DB's Mock Draft v2.1

[DraftBoy]

Round 1
1 St Louis-DT Ndakumong Suh-Nebraska
2 Detroit –DT Gerald McCoy-Oklahoma
3 Tampa Bay-SS Eric Berry-Tennessee
4 Washington-OT Russell Okung-Oklahoma State
5 Kansas City –DE Derrick Morgan-Georgia Tech
6 Seattle-OT Bryan Bulaga-Iowa
7 Cleveland-CB Joe Haden-Florida
8 Oakland-QB Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
9 Buffalo-LB Rolando McClain-Alabama
10 Denver (f/Chicago)-OT Bruce Campbell-Maryland
11 Jacksonville –WR Dez Bryant-Oklahoma State
12 Miami- OLB Sergio Kindle-Texas
13 San Francisco-OT Anthony Davis-Rutgers
14 Seattle (f/ Denver)- QB Jimmy Clausen-Notre Dame
15 NY Giants- RB CJ Spiller-Clemson
16 Tennessee- DT Dan Williams-Tennessee
17 San Francisco (f/ Carolina)- FS Earl Thomas-Texas
18 Pittsburgh- RB Jonathan Dwyer-Georgia Tech
19 Atlanta- DE Brandon Graham-Michigan
20 Houston- DT Brian Price-UCLA
21 Cincinnati-DE Carlos Dunlap-Florida
22 New England- DE Jason Pierre-Paul-South Florida
23 Green Bay- OT Charles Brown-USC
24 Philadelphia-RB Jahvid Best-Cal
25 Baltimore-ILB Brandon Spikes-Florida
26 Arizona- QB Dan LeFevour-Central Michigan
27 Dallas-FS Chad Jones-LSU
28 San Diego- LB Ricky Sapp-Clemson
29 NY Jets-WR Brandon LaFell-LSU
30 Minnesota-CB Kyle Wilson-Boise State
31 Indianapolis-OLB Sean Weatherspoon-Missouri
32 New Orleans-OLB Navarro Bowman-Penn State

Round 2
33 St Louis-QB Jevan Snead-Ole Miss
34 Detroit-OT Valdimir Ducasse-UMass
35 Tampa Bay-WR Damian Williams-USC
36 Kansas City-NT Terrance Cody-Alabama
37 Washington- OG Mike Johnson-Alabama
38 Cleveland-OT Trent Williams-Oklahoma
39 Oakland-CB Perrish Cox-Oklahoma State
40 Seattle- OG Mike Iupati-Idaho
41 Buffalo- LB Jerry Hughes-TCU
Buffalo continues the 3-4 makeover by adding a young rush OLB in Jerry Hughes to the mix. He will team with Aaron Maybin on the outside to hopefully wreak havoc in George Edwards new blitzing schemes. Hughes like Maybin played DE in college and was seen as an undersized 4-3 prospect, who was a better fit as a stand up 3-4 OLB prospect. Hughes excels at getting off the snap and has a very good first step that allows him to beat slower OT’s. The combination of Maybin and Hughes running wild on the outside actually makes me feel good about this D for once.
42 Miami- WR Demayrius Thomas-Georgia Tech
43 Tampa Bay (f/Chicago)-DT D’Anthony Smith-Louisiana Tech
44 New England (f/ Jacksonville)-RB Ben Tate-Auburn
45 Carolina-WR Mardy Gilyard-Cincinnati
46 New England (f/ Tennessee)-WR Golden Tate-Notre Dame
47 NY Giants-OT Ciron Black-LSU
48 Denver-WR Arrelious Benn-Illinois
49 San Francisco-DT Vince Oghobaase-Duke
50 Houston-OG John Jerry-Ole Miss
51 Kansas City (/f Atlanta)-TE Aaron Hernandez-Florida
52 Pittsburgh- FS Taylor Mays-USC
53 Cincinnati-DT Arthur Jones-Syracuse
54 New England- TE Ed Dickson-Oregon
55 Green Bay-CB Trevard Lindley-Kentucky
56 Philadelphia-DE Everson Griffin-USC
57 Baltimore-WR Dezmon Briscoe-Kansas
58 Arizona- OT Jason Fox-Miami
59 Dallas-OT Kyle Calloway-Iowa
60 San Diego- OT Roger Saffold-Indiana
61 NY Jets-WR Jacoby Ford-Clemson
62 Minnesota-FS Major Wright-Florida
63 Indianapolis-RB Toby Gerhart-Stanford
64 New Orleans-CB Syd’Quan Thompson-Cal

Round 3
65 St Louis-OLB Eric Norwood-South Carolina
66 Detroit-CB Patrick Robinson-FSU
67 Tampa Bay-DE Austen Lane-Murray State
68 Washington FORFEITED PICK
69 Kansas City-OLB Greg Hardy-Ole Miss
70 Philadelphia (/f Seattle)-ILB Pat Angerer-Iowa
71 Cleveland-WR Eric Decker-Minnesota
72 Oakland-CB Brandon Ghee-Wake Forest
73 Buffalo-OT Jared Veldheer-Hillsdale
Many people are going to see this pick and be like…huh? And who? But let me assure you that Jared Veldheer could quickly become a household name in Buffalo with his size and skill level. At 6’8, 315 pounds Veldheer has potentially the best athleticism in the entire class (yes I'm talking to you Bruce Campbell) he runs the 40 in under 4.9, and has great agility and body control. He is very strong and has the frame to add even more muscle and not lose much, if any, agility. A true sleeper pick who is rising very quickly.
74 Chicago-DT Jared Odrick-Penn State
75 Jacksonville-DT Lamarr Houston-Texas
76 Miami-ILB Daryl Washington-TCU
77 San Francisco-CB Javier Arenas-Alabama
78 Denver-DE Corey Wooten-Northwestern
79 NY Giants-DT Jeff Owens-UGA
80 Tennessee-DE Clifton Geathers-South Carolina
81 Carolina-QB Tony Pike-Cincinnati
82 Pittsburgh-CB Donovan Warren-Michigan
83 Atlanta-WR Dexter McCluster-Ole Miss
84 Houston-DT Jeff Owens-UGA
85 Cincinnati-SS Reshad Jones-UGA
86 Oakland (/f New England)-LB Rennie Curran-UGA
87 Green Bay-DE Corey Peters-Kentucky
88 Philadelphia-FS Morgan Burnett-Georgia Tech
89 Baltimore-CB Akwasi Owusu-Asah-Indiana(Pa.)
90 Arizona-TE Anthony McCoy-USC
91 Dallas-ILB Sean Lee-Penn State
92 San Diego RB Joe McKnight-USC
93 Cleveland (/f NY Jets)-DE Tyson Alualu-Cal
94 Minnesota-OG Sergio Render-Virginia Tech
95 Indianapolis-DT Mike Neal-Purdue
96 New Orleans- DT Torrell Troup-UCF

[psubills62]

I generally like our picks. Getting Hughes in the 2nd would be a steal.

I do have to questions some of the guys you have falling. Arrelious Benn in the mid-second? Odrick in the 3rd? Everson Griffen in the late 2nd?

I also have to wonder about Bradford to Oakland. That would be the right pick for them, but if they're going to take a QB, I'd have to think Clausen would seem a lot flashier to Al Davis.

Thanks for posting it.

[BILLSROCK1212]

I see us trading up in the second round, like last year, and grabbing Trent Williams or Terrence Cody in the scenario you provided, but I'd be happy either way. Good work!!

[DraftBoy]

I generally like our picks. Getting Hughes in the 2nd would be a steal.

I do have to questions some of the guys you have falling. Arrelious Benn in the mid-second? Odrick in the 3rd? Everson Griffen in the late 2nd?

I also have to wonder about Bradford to Oakland. That would be the right pick for them, but if they're going to take a QB, I'd have to think Clausen would seem a lot flashier to Al Davis.

Thanks for posting it.

Benn isn't in the same class as some of the other WR's, he has the skills but he hasn't shown them off nearly enough, the lazy label is being floated with him.

Im not big on prospects (Odrick) who do everything well but nothing great, I dont like effort guys this high and I dont see a lot in Odrick's game that screams high ceiling.

Griffen is an enigma of sorts he has 1st round ability but his game tape shows lapses and his level of competition was so bad in the Pac-10. He disappeared at the end of the season registering 1 sack over the final 6 games, and he is a non-factor in the run game. He is very raw and needs to show me a lot more. His best game was abusing Notre Dame LT Sam Young.

[EDS]

I like what Seattle does in this mock for their offensive line. Jones/Hutchinson 2.0.

I would be shocked if Pittsburgh took a running back that high. Giants too.

I think Clausen drops into the second half of the first round.

[psubills62]

If the first three rounds did actually go like this, where do you see the Bills getting their NT? Fourth round? According to this, Cam Thomas would still be available in the 4th, is that the route you see them going?

[DraftBoy]

I like what Seattle does in this mock for their offensive line. Jones/Hutchinson 2.0.

I would be shocked if Pittsburgh took a running back that high. Giants too.

I think Clausen drops into the second half of the first round.

Pitt finished 19th in the league in rushing and lacks a true power option with Parker (who is over the hill) and Mendenhall.

Giants finished 17th but lack a playmaker on offense as a whole. Spiller is not just a RB he is also a dangerous return man, wildcat option, and can split out at WR.

Oh and I agree about Clausen.

[DraftBoy]

If the first three rounds did actually go like this, where do you see the Bills getting their NT? Fourth round? According to this, Cam Thomas would still be available in the 4th, is that the route you see them going?

Likely yes and adding a UDFA like Travis Ivey from Maryland to compete with Lonnie Harvey at the NT position.

[THATHURMANATOR]

HEY KERNO THERE ARE LT PROSPECTS OUTSIDE THE FIRST ROUND.

Just as I liked Billswins draft I also like this one.

[The Spaz]

Love the McClain and Hughes pick!:hump:

[EDS]

Pitt finished 19th in the league in rushing and lacks a true power option with Parker (who is over the hill) and Mendenhall.

Giants finished 17th but lack a playmaker on offense as a whole. Spiller is not just a RB he is also a dangerous return man, wildcat option, and can split out at WR.

Oh and I agree about Clausen.


I still see Pitt going o-line or d-line in round one (they would have alot to choose from under your mock). Giants probably the same, again with some nice options.

I could see Seattle taking Spiller the way you have the mock set-up (would be awesome with that revamped o-line), with Clausen then free falling to Arizona.

Always fun to speculate.

[k-oneputt]

Things learned:
Okung before Bulaga
Spiller before Dwyer
No wr's for the Bills at #9
T. Mays no longer 2nd pick of the draft

Things to learn:
Campbell to high at #10
LeFevour will not go in rd. 1
Odrick will go earlier then #74
McCluster will be better NFL player then Gerhart

[ChanGailey]

U really think Oakland is going to draft another QB in the top 10 so soon?

[Mahdi]

McClain and Hughes would be a robbery. But Hughes will not last until the second round, no way, no how.

The guy is considered the best pure speed rusher coming out and there will be a team to select him probably in the first 20 picks and not later than 32.

[Mahdi]

Raiders will not go QB yet. No way. Al is adamant about getting Russell to succeed and won't admit defeat yet.

Like the rest of your picks. Definitely see Cody, Iupati, and Snead going in the second.

Griffen going that late is iffy. I say top 40 is the latest for him.

[ByrdsTheWord]

U really think Oakland is going to draft another QB in the top 10 so soon?

You underestimate their stupidity.

[bigbub2352]

i see us going heavy on DLine and Oline in the draft and would love to draft Bulaga at 9
McClain is a MLB and i think Poz and Mitchell will be there and OLB will be Maybin and maybe a FA or Schobel, i think we need a LT and a NT over McClain even thou i would absloutly love him as a Bill

[Ron Burgundy]

Things learned:
T. Mays no longer 2nd pick of the draft

Oh, come on...nobody on Earth thought that Mays was ever worthy of the number two overall pick.

[Ron Burgundy]

McClain's a good linebacker and I'd be cool with him.

Honestly, I'd rather have Gilyard in the second than Hughes. If Cody drops he's an option, as is Oghobaase from Duke. Jason Fox will probably be somewhere in that area, too.

Veldheer is a riser and might not be available in the third.

[Ed]

I love the picks and Veldheer seems very intriguing, but using both of our first 2 picks on LB's seems unlikely to me. I think Schobel retires though, and I'm not a big Mitchell fan, so who knows. We would probably need to get a solid D-lineman in free agency though too.

[DraftBoy]

Oh, come on...nobody on Earth thought that Mays was ever worthy of the number two overall pick.

No he thinks he taught me these things. He's a big fan of mine.

[DraftBoy]

McClain and Hughes would be a robbery. But Hughes will not last until the second round, no way, no how.

The guy is considered the best pure speed rusher coming out and there will be a team to select him probably in the first 20 picks and not later than 32.

Don't be so quick to say that. Hughes is falling some, and Sapp and Kindle are rising fast.

[DraftBoy]

Raiders will not go QB yet. No way. Al is adamant about getting Russell to succeed and won't admit defeat yet.

Like the rest of your picks. Definitely see Cody, Iupati, and Snead going in the second.

Griffen going that late is iffy. I say top 40 is the latest for him.

Al isn't that adamant, don't be shocked if he's the pick. Logic would say he won't be but there is a shot. I mean Jamarcus Russell was beyond bad last season.

[DraftBoy]

McClain's a good linebacker and I'd be cool with him.

Honestly, I'd rather have Gilyard in the second than Hughes. If Cody drops he's an option, as is Oghobaase from Duke. Jason Fox will probably be somewhere in that area, too.

Veldheer is a riser and might not be available in the third.

Dont see anything in Gilyard that he would add immediately like Hughes would. Gilyard is another smaller WR, with good speed, but not great or elite. He has to work on his route running and his hands are inconsistent at times.

[DraftBoy]

Things learned:
Okung before Bulaga
Spiller before Dwyer
No wr's for the Bills at #9
T. Mays no longer 2nd pick of the draft

Things to learn:
Campbell to high at #10
LeFevour will not go in rd. 1
Odrick will go earlier then #74
McCluster will be better NFL player then Gerhart

You tell me things like I dont know them already. Do you think I mock these out because Im going for 100% accuracy?? I mean come on, you can't possibly believe that, right?

[Mitchell55]

Round 1
1 St Louis-DT Ndakumong Suh-Nebraska
2 Detroit –DT Gerald McCoy-Oklahoma
3 Tampa Bay-SS Eric Berry-Tennessee
4 Washington-OT Russell Okung-Oklahoma State
5 Kansas City –DE Derrick Morgan-Georgia Tech
6 Seattle-OT Bryan Bulaga-Iowa
7 Cleveland-CB Joe Haden-Florida
8 Oakland-QB Sam Bradford-Oklahoma
9 Buffalo-LB Rolando McClain-Alabama
10 Denver (f/Chicago)-OT Bruce Campbell-Maryland
11 Jacksonville –WR Dez Bryant-Oklahoma State
12 Miami- OLB Sergio Kindle-Texas
13 San Francisco-OT Anthony Davis-Rutgers
14 Seattle (f/ Denver)- QB Jimmy Clausen-Notre Dame
15 NY Giants- RB CJ Spiller-Clemson
16 Tennessee- DT Dan Williams-Tennessee
17 San Francisco (f/ Carolina)- FS Earl Thomas-Texas
18 Pittsburgh- RB Jonathan Dwyer-Georgia Tech
19 Atlanta- DE Brandon Graham-Michigan
20 Houston- DT Brian Price-UCLA
21 Cincinnati-DE Carlos Dunlap-Florida
22 New England- DE Jason Pierre-Paul-South Florida
23 Green Bay- OT Charles Brown-USC
24 Philadelphia-RB Jahvid Best-Cal
25 Baltimore-ILB Brandon Spikes-Florida
26 Arizona- QB Dan LeFevour-Central Michigan
27 Dallas-FS Chad Jones-LSU
28 San Diego- LB Ricky Sapp-Clemson
29 NY Jets-WR Brandon LaFell-LSU
30 Minnesota-CB Kyle Wilson-Boise State
31 Indianapolis-OLB Sean Weatherspoon-Missouri
32 New Orleans-OLB Navarro Bowman-Penn State

Round 2
33 St Louis-QB Jevan Snead-Ole Miss
34 Detroit-OT Valdimir Ducasse-UMass
35 Tampa Bay-WR Damian Williams-USC
36 Kansas City-NT Terrance Cody-Alabama
37 Washington- OG Mike Johnson-Alabama
38 Cleveland-OT Trent Williams-Oklahoma
39 Oakland-CB Perrish Cox-Oklahoma State
40 Seattle- OG Mike Iupati-Idaho
41 Buffalo- LB Jerry Hughes-TCU
Buffalo continues the 3-4 makeover by adding a young rush OLB in Jerry Hughes to the mix. He will team with Aaron Maybin on the outside to hopefully wreak havoc in George Edwards new blitzing schemes. Hughes like Maybin played DE in college and was seen as an undersized 4-3 prospect, who was a better fit as a stand up 3-4 OLB prospect. Hughes excels at getting off the snap and has a very good first step that allows him to beat slower OT’s. The combination of Maybin and Hughes running wild on the outside actually makes me feel good about this D for once.
42 Miami- WR Demayrius Thomas-Georgia Tech
43 Tampa Bay (f/Chicago)-DT D’Anthony Smith-Louisiana Tech
44 New England (f/ Jacksonville)-RB Ben Tate-Auburn
45 Carolina-WR Mardy Gilyard-Cincinnati
46 New England (f/ Tennessee)-WR Golden Tate-Notre Dame
47 NY Giants-OT Ciron Black-LSU
48 Denver-WR Arrelious Benn-Illinois
49 San Francisco-DT Vince Oghobaase-Duke
50 Houston-OG John Jerry-Ole Miss
51 Kansas City (/f Atlanta)-TE Aaron Hernandez-Florida
52 Pittsburgh- FS Taylor Mays-USC
53 Cincinnati-DT Arthur Jones-Syracuse
54 New England- TE Ed Dickson-Oregon
55 Green Bay-CB Trevard Lindley-Kentucky
56 Philadelphia-DE Everson Griffin-USC
57 Baltimore-WR Dezmon Briscoe-Kansas
58 Arizona- OT Jason Fox-Miami
59 Dallas-OT Kyle Calloway-Iowa
60 San Diego- OT Roger Saffold-Indiana
61 NY Jets-WR Jacoby Ford-Clemson
62 Minnesota-FS Major Wright-Florida
63 Indianapolis-RB Toby Gerhart-Stanford
64 New Orleans-CB Syd’Quan Thompson-Cal

Round 3
65 St Louis-OLB Eric Norwood-South Carolina
66 Detroit-CB Patrick Robinson-FSU
67 Tampa Bay-DE Austen Lane-Murray State
68 Washington FORFEITED PICK
69 Kansas City-OLB Greg Hardy-Ole Miss
70 Philadelphia (/f Seattle)-ILB Pat Angerer-Iowa
71 Cleveland-WR Eric Decker-Minnesota
72 Oakland-CB Brandon Ghee-Wake Forest
73 Buffalo-OT Jared Veldheer-Hillsdale
Many people are going to see this pick and be like…huh? And who? But let me assure you that Jared Veldheer could quickly become a household name in Buffalo with his size and skill level. At 6’8, 315 pounds Veldheer has potentially the best athleticism in the entire class (yes I'm talking to you Bruce Campbell) he runs the 40 in under 4.9, and has great agility and body control. He is very strong and has the frame to add even more muscle and not lose much, if any, agility. A true sleeper pick who is rising very quickly.
74 Chicago-DT Jared Odrick-Penn State
75 Jacksonville-DT Lamarr Houston-Texas
76 Miami-ILB Daryl Washington-TCU
77 San Francisco-CB Javier Arenas-Alabama
78 Denver-DE Corey Wooten-Northwestern
79 NY Giants-DT Jeff Owens-UGA
80 Tennessee-DE Clifton Geathers-South Carolina
81 Carolina-QB Tony Pike-Cincinnati
82 Pittsburgh-CB Donovan Warren-Michigan
83 Atlanta-WR Dexter McCluster-Ole Miss
84 Houston-DT Jeff Owens-UGA
85 Cincinnati-SS Reshad Jones-UGA
86 Oakland (/f New England)-LB Rennie Curran-UGA
87 Green Bay-DE Corey Peters-Kentucky
88 Philadelphia-FS Morgan Burnett-Georgia Tech
89 Baltimore-CB Akwasi Owusu-Asah-Indiana(Pa.)
90 Arizona-TE Anthony McCoy-USC
91 Dallas-ILB Sean Lee-Penn State
92 San Diego RB Joe McKnight-USC
93 Cleveland (/f NY Jets)-DE Tyson Alualu-Cal
94 Minnesota-OG Sergio Render-Virginia Tech
95 Indianapolis-DT Mike Neal-Purdue
96 New Orleans- DT Torrell Troup-UCF


Oakland does not go QB and we do not pass on Clausen. 2nd, Sneed is a huge reach for anyone in the 2nd. Graham doesnt fall, he will be a top 10-15 pick soon. Didnt I have Veldheer on a mock a couple of weeks ago and got completley bashed on it?? http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=187154&highlight=mock

[k-oneputt]

No he thinks he taught me these things. He's a big fan of mine.

Those were your statements and mock drafts not mine. Just stating you have made some changes.

[Mahdi]

Al isn't that adamant, don't be shocked if he's the pick. Logic would say he won't be but there is a shot. I mean Jamarcus Russell was beyond bad last season.
The whole reason Al was considering firing Cable was because Cable was against the idea of starting Russell again next year.

Al is not going to give up on Russell yet.

The other thing you have to consider is that Al hates drafting QBs high in the draft. Russell was the exception because A: He wowed him with his incredible measurables and arm strength and B: Because Russell was considered the top can't miss prospect and QB was a need.

[SquishDaFish]

God I hope NE doesnt get Tate Id be pissed

[Ron Burgundy]

Dont see anything in Gilyard that he would add immediately like Hughes would. Gilyard is another smaller WR, with good speed, but not great or elite. He has to work on his route running and his hands are inconsistent at times.

What's Hughes adding? Between Maybin, Ellis, and possibly Schobel still here, where does he fit in?

I like Gilyard, he's not big but he can definitely play. McCluster's fun to watch, too, and I'm not sure he's available in the second half of the third round. Maybe. ****, I don't know. Mock drafts are stupid.

[DraftBoy]

What's Hughes adding? Between Maybin, Ellis, and possibly Schobel still here, where does he fit in?

I like Gilyard, he's not big but he can definitely play. McCluster's fun to watch, too, and I'm not sure he's available in the second half of the third round. Maybe. ****, I don't know. Mock drafts are stupid.

He's better than all three from the get go for starters. Hughes has experience at TCU playing stand up outside, something none of the other three have, plus he's quicker has better pass rush moves, and more agility them all as well.

I agree they are stupid but the intent of mine at least is to make people think and go against just popular thought. Hence what it has made you do with the bolded.

[DraftBoy]

Oakland does not go QB and we do not pass on Clausen. 2nd, Sneed is a huge reach for anyone in the 2nd. Graham doesnt fall, he will be a top 10-15 pick soon. Didnt I have Veldheer on a mock a couple of weeks ago and got completley bashed on it?? http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=187154&highlight=mock

A couple of weeks ago he was a reach, but since some interviews, an official weigh in and a week worth of practice against talent level above that face of Hillsdale, his stock has risen, quite sharply. He was the best OT at the Texas v. The Nation game.

And I didnt bash you for the pick, so what is your point?

[JCBills]

I generally like our picks. Getting Hughes in the 2nd would be a steal.

I do have to questions some of the guys you have falling. Arrelious Benn in the mid-second? Odrick in the 3rd? Everson Griffen in the late 2nd?

I also have to wonder about Bradford to Oakland. That would be the right pick for them, but if they're going to take a QB, I'd have to think Clausen would seem a lot flashier to Al Davis.

Thanks for posting it.

Regardless of consensus projections, people will slide. Every team's big board will be different. Also, if everyone went where they were projected to, there would have to be a lot more than 32 picks per round haha.

[JCBills]

What's Hughes adding? Between Maybin, Ellis, and possibly Schobel still here, where does he fit in?

I like Gilyard, he's not big but he can definitely play. McCluster's fun to watch, too, and I'm not sure he's available in the second half of the third round. Maybe. ****, I don't know. Mock drafts are stupid.

Hughes = possible instant impact strong side OLB.

[Raptor]

Current NFL Player comparison for Jared Veldheer?

[DraftBoy]

Current NFL Player comparison for Jared Veldheer?


Good question, I dont usually do comparisons because they are so easy to find holes in but if I had to find somebody Id go with an extremely raw Jake Long type. Similar size, and athleticism. The big difference is that Long is a technician, while that's what Veldheer needs to work on. He needs refinement and polish, but I think he has big time starting LT potential.

[jamze132]

DB, I'm kind of pissed that you don't have us drafting a CB or a SS on Day 1. And WTF are you thinking not drafting Moorman's replacement in RD3???

Your slipping...

[DraftBoy]

DB, I'm kind of pissed that you don't have us drafting a CB or a SS on Day 1. And WTF are you thinking not drafting Moorman's replacement in RD3???

Your slipping...

You're*

And I know Im a little ashamed!

[WeAreArthurMoates]

Im telling ya, if Clausen's on the board he will be a bill.

[Ron Burgundy]

He's better than all three from the get go for starters. Hughes has experience at TCU playing stand up outside, something none of the other three have, plus he's quicker has better pass rush moves, and more agility them all as well.

So Hughes starts from day 1? Who is on the outs? Gotta get Maybin on the field, unless he really is a bust. Which could be the case but it's too early to tell.


I agree they are stupid but the intent of mine at least is to make people think and go against just popular thought. Hence what it has made you do with the bolded.

Oh, I wouldn't be responding to this stuff otherwise.

I love college football, and I like the draft.

[Lone Stranger]

I don't believe we need another project as in round 3. We've got to get someone who can perform immediately....unless you think we can pick up someone in free agency...who I don't think exists.

[jamze132]

You're*

And I know Im a little ashamed!
Thanks for corrercting my grammar error. Gotta keep on them damn toes!

[elltrain22]

I honestly don't know a thing about Jared Veldheer, but I absolutely love the first 2 picks. I know we need O-line & NT's, but you talk about 2 guys that can flat out play. Hughes and McClain would help us in so many ways, but we're not smart enough or lucky enough for that to come true.

[SABURZFAN]

Do you think I mock these out because Im going for 100% accuracy?? I mean come on, you can't possibly believe that, right?


i was believing it for the first 57 picks. then when i got to Jason Fox going to Arizona at pick #58, i knew it was BS. :snicker:

[JCBills]

You're*

And I know Im a little ashamed!

I'm*

win :D

[clumping platelets]

I believe this is the 1st mock by DB that I liked :eek:

[TigerJ]

I don't know, DraftBoy. Being from Hillsdale, Veldheer is bound to be an arch conservative, and may not fit well in a union town like Buffalo.

[DraftBoy]

So Hughes starts from day 1? Who is on the outs? Gotta get Maybin on the field, unless he really is a bust. Which could be the case but it's too early to tell.



Oh, I wouldn't be responding to this stuff otherwise.

I love college football, and I like the draft.


Yea I think so, I dont think Aaron Schoebl at this point in his career is going to up for a switch to a whole new position. And all Hughes would have to do is basically beat out Chris Kelsay and Chris Ellis, so in other words he'd need to sign his contract and he's beat them out.

[DraftBoy]

Thanks for corrercting my grammar error. Gotta keep on them damn toes!

I gotta pick on you Mets fans while I still can!

[DraftBoy]

I don't believe we need another project as in round 3. We've got to get someone who can perform immediately....unless you think we can pick up someone in free agency...who I don't think exists.

I do, think we can but I also dont think Veldheer is a huge prospect, he's not Demetrius Bell style raw where he'd need a year or two on the bench. I dont think he's a day 1 starter but he's only a year away.

Keep in mind its rare to find starters in their first year in Round 3 and later.

[DraftBoy]

I don't know, DraftBoy. Being from Hillsdale, Veldheer is bound to be an arch conservative, and may not fit well in a union town like Buffalo.

:rofl:

Good point!

Im :busted:

[Griff]

I hate this, our offense would continue to suck.

[kernowboy]

Why do Denver draft Campbell when they have ProBowler Ryan Clady at LT?

[SABURZFAN]

Why do Denver draft Campbell when they have ProBowler Ryan Clady at LT?


Campbell would start immediately at RT for that team.

[TedMock]

Still love McClain. I have to say though, even with us drafting Maybin, Pierre-Paul is a freak athlete and I wouldn't be shocked if we picked him up (or Sergio Kindle for that matter).

DB - the one pick that really surprised me was Lefevour in the first round. How realistic do you think that is? I know his senior bowl performance raised some eyebrows, but I still think Gilyard was more part of those plays than Lefevour. He still pushes the ball and doesn't seem to have real zip on most of his passes. The 18 yard out, for example, seems like it's going to be a career long problem. I still think that Bradford is the only 1st round quality QB. Clausen will be a 1st round reach by a desperate team, but I'm still not a fan of his in round one. I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy at all and I still consider Lefevour a 5th rounder. Combine and pro-day may change that though.

[DraftBoy]

Still love McClain. I have to say though, even with us drafting Maybin, Pierre-Paul is a freak athlete and I wouldn't be shocked if we picked him up (or Sergio Kindle for that matter).

DB - the one pick that really surprised me was Lefevour in the first round. How realistic do you think that is? I know his senior bowl performance raised some eyebrows, but I still think Gilyard was more part of those plays than Lefevour. He still pushes the ball and doesn't seem to have real zip on most of his passes. The 18 yard out, for example, seems like it's going to be a career long problem. I still think that Bradford is the only 1st round quality QB. Clausen will be a 1st round reach by a desperate team, but I'm still not a fan of his in round one. I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy at all and I still consider Lefevour a 5th rounder. Combine and pro-day may change that though.

Not very, in all likelihood I think LeFev goes towards the end of Round 2, and his skill set is probably closer to a 3rd or 4th Round prospect, but this draft is QB deprived its sad.

I dont know if any QB is going to test all that well at the combine, but there could be a dark horse candidate that emerges like a Zac Robinson. The QB class in this draft absolutely sucks as a whole.

[Mahdi]

Yea I think so, I dont think Aaron Schoebl at this point in his career is going to up for a switch to a whole new position. And all Hughes would have to do is basically beat out Chris Kelsay and Chris Ellis, so in other words he'd need to sign his contract and he's beat them out.
Didn't Schobel say that he felt he would be more of a fit in a 3-4?

[Mahdi]

Not very, in all likelihood I think LeFev goes towards the end of Round 2, and his skill set is probably closer to a 3rd or 4th Round prospect, but this draft is QB deprived its sad.

I dont know if any QB is going to test all that well at the combine, but there could be a dark horse candidate that emerges like a Zac Robinson. The QB class in this draft absolutely sucks as a whole.
I like Zac Robinson a lot. I think he is definitely a dark horse. He had a rough season but he also lost Dez Bryant which clearly had an effect on the offense.

[DraftBoy]

Didn't Schobel say that he felt he would be more of a fit in a 3-4?

He also said he wants to be close to his family, his body is failing him, and he would have to learn an entire new defense. Even if he comes back Im not sure he has the skill level as an outside backer to be a starter. His speed is down from past seasons and he is a better hand down end imo.

[DraftBoy]

I like Zac Robinson a lot. I think he is definitely a dark horse. He had a rough season but he also lost Dez Bryant which clearly had an effect on the offense.

My issue with him is centered around arm strength, and consistency issues.

[billsfanryan]

You don't think germaine gresham goes anywhere in the first 3 rounds? There is less than 1% chance of him not being taken in the first round....

[DraftBoy]

You don't think germaine gresham goes anywhere in the first 3 rounds? There is less than 1% chance of him not being taken in the first round....

Germaine Gresham is not in the draft, however Jermaine Gresham is.

And I dont think he's a first round pick but he will go in Round 2, I put Dickson in his place intially because there was a report that he may not run at the Combine, which will hurt him. I can't mock a guy who I hasn't played a down in over a year and has undergone a serious knee surgery that he may or may not be able to recover from. Far too much risk for a team right now, and this is not Willis McGahee, and TE is not as valuable as a RB so please don't use that as your counter example.

[THATHURMANATOR]

DB have you heard any news at all on Gresham's rehab progress?

[DraftBoy]

DB have you heard any news at all on Gresham's rehab progress?

Not much, Billswin is the local guy in the area but much of his rehab has seemed very tight lipped.

This was the last thing I heard that I trust;
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2010-Big-Board/Jermaine-Gresham*.html


12.31.09 - Oklahoma TE Jermaine Gresham, who missed the entire season after undergoing knee surgery, has reportedly been running and cutting on the sidelines during practices this week. Gresham, who was on crutches for a couple of months following a surgical procedure that stitched back together torn cartilage in his knee, is still planning to enter the 2010 draft where he hopes to be a first-round pick, although he likely won’t be 100% during pre-draft testing.

If he runs and he's not 100% he is putting his stock in danger, he may be better off waiting till his pro day to see how much better his knee can get. The last line though bothers me a good deal. The recovery for this kind of a surgery is usually about 5 months and early reports said this;


09.08.09 - Oklahoma tight end Jermaine Gresham will miss the remainder of the year, after season-ending surgery on his injured knee. Gresham underwent arthroscopic surgery to repair torn cartilage. The recovery time for that procedure is usually about five months, which would be just in time for the NFL Scouting Combine in February. It is also worth noting Gresham has yet to red-shirt and could opt to return to school next fall.

So now the timetable is being pushed back by two or three months on full recovery, you can connect the dots here. So no official news no, but things aren't looking great.

[jamze132]

I gotta pick on you Mets fans while I still can!
Pitchers and catchers in a week!

[PECKERWOOD]

Taking two linebackers with the 9th and 41st pick is profoundly ******ed because linebackers have been slipping till the 2nd round over the last 2-3 drafts or so. I'm all for using our 2nd & 3rd on an ILB & perhaps an OLB since Schobel may a.) retire b.) be traded. Sign me up for Bulaga with the 9th and Spikes with the 41st pick and Kindle with our 3rd.

[northernbillfan]

You don't think germaine gresham goes anywhere in the first 3 rounds? There is less than 1% chance of him not being taken in the first round....Welcome to the Zone and don't mind DB. His posts may have a pretentious air to them and sound a little pompous, but he does know his stuff.

[billsfanryan]

Germaine Gresham is not in the draft, however Jermaine Gresham is.

And I dont think he's a first round pick but he will go in Round 2, I put Dickson in his place intially because there was a report that he may not run at the Combine, which will hurt him. I can't mock a guy who I hasn't played a down in over a year and has undergone a serious knee surgery that he may or may not be able to recover from. Far too much risk for a team right now, and this is not Willis McGahee, and TE is not as valuable as a RB so please don't use that as your counter example.

Sorry spelled his name wrong, I am a new sooners fan (because my friend is diehard about oklahoma and i drink a lot with him).

Your reasons are good for not putting him in your mock make sense. I was just curious why you didn't have him in there when, prior to injury, he was far and away the best TE prospect.

[DraftBoy]

Sorry spelled his name wrong, I am a new sooners fan (because my friend is diehard about oklahoma and i drink a lot with him).

Your reasons are good for not putting him in your mock make sense. I was just curious why you didn't have him in there when, prior to injury, he was far and away the best TE prospect.


No big deal, just a friendly ribbing.

If he tests healthy he is my top TE but right now there is a lot of doubt about that and just how his rehab is going. We'll know more in a few weeks.

[JCBills]

So Hughes starts from day 1? Who is on the outs? Gotta get Maybin on the field, unless he really is a bust. Which could be the case but it's too early to tell.



Oh, I wouldn't be responding to this stuff otherwise.

I love college football, and I like the draft.

ROLB - Maybin
RILB - Poz
LILB - McClain
LOLB - Hughes

That could be an absolutely dominant young LB corps. An absurd amount of athleticism on the outside paired with a ridiculous amount of instinct, leadership, football knowledge, and hitting ability in the middle between the two of them.

I'm actually hoping this is a defensive heavy draft, ILB, OLB, DE, and NT should be addressed within the first 5 picks, and I'm hoping OBD swings some trades, players that don't fit the scheme but have a lot of value like Kyle Williams, or someone who has been outplayed like Donte Whitner. Extra 2nd-4th rounders is a must IMO. If we swing these first two picks, we have the secondary and linebackers fairly well off.

If we can swing that extra 3rd somehow, or if they're available when we pick in the 4th, either Alex Carrington (3rd) or C.J. Wilson (3rd-4th) would be ideal for weak side 3-4 DEs. Both offer a good combination of size (284 lbs), athleticism, stoutness against the run, and ability to create pressure.

We also need to somehow scoop a NT between the 2nd and 5th, hopefully they're looking towards Cam Thomas, Torrell Troup, or one of the ECU big duo. Also a lot of priority UDFA NT prospects this year.

[PECKERWOOD]

Jermaine Gresham is an awesome TE prospect, too bad we have greater needs because I'd love to have him.

[TedMock]

Taking two linebackers with the 9th and 41st pick is profoundly ******ed because linebackers have been slipping till the 2nd round over the last 2-3 drafts or so. I'm all for using our 2nd & 3rd on an ILB & perhaps an OLB since Schobel may a.) retire b.) be traded. Sign me up for Bulaga with the 9th and Spikes with the 41st pick and Kindle with our 3rd.

I'm good with Bulaga (unless Okung falls to us) and Spikes in the second, but I think Kindle goes in the first round to somebody. I would not be shocked if it were us. Not my top choice, but it wouldn't shock me. Same with JPP.

[billsfanryan]

Welcome to the Zone and don't mind DB. His posts may have a pretentious air to them and sound a little pompous, but he does know his stuff.
Thanks, I like to read but not post on forums. I just had to post when I didn't see Gresham on his mock when everything I have heard says he is a round one prospect (that I would absolutely love to have even though he is a luxury we can't afford).


No big deal, just a friendly ribbing.

If he tests healthy he is my top TE but right now there is a lot of doubt about that and just how his rehab is going. We'll know more in a few weeks.
I haven't heard much about his rehab other than what you posted. My friend is a giant oklahoma fan and we are both usually drunk when we start talking sooners football so I usually can't remember what he says about bradford's and gresham's rehab. But I like that you understand he is the top prospect if healthy.

[psubills62]

ROLB - Maybin
RILB - Poz
LILB - McClain
LOLB - Hughes

That could be an absolutely dominant young LB corps. An absurd amount of athleticism on the outside paired with a ridiculous amount of instinct, leadership, football knowledge, and hitting ability in the middle between the two of them.

I'm actually hoping this is a defensive heavy draft, ILB, OLB, DE, and NT should be addressed within the first 5 picks, and I'm hoping OBD swings some trades, players that don't fit the scheme but have a lot of value like Kyle Williams, or someone who has been outplayed like Donte Whitner. Extra 2nd-4th rounders is a must IMO. If we swing these first two picks, we have the secondary and linebackers fairly well off.

If we can swing that extra 3rd somehow, or if they're available when we pick in the 4th, either Alex Carrington (3rd) or C.J. Wilson (3rd-4th) would be ideal for weak side 3-4 DEs. Both offer a good combination of size (284 lbs), athleticism, stoutness against the run, and ability to create pressure.

We also need to somehow scoop a NT between the 2nd and 5th, hopefully they're looking towards Cam Thomas, Torrell Troup, or one of the ECU big duo. Also a lot of priority UDFA NT prospects this year.

Honestly, I want a good mix of defense and offense. Both sides need revamping, and neither will be fixed in one offseason. Honestly, if they don't get a top NT in this draft...no biggie imo, because this will practically be a lost season anyway.

Despite my thoughts on that, that is a fantastic-looking LB corps. Add a little depth to both ILB and OLB, and that could be a dominant group of 4, depending on how they develop.

Side note: how come billsfanryan is credited with only 2 posts? I see 3 on this page alone.

[alohabillsfan]

I could be happy with rd's 1 and 2 if we have a NT that can keep the guards off of the LB's.