I will give a big fat pass. He is the second coming of Rob Johnson. The guy gets rattled easily and what does not show up in his rating is the amount of sacks the guy takes. He absolutely sucked. Now, with that said he did not look as bad when he played in New York as he did in Carolina however I just do not see him fairing well unless the Bills can provide him with a good OL.

[justasportsfan]

I saw David Carr play a lot as a season ticket holder of Carolina...I will give a big fat pass. He is the second coming of Rob Johnson. The guy gets rattled easily and what does not show up in his rating is the amount of sacks the guy takes. He absolutely sucked. Now, with that said he did not look as bad when he played in New York as he did in Carolina however I just do not see him fairing well unless the Bills can provide him with a good OL.
unfortunately the same can be said about Trent.

[EDS]

A guy people forget about is David Carr. Here are some reasons to consider him

1. He’s not costing anything as a UFA and we need to retain all our picks

2. He has decent size and decent arm strength for a QB, raw materials that Gailey & Cortez can work with

3. Even when he was getting sacked senseless in Houston he was still in positive figures TD v INT for some of the seasons

4. He’s rebuilt a lot of his confidence in NYG behind a decent OL

5. His performance last season was better than the much championed Vick despite Vick actually starting a game

6. Between 2004-06 his QB rating was higher each season than Vick and he threw for over 1500 more yds. Whilst Vick's athleticism has diminished, Carr has grown accustomed to playing in cold weather

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water

Between 2004 and 2006 he was sacked a ridiculous 158 times because Houston thought they could get away with lower ranked OTs and guards out of position. Yet he still threw for 41 TDs v 37 INTS and an average of 8,786yds.

Its almost imaginable any QB performing much better behind that joke of a line and I think with a R1 LT being draft we could get at least 3-4 years out of him and not panic in drafting a QB but wait for someone like Andrew Luck to become available

He is a retread, but I rather get him for nothing (i.e., no trade needed) then have to give up anything for some of the other retreads under consideration.

If McNabb is available, he would be my top priority, but Carr is probably #2 on the list unless someone else gets cut.

[BUFF Bills]

I honestly thought David Carr would be the savior of my local Carolina Panthers when Choke Delhomo went down a few years back... until David Carr actually stepped onto the field. Sadly, he reminded me of JP Losman (very spastic) in wayyy too many ways. Needless to say, he was cut after the season ended.

David Carr would do NOTHING for the Bills, that our current QB's can't do for us now.

[elltrain22]

I'd sign up for 1 year, provided he's cheap.

[ddaryl]

Yeah I'm not really on the Carr band wagon. The guy hasn't done anythign to get hopeful about.

He is another QB that struggles mightily to throw for 3000 yards in a season and has more INT's then TD's... He barely saw the field in NY so his performance there is a foot note at best.

[Jan Reimers]

i hate the idea of carr, mcnabb, orton, etc.

Just fix the line first. Let us get a real running game and then dink and dunk your way to 3rd and short first downs.

There is absolutely zero chance the bills are in contention for anything next year. Build the lines and take your lumps. If you have no aspirations to pretend the playoffs are attainable, then we'll develop our run game, develop our line and be in a position to pick a good QB the following year. these are the breaks people. Our team is woefully inadequate. There isn't a quick fix.
A capable interim QB is not a "quick fix." A veteran UFA like Carr will not cost us any players or draft picks. We can thus fill our needs while not totally giving up on next season, and have a veteran guy as insurance in case our "good QB (drafted) the following year" is either not that good, or needs a few years to develop.

A guy like Carr, in fact, who will be only 31 next season, might turn out to be a very good QB for the next several years.

What the Hell is the harm in bringing in a guy who costs no players or picks, gives us a better chance next year, and could even be a 5-6 year QB solution.

You've really gone to the dark side, Trap.

[Beebe's Kid]

He is no better than any other QB on our roster. We gain nothing from signing him.

He took 10x the sacks that Edwards has, and played through it. He's tough. The sacks were not his fault, as he is mobile, it was due to a line that made our practice squad, cut/resign version look like Ft Knox. The fact that Carr is still in the league is testament to the fact that he is a lot tougher than TE.

As for Fitzy...Carr can throw a football. So he wins there.

Brohm is, in my meaningless opinion, a stud in training.

[ByrdsTheWord]

How about not and say that we did?

[kernowboy]

Carr played in Carolina in 2007.

He started v Tampa Bay (Week 4) which was a 20-7 loss
He led them to a 16-13 in New Orleans v the Saints (Week 5) but was injured in the process despite returning to play with an injured back
He played in the Week 9 loss in Tennesse and in the Week 12 loss to New Orleans

He played behind the ineffective Travelle Wharton and was in and out of the line up as Fox chopped and changed when Delhomme went down.

Stick him behind an effective LT and give him a run with decent QB coaching and you might be surprised.

A guy who suffers a major injury yet comes back in a game to lead 2x 4th quarter drives for a tying TD and game winning FG is light years better than the disgusting Vick

[THATHURMANATOR]

David Carr Stinks. His stinkiness is Well documented.

To say he ever was better than Vick is laughable.

[dannyek71]

We already have 2 #2 qbs on our team. Why do we need a 3rd?

[kernowboy]

Vick has never thrown for 3,000yds in his career.

In 2005, Carr threw for 3,531yds despite a sieve of a OL. If he's given time his TD-INT ratio is often positive

[kernowboy]

David Carr Stinks. His stinkiness is Well documented.

To say he ever was better than Vick is laughable.

Of course he's better than the Dog Drowner

[clumping platelets]

:no:

[trapezeus]

and live with Trent, Fitz and Trent? You can't sit back and ignore the most important position either.

tossing picks aside for mcnabb, etc isn't a wise decision. Become good at running the ball. dictate the tempo to another team. tell them, "this is what we do and we do it better than you." We have the backs for it.

We don't have the receivers for a decent QB. Our number 1 has more excuses than ever to not make a meaningful play. We have no 2 or 3.

We have dinkers and dunkers. which isn't awful. it's awful when that's all you can do. if we ran better and had 3rd and shorts, dinking and dunking got it done.

There is simply no way they are going to be good. fix the defense and fix the line. that's the top priority. if we get better there, the following year its a matter of adding a player or two in certain places.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Of course he's better than the Dog Drowner
He has never been before, not sure why he would be now.

[justasportsfan]

tossing picks aside for mcnabb, etc isn't a wise decision. Become good at running the ball. dictate the tempo to another team. tell them, "this is what we do and we do it better than you." We have the backs for it.

We don't have the receivers for a decent QB. Our number 1 has more excuses than ever to not make a meaningful play. We have no 2 or 3. .
I disagree. We had a qb and HC who made our wrs look bad .

It's obvious you're still trying to defend Trent by blaming our wr's and not wanting to bring in another qb.



We have dinkers and dunkers. which isn't awful. it's awful when that's all you can do. if we ran better and had 3rd and shorts, dinking and dunking got it done..
Are you on drugs? It was horrendous. UH thats all we did with Trent.




There is simply no way they are going to be good. fix the defense and fix the line. that's the top priority. if we get better there, the following year its a matter of adding a player or two in certain places.
If we had a coach worth spit our Ol would've been better than what it was. The OL was better with Fitz in there and Fewell calling the shots. thats not saying much. McNabb would most likely make our OL better than what it is. You don't always need top draft picks for OL.

[Jan Reimers]

I don't want to see us go into camp with only Trent, Fitz and Brohm, because we'd have 2 mediocrities and an unknown. I don't want to use a high pick on a QB in the upcoming draft, because it just doesn't seem like a good QB class.

Ergo, I'd opt for bringing in a veteran UFA. Carr seems to be the best option, because he is still relatively young, has been a 5 year starter, and has had some success with a really bad team.

[trapezeus]

I'm not defending trent. it's not just a qb who sucks with the way this team performed. the WR's didn't do anything to make the situation better. that could be an issue from poor gameplanning.

Anyways, all three weren't very good and it could also be blamed on no time provided by the line.

No one fears about shutting down evans. Two dbs. its done. He has been invisible with losman and edwards and fitz and brohm.

My reason to stay with our qbs is because i don't like any of the top QB picks.

You are right, we don't need to get OL in the first round, but we need to use our draft picks and build depth. too many times in the last couple years we've traded back up to take a shot on a guy. no more. just take the slots you have and make selections on the line on both sides of the ball. Depth, depth depth. 8 out of 10 Qb's in the league can be good when given time. about 1 out of 100 QB's can be successful without it. the odds are on our side to develop the line

[EricStratton]

Carr did have a very good camp with the Giants and was talked about a lot of the local shows in terms of maturity and how well he handled the scout teams and he took a bulk of firts team snaps as well once Eli hurt his foot.

I don't love him but I don't hate the idea either.

[justasportsfan]

I'm not defending trent. it's not just a qb who sucks with the way this team performed. the WR's didn't do anything to make the situation better.

What? The wr's came alive with Fitz and he's a crappy qb. If Trent was never in there to begin with you would see our wr's were never the problem.






that could be an issue from poor gameplanning. and crappy qbing by Trent.



Anyways, all three weren't very good and it could also be blamed on no time provided by the line. I agree but the Ol was better with back ups when Fitz was the qb.



No one fears about shutting down evans. Two dbs. its done. He has been invisible with losman and edwards and fitz and brohm. why are you blaming Evans here and not the coaching and Trent? Our wr's made plays with Fitz instead of Trent. TO and Lee would've been alive with JP instead of Trent.

It's not hard to defend Lee when Trent is the qb because teams know Trent won't dare to throw to Lee and Trent has no chemistry with TO.


My reason to stay with our qbs is because i don't like any of the top QB picks.
I'll let Gailey , Nix and Modrak decide that.


You are right, we don't need to get OL in the first round, but we need to use our draft picks and build depth. too many times in the last couple years we've traded back up to take a shot on a guy. no more. just take the slots you have and make selections on the line on both sides of the ball. thats a coaching problem who didn't know how to develop players and made them play not to lose.



Depth, depth depth. 8 out of 10 Qb's in the league can be good when given time. about 1 out of 100 QB's can be successful without it. the odds are on our side to develop the line

Like I said, we have undeveloped players on OL that got screwed over by coaching. That applies to the qb's, OL,etc. Basically every player on this team was screwed by the HC , ESPECIALLY LEE AND TO.

[don137]

Carr played in Carolina in 2007.

He started v Tampa Bay (Week 4) which was a 20-7 loss
He led them to a 16-13 in New Orleans v the Saints (Week 5) but was injured in the process despite returning to play with an injured back
He played in the Week 9 loss in Tennesse and in the Week 12 loss to New Orleans

He played behind the ineffective Travelle Wharton and was in and out of the line up as Fox chopped and changed when Delhomme went down.

Stick him behind an effective LT and give him a run with decent QB coaching and you might be surprised.

A guy who suffers a major injury yet comes back in a game to lead 2x 4th quarter drives for a tying TD and game winning FG is light years better than the disgusting Vick
It is not that easy. I can not begin to say how bad the guy played in Carolina. He was a deer in headlights, he locked on to his first receiver. The second he sniffed pressure he panicked. Once he was rattled his throws were off the rest of the game. He started out well playing well for a couple of games but defenses figured him out quickly and had a field day against him after that.

[Historian]

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water



:rofl:

Sorry...it was funny!

:couch:

[better days]

I'll pass. I think the guy could POSSIBLY pull a good year out of his a$$ with the right coaches and system, but it's not worth taking the risk and wasting yet another year away. I would much rather have a veteran guy like Pennington, Kitna, or even Garcia who have all had prior success.

What is the risk if he is a free agent? Carr is a better QB than any of the QB's you named. You really think it would not be a wasted year with Pennington, Kitna or Garcia?

[Nighthawk]

A guy people forget about is David Carr. Here are some reasons to consider him

1. He’s not costing anything as a UFA and we need to retain all our picks

2. He has decent size and decent arm strength for a QB, raw materials that Gailey & Cortez can work with

3. Even when he was getting sacked senseless in Houston he was still in positive figures TD v INT for some of the seasons

4. He’s rebuilt a lot of his confidence in NYG behind a decent OL

5. His performance last season was better than the much championed Vick despite Vick actually starting a game

6. Between 2004-06 his QB rating was higher each season than Vick and he threw for over 1500 more yds. Whilst Vick's athleticism has diminished, Carr has grown accustomed to playing in cold weather

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water

Between 2004 and 2006 he was sacked a ridiculous 158 times because Houston thought they could get away with lower ranked OTs and guards out of position. Yet he still threw for 41 TDs v 37 INTS and an average of 8,786yds.

Its almost imaginable any QB performing much better behind that joke of a line and I think with a R1 LT being draft we could get at least 3-4 years out of him and not panic in drafting a QB but wait for someone like Andrew Luck to become available

One word = NO

[ByrdsTheWord]

Carr did have a very good camp with the Giants and was talked about a lot of the local shows in terms of maturity and how well he handled the scout teams and he took a bulk of firts team snaps as well once Eli hurt his foot.

I don't love him but I don't hate the idea either.

Of course he'd be confident playing behind that o-line. They make Eli look decent at times. He'd have flashbacks of his Texans days if he played behind our oline.

[better days]

It is not that easy. I can not begin to say how bad the guy played in Carolina. He was a deer in headlights, he locked on to his first receiver. The second he sniffed pressure he panicked. Once he was rattled his throws were off the rest of the game. He started out well playing well for a couple of games but defenses figured him out quickly and had a field day against him after that.

Maybe it was the offensive system the Panthers were running that defenses figured out.

[Aliceinchainsbills15]

A guy people forget about is David Carr. Here are some reasons to consider him

1. He’s not costing anything as a UFA and we need to retain all our picks

2. He has decent size and decent arm strength for a QB, raw materials that Gailey & Cortez can work with

3. Even when he was getting sacked senseless in Houston he was still in positive figures TD v INT for some of the seasons

4. He’s rebuilt a lot of his confidence in NYG behind a decent OL

5. His performance last season was better than the much championed Vick despite Vick actually starting a game

6. Between 2004-06 his QB rating was higher each season than Vick and he threw for over 1500 more yds. Whilst Vick's athleticism has diminished, Carr has grown accustomed to playing in cold weather

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water

Between 2004 and 2006 he was sacked a ridiculous 158 times because Houston thought they could get away with lower ranked OTs and guards out of position. Yet he still threw for 41 TDs v 37 INTS and an average of 8,786yds.

Its almost imaginable any QB performing much better behind that joke of a line and I think with a R1 LT being draft we could get at least 3-4 years out of him and not panic in drafting a QB but wait for someone like Andrew Luck to become available
No.

[don137]

Maybe it was the offensive system the Panthers were running that defenses figured out.
No, not at all. The offense was not great but not awful either. If memory serves me correctly Delhomme was 2-1 before he got hurt. Carr did ok the first couple of weeks and got banged up so they went out and got Vinny Testerverde. When Carr came back he was downright putrid (all dink and dunks with multiple sacks). He did so bad they put Vinny back in. At the end of the year when Vinny got hurt they put in a rookie, Matt Moore, because the whole team and city lost confidence in him.
You guys can believe what you want about him. Go look up the Panther box scres from 2010 if you do not believe me (dont't be surprised how the offense did not score under him and his stats were usually around 16-25 for 105 yards) I saw many games with Carr in there and he'd make the 2009 version of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards look good.
The Panther had 4 Qbs that year and Carr without question was by far the worst.

[trapezeus]

What? The wr's came alive with Fitz and he's a crappy qb. If Trent was never in there to begin with you would see our wr's were never the problem. .

WR's came alive? TO had two big games against rookie Dbs. Then he disappeared. QB'ing is an issue. i'm not denying that. it's awful.


and crappy qbing by Trent. .

never denied this. my point is that there are alot of things in flux with this team. putting manning back there isn't going to make much of a difference. We aren't one player away like the vikings. we have second rate WR's, second rate QBs', not even second rate linemen. This concept shouldn't be so hard for you to grasp.


why are you blaming Evans here and not the coaching and Trent? Our wr's made plays with Fitz instead of Trent. TO and Lee would've been alive with JP instead of Trent..

Evans has blame. whether he was not allowed to change his game/routes, he isn't a real number 1. he's like the #1 on the falcons. you can't even name that guy, but i'm sure falcon fans thinks he's great.

He's a nobody that's proven nothing at this point. If he was a game changer, he would have changed some games by now and he would have done it consistently. JP wouldn't have faired any better. He had better lines and did the same thing. So i'm not really impressed.

Coaching has been a huge issue. Jauron was god awful. but other bad teams have had a couple players step up. Where was evans, where was edwards. the only guy who stepped up was fred jackson. That's a guy that you have to wonder, if on a better team, how much better could he be.

[better days]

WR's came alive? TO had two big games against rookie Dbs. Then he disappeared. QB'ing is an issue. i'm not denying that. it's awful.



never denied this. my point is that there are alot of things in flux with this team. putting manning back there isn't going to make much of a difference. We aren't one player away like the vikings. we have second rate WR's, second rate QBs', not even second rate linemen. This concept shouldn't be so hard for you to grasp.



Evans has blame. whether he was not allowed to change his game/routes, he isn't a real number 1. he's like the #1 on the falcons. you can't even name that guy, but i'm sure falcon fans thinks he's great.

He's a nobody that's proven nothing at this point. If he was a game changer, he would have changed some games by now and he would have done it consistently. JP wouldn't have faired any better. He had better lines and did the same thing. So i'm not really impressed.

Coaching has been a huge issue. Jauron was god awful. but other bad teams have had a couple players step up. Where was evans, where was edwards. the only guy who stepped up was fred jackson. That's a guy that you have to wonder, if on a better team, how much better could he be.

It's hard for a WR to be a game changer when he is never thrown the ball. Edwards RARELY threw the ball to Evans, & if he did it was a poor throw for little yardage the vast majority of the time. There is no question when Fitzgerald started he got the ball or at least attempted to get the ball to the WR's many times more than Edwards did. Evans did change some games back when JP was at QB.

[X-Era]

A guy people forget about is David Carr. Here are some reasons to consider him

1. He’s not costing anything as a UFA and we need to retain all our picks

2. He has decent size and decent arm strength for a QB, raw materials that Gailey & Cortez can work with

3. Even when he was getting sacked senseless in Houston he was still in positive figures TD v INT for some of the seasons

4. He’s rebuilt a lot of his confidence in NYG behind a decent OL

5. His performance last season was better than the much championed Vick despite Vick actually starting a game

6. Between 2004-06 his QB rating was higher each season than Vick and he threw for over 1500 more yds. Whilst Vick's athleticism has diminished, Carr has grown accustomed to playing in cold weather

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water

Between 2004 and 2006 he was sacked a ridiculous 158 times because Houston thought they could get away with lower ranked OTs and guards out of position. Yet he still threw for 41 TDs v 37 INTS and an average of 8,786yds.

Its almost imaginable any QB performing much better behind that joke of a line and I think with a R1 LT being draft we could get at least 3-4 years out of him and not panic in drafting a QB but wait for someone like Andrew Luck to become available

I have no issue with guys that could compete for the backup job and that might even earn a starting job. I just do not want that to be considered all we need to do at the position. IMO, it will require much much more.

I have a problem bringing in guys like this and expecting them to be our starter.

I want a true starter, a guy who is a proven, playoff caliper starter. A guy who, despite the teams weaknesses, could still lead our team to a playoff berth.

To me, its a two fold process:

1) Trade for, or sign a veteran, proven, quality starter who can lead a mediocre team to enough wins to get to the playoffs. A significant upgrade to what we currently have which is two marginal starters and a unproven guy to develop.

2) Draft the best possible prospect to develop into our future QB.

Its both, not one or the other to me. When? Id say we need a new starting QB now. The draftee as our future franchise guy could wait but the earlier the better.

[X-Era]

A capable interim QB is not a "quick fix." A veteran UFA like Carr will not cost us any players or draft picks. We can thus fill our needs while not totally giving up on next season, and have a veteran guy as insurance in case our "good QB (drafted) the following year" is either not that good, or needs a few years to develop.

A guy like Carr, in fact, who will be only 31 next season, might turn out to be a very good QB for the next several years.

What the Hell is the harm in bringing in a guy who costs no players or picks, gives us a better chance next year, and could even be a 5-6 year QB solution.

You've really gone to the dark side, Trap.

My thought is just this Jan.

Whats the point?

You get a guy who is no more ready or capable of getting us wins than Trent or Fitz.

If its not a significant upgrade now, and can never be in the future, whats the point?

[justasportsfan]

WR's came alive? TO had two big games against rookie Dbs. Then he disappeared. QB'ing is an issue. i'm not denying that. it's awful.



never denied this. my point is that there are alot of things in flux with this team. putting manning back there isn't going to make much of a difference. We aren't one player away like the vikings. we have second rate WR's, second rate QBs', not even second rate linemen. This concept shouldn't be so hard for you to grasp.



Evans has blame. whether he was not allowed to change his game/routes, he isn't a real number 1. he's like the #1 on the falcons. you can't even name that guy, but i'm sure falcon fans thinks he's great.

He's a nobody that's proven nothing at this point. If he was a game changer, he would have changed some games by now and he would have done it consistently. JP wouldn't have faired any better. He had better lines and did the same thing. So i'm not really impressed.

Coaching has been a huge issue. Jauron was god awful. but other bad teams have had a couple players step up. Where was evans, where was edwards. the only guy who stepped up was fred jackson. That's a guy that you have to wonder, if on a better team, how much better could he be.

how can you be a game changer when the qb refuses to throw the ball? The wrs do not throw the ball to themselves. It's that simple.

Chad Ocho Cinco would do nothing with Trent at qb and Dick calling pop warner game plans.

JP would've faired better because he would take chances with his wrs. He did better with Lee only as his weapon. Trent had way more weapons. Not trying to turn this into a Jp vs. Trent thread. Fitz was a better qb because HE TRIED. When the qb doesn't try the wrs are useless.

[justasportsfan]

It's hard for a WR to be a game changer when he is never thrown the ball. Edwards RARELY threw the ball to Evans, & if he did it was a poor throw for little yardage the vast majority of the time. There is no question when Fitzgerald started he got the ball or at least attempted to get the ball to the WR's many times more than Edwards did. Evans did change some games back when JP was at QB.
word.

If Evans failed with decent qbing ,OL and playcalling I'll be the first to say he's a nobody.
Randy Moss was a nobody when he was with Oakland because he didn't have what he has at NE. The same can be said with Welker.

[DrGraves]

it is a sad day when bills fans have to justify why david carr might be a fix at qb...

[X-Era]

it is a sad day when bills fans try to justify why david carr might be a fix at qb...

Fixed it for ya!

:up:

[PromoTheRobot]

A guy people forget about is David Carr. Here are some reasons to consider him

1. He’s not costing anything as a UFA and we need to retain all our picks

2. He has decent size and decent arm strength for a QB, raw materials that Gailey & Cortez can work with

3. Even when he was getting sacked senseless in Houston he was still in positive figures TD v INT for some of the seasons

4. He’s rebuilt a lot of his confidence in NYG behind a decent OL

5. His performance last season was better than the much championed Vick despite Vick actually starting a game

6. Between 2004-06 his QB rating was higher each season than Vick and he threw for over 1500 more yds. Whilst Vick's athleticism has diminished, Carr has grown accustomed to playing in cold weather

7. He doesn't take bets on how long it will take a dog to drown when holding it under water

Between 2004 and 2006 he was sacked a ridiculous 158 times because Houston thought they could get away with lower ranked OTs and guards out of position. Yet he still threw for 41 TDs v 37 INTS and an average of 8,786yds.

Its almost imaginable any QB performing much better behind that joke of a line and I think with a R1 LT being draft we could get at least 3-4 years out of him and not panic in drafting a QB but wait for someone like Andrew Luck to become available

Absolutely! The Bills need a shellshocked QB who has never had a winning season in his NFL career. He'll fit right in.

PTR

[Griff]

out of the current UFAs he's probably the best. He is better than Vick too. I wouldn't be happy, but there are worse options, (The Chad)

[X-Era]

out of the current UFAs he's probably the best. He is better than Vick too. I wouldn't be happy, but there are worse options, (The Chad)

Chad has actually done more, so between these two mediocre QB's, Id take Chad.

[better days]

Chad has actually done more, so between these two mediocre QB's, Id take Chad.

Chad had a few decent years playing on much better teams than Carr has played on, but he is injury prone like Edwards.

[Jan Reimers]

Chad had a few decent years playing on much better teams than Carr has played on, but he is injury prone like Edwards.
Chad is also 3 years older, less mobile, and may have the weakest arm of any NFL QB. NOT a good arm for the Ralph.

[THATHURMANATOR]

No.
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[Night Train]

Carr is like Tim Couch. #1 pick in the draft, then camp fodder just 3-4 years later.

What a titanic sinker of a career but if no one wants him, how could it hurt to look at him at St. John Fisher ?