Combine Surprises and Disappointments [Archive] - BillsZone.com

DraftBoy

03-01-2010, 10:55 AM

psubills62

03-01-2010, 11:12 AM

Surprises:
Toby Gerhart
Jarrett Brown
Dorin Dickerson
Tony Moeaki
Trent Williams
Lonyae Miller
Geno Atkins
Clay Harbor
Marcus Easley

Disappointments:
Dexter McCluster
Sean Canfield
Jonathan Dwyer
Dezmon Briscoe

Who are yours so far?

Definitely agree with the bolded.

So far the biggest surprise for me personally was seeing that Navorro Bowman showed up at 242 pounds, and benched 225 26 times (33" arms).

Surprises:
Ben Tate
Roger Saffold

Disappointments:
Andrew Quarless
Jordan Shipley

DraftBoy

03-01-2010, 11:20 AM

Definitely agree with the bolded.

So far the biggest surprise for me personally was seeing that Navorro Bowman showed up at 242 pounds, and benched 225 26 times (33" arms).

Surprises:
Ben Tate
Roger Saffold

Disappointments:
Andrew Quarless
Jordan Shipley

Why Quarless?

Showed up at 6'4, 254 , 34 inch arms (tied for 3rd longest), 4.69 40 (ties for 5th fastest), 23 reps (tied for 5th most), and 32 inch vertical (worst vertical), and has massive 10 1/4 hands (4th largest hands).

psubills62

03-01-2010, 11:22 AM

Why Quarless?

Showed up at 6'4, 254 , 34 inch arms (tied for 3rd longest), 4.69 40 (ties for 5th fastest), 23 reps (tied for 5th most), and 32 inch vertical (worst vertical), and has massive 10 1/4 hands (4th largest hands).

Mostly the 40. Obviously 4.69 is decent, but I thought he was more athletic than that. Obviously his measurements are good, but I thought he'd dominate a little more physically at the combine. I did hear good reviews of him.

WeAreArthurMoates

03-01-2010, 11:31 AM

Surprises
John Skelton
Jevan Snead
Charles Brown (got that weight up quickly)
Trent Williams
Micah Johnson

Disappointments
Anthony Davis
Gerald McCoy
Rolando McClain
Gerald McCoy
Mardy Gillyard

DraftBoy

03-01-2010, 12:15 PM

Surprises
John Skelton
Jevan Snead
Charles Brown (got that weight up quickly)
Trent Williams
Micah Johnson

Disappointments
Anthony Davis
Gerald McCoy
Rolando McClain
Gerald McCoy
Mardy Gillyard

Sadly Anthony Davis didn't disappoint me because I expected almost nothing from him....

Gilyard was a disappointment though.

WeAreArthurMoates

03-01-2010, 12:18 PM

Sadly Anthony Davis didn't disappoint me because I expected almost nothing from him....

Gilyard was a disappointment though.

I liked Davis but should of took your advice. If Bulaga, Trent Williams, Rodger Saffold, Charles Brown and Bruce Campbell are my choices for LT and in that order.

psubills62

03-01-2010, 01:20 PM

I'll add Brandon Lafell to the disappointments.

PECKERWOOD

03-01-2010, 01:24 PM

Trent Williams and Bruce Campbell really helped their stock, especially Trent Williams with that sub 5.0 40 time. I knew Gerhart was going to surprise people with his 40 time, I called a sub 4.5, but sadly the track is causing many of the prospects to run slower times than usual. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Gerhart runs a sub 4.5 at his pro day. Another guy who I still think is going to rise quite a bit is Brandon Graham, he put up 30+ reps at 225lbs as predicted, but we're still waiting on his 40 time.

psubills62

03-01-2010, 01:26 PM

So far the biggest surprise for me personally was seeing that Navorro Bowman showed up at 242 pounds, and benched 225 26 times (33" arms).

By the way, my main point here was that Bowman seems to be entering the realm of possibility as a 3-4 ILB. Seeing his 40 time as 4.72 makes it obvious that the weight gain has cost him some speed. However, he always seems to play faster than he looks (although who knows with the extra weight), and speed generally seems to be neutralized at ILB in the 3-4.

I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about Bowman to ILB. If he can play at that weight...he's good at blitzing , in coverage, and sifting through trash to get to the ball carrier. I think he'd be a good fit, personally, IF he can maintain his level of play at 240-250 lbs.

JCBills

03-01-2010, 02:05 PM

CJ Wilson surprised me with 32 reps.

He's been steadily adding weight since his junior season, he's up to 290 now, and I think that showed some scouts that he can play 3-4 end.

PECKERWOOD

03-01-2010, 03:13 PM

By the way, my main point here was that Bowman seems to be entering the realm of possibility as a 3-4 ILB. Seeing his 40 time as 4.72 makes it obvious that the weight gain has cost him some speed. However, he always seems to play faster than he looks (although who knows with the extra weight), and speed generally seems to be neutralized at ILB in the 3-4.

I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about Bowman to ILB. If he can play at that weight...he's good at blitzing , in coverage, and sifting through trash to get to the ball carrier. I think he'd be a good fit, personally, IF he can maintain his level of play at 240-250 lbs.

I can't say that I would be mad if we took him in the 2nd to 3rd round, OBD certainly has a fetish for PSU prospects so your analysis probably isn't too far fetched.

tampabay25690

03-01-2010, 03:32 PM

My dissappointment is Gerald McCoy a DT benched 225 23 times.......
What has he been doing at OKLAHOMA..........
He will get lit up by a CENTER in the NFL if he doesnt get stronger.....

McCoy is my Glen Dorsey of this draft OVERRATED............

Night Train

03-01-2010, 03:46 PM

Trent Williams showed he can play NFL LT without a doubt with that strong display of footwork. I already liked the film on him and wondered why everyone was so quick to project him to RT.

If we picked him at #9, I'd be fine with that. Instant starter at a crying position of need.

McClain deciding to not work out at the last second looks bad. Whatever, since I can see 3-4 ILB's into the middle rounds.

JCBills

03-01-2010, 04:09 PM

Also, how about Torrell Troup's 34 reps? He's back up to 314 and looked good, seems like he could carry 320+ relatively easy. You can see his lower body strength in games, and this helps answer questions about his upper strength and stamina. 34 inch arms and almost 10 inch hands as well, looks like a very good NT prospect.

YardRat

03-01-2010, 04:41 PM

Anybody that's labeled a 'surprise' please don't shoot up the draft boards.

McClain supposedly backed out because of a bad hammy.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=5712&line=168554&spln=1

DraftBoy

03-01-2010, 04:49 PM

YardRat

03-01-2010, 04:52 PM

And I have ocean front property in Atlanta to sell as well

Should've never bought it yourself to begin with, dummy.

DraftBoy

03-01-2010, 05:00 PM

Should've never bought it yourself to begin with, dummy.

You know how much a home in Atlanta is worth? **** the ocean, I dont need it.

SaviorEdwards

03-01-2010, 05:53 PM

I haven't watched any coverage, why was McCluster a disappointment?

X-Era

03-01-2010, 06:25 PM

Surpises:
Terrence Cody
Bruce Campbell
CJ Spiller
Linval Joseph
Dexter Davis
Ben Tate
Toby Gerhart
Mike Williams
David Gettis
Trent Williams
Daryl Washington

Disappointments:
Riar Geer
Anthony McCoy
LaGarrette Blount
Stafon Johnson

psubills62

03-01-2010, 07:53 PM

I haven't watched any coverage, why was McCluster a disappointment?

Running a 4.58 40 when you're only 5'9" and 172 pounds is not a good thing at all.

Ingtar33

03-01-2010, 08:42 PM

James Starks was a pleasant surprise, i didn't expect him to drop a 4.5

Golden Tate's 4.4 was pretty impressive too (i didn't think he was that fast)

k-oneputt

03-01-2010, 09:05 PM

Running a 4.58 40 when you're only 5'9" and 172 pounds is not a good thing at all.

Wasn't a good time but the guys a baller who can do many things and very good in the open field.
Gerhert ran well but runs a little to upright and won't make anyone miss in space. I was surprised by Starks time.