Ingtar33's 2010 - NFL Mock Draft v0.5 -Post Combine Edition

[Ingtar33]

1) St. Louis Rams - Sam Bradford
Team Needs
T1 - WR,QB
T2 - TE,ILB,CB,DE
T3 - RB,RG,DT,OLB
-Biggest Problem: passrush

2) Oakland Raiders - Ndamukong Suh (traded 1st, 2nd, plus a 2nd in 2011)
Team Needs
T1 - QB,NT,WR
T2 - LT,RG,LB
T3 - CB,S
-Biggest Problem: Run Defense

3) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Gerald McCoy
Team Needs
T1 - DT,DE,OLB
T2 - QB,WR,SS,CB
T3 - RB,OT,G,DT,FS
-Biggest Problem: run defense

4) Washington Redskins - Russell Okung
Team Needs
T1 - LT,C
T2 - RT,QB,WR,SS,RB
T3 - SLB,OG
-Biggest Problem: Offensive line

5) Kansas City Chiefs - Brian Bulaga
Team Needs
T1 - OT,OG,C,NT
T2 - RB,OLB,WR,TE,QB
T3 - DE,ILB,CB
-Biggest Problem: Offensive Line

6) Seattle Seahawks - Anthony Davis
Team Needs
T1 - LT,QB
T2 - RB,S,DT,DE,WR
T3 - OG
-Biggest Problem: Offense

7) Cleveland Browns - Dez Bryant
Team Needs
T1 - WR,RT
T2 - TE,RB,DE,ILB,FS
T3 - CB,NT,QB,OLB
-Biggest Problem: WR/Defense

8) Detroit Lions - Eric Berry
Team Needs
T1 - FS,CB,DE,DT
T2 - RB,G,WR,TE
T3 - OT,OLB,ILB
-Biggest Problem: defense


9) Buffalo Bills - Trent Williams
Team Needs
T1 - QB,LT,NT
T2 - DE,ILB,WR,RT
T3 - RB,OLB,OG
-Biggest Problem: Offensive Tackles

10) Jacksonville Jaguars - Derrick Morgan
Team Needs
T1 - S,DE,OG
T2 - WR,CB,DT,C
T3 - TE,OLB,ILB,OT
-Biggest Problem: O-line/passrush

11) Denver Broncos - Dan Williams
Team Needs
T1 - DE,NT
T2 - OG,C
T3 - WR,TE,ILB,CB,RB
-Biggest Problem: Run Defense

12) Miami Dolphins - Rolando McClain
Team Needs
T1 - NT,WR,ILB
T2 - S,OLB
T3 -
-Biggest Problem: Wide Reciever/AGE on defense

13) San Francisco 49ers - Bruce Campbell
Team Needs
T1 - OLB,RT
T2 - LT,S,CB,NT
T3 - DE,OG,QB
-Biggest Problem: Passrush

14) Seattle Seahawks - Jimmy Clausen
Team Needs
T1 - QB
T2 - RB,S,DT,DE,WR
T3 - OG
-Biggest Problem: Offense

15) New York Giants - Joe Hayden
Team Needs
T1 - DT,CB,FS
T2 - MLB,RB,RT,LG
T3 - LT,C
-Biggest Problem: AGE on defense

16) Tennessee Titans - Jerry Hughes
Team Needs
T1 - DE,CB
T2 - WR,DT,OLB
T3 - QB,C,OG
-Biggest Problem: Passrush

17) San Francisco 49ers - Everson Griffin
Team Needs
T1 - OLB
T2 - LT,S,CB,NT
T3 - DE,OG,QB
-Biggest Problem: Passrush

18) Pittsburgh Steelers - Jered Veldheer
Team Needs
T1 - LT,DT,CB
T2 - FS,LG,C
T3 - ILB
-Biggest Problem: Secondary

19) Atlanta Falcons - Brandon Graham
Team Needs
T1 - CB,DE
T2 - SS,DT,OLB,WR
T3 - OLB,ILB,OT
-Biggest Problem: Pass Defense

20) Houston Texans - Terence Cody
Team Needs
T1 - NT,S
T2 - OLB,LG,CB
T3 - RB
-Biggest Problem: Nosetackle

21) Cincinnati Bengals - Jermaine Gresham
Team Needs
T1 -
T2 - WR,TE,OT,DT
T3 - S,SLB
-Biggest Problem: Lack of Playmakers

22) New England Patriots - Sean Weatherspoon
Team Needs
T1 - DE,OLB
T2 - ILB,OG,TE, DT
T3 - WR
-Biggest Problem: Front 7

23) Green Bay Packers - Charles Brown
Team Needs
T1 - LT
T2 - RB,S
T3 - OLB
-Biggest Problem: LT/AGE

24) Philadelphia Eagles - Mike Iupati
Team Needs
T1 - RG,DE
T2 - OLB,FS,RB
T3 -
-Biggest Problem: Defensive End

25) Baltimore Ravens - Golden Tate
Team Needs
T1 - WR
T2 - CB
T3 - DE,OLB,TE
-Biggest Problem: Wide Receiver

26) Arizona Cardinals - Jason Fox
Team Needs
T1 - LT
T2 - ILB, DE
T3 - OLB,CB,TE
-Biggest Problem: Passrush

27) Dallas Cowboys - Earl Thomas
Team Needs
T1 - LT
T2 - OG,FS
T3 - ILB,CB
-Biggest Problem: AGE

28) San Diego Chargers - CJ Spiller
Team Needs
T1 - RG,NT,RB
T2 - RT,LG
T3 - DE,OLB
-Biggest Problem: Runblocking

29) New York Jets - Jacoby Ford
Team Needs
T1 -
T2 - WR,DE,OLB
T3 - OG
-Biggest Problem: Passrush

30) Minnesota Vikings - Taylor Mays
Team Needs
T1 -
T2 - LT,RG,QB,S
T3 - CB
-Biggest Problem: Safety (QB if Favre Retires)

31) Indianapolis Colts - Brian Price
Team Needs
T1 - DT
T2 - OT,RG
T3 -
-Biggest Problem: O-line

32) New Orleans Saints - Jason Pierre-Paul
Team Needs
T1 -
T2 - DT,DE,OLB
T3 - C
-Biggest Problem: passrush could be improved

33)St.L - Arrelious Benn, WR
34)Det - Carlos Dunlap, DE
35)TB - Sergio Kindle, OLB
36)KC - Maurkice Pouncey, C
37)Was - Tony Pike, QB
38)Cle - Warren, Donovan, CB
39)Det - Jared, Odrick, DT
40)Sea - Jahvid Best, RB
41)Buf - Dan LeFevour, QB

[jdbillsfan]

That would be a painful draft as a Bills fan.

I don't like Williams or LeFevour.

[SABURZFAN]

i'd be happy with the way that shook down. the Titans, Steelers, and Cardinals picks are surprising compared to a lot of peoples opinions around here.

[psubills62]

Wow, Ingtar...you really think Spiller will drop that far?

I'd be OK with that draft, not too thrilled. Williams showed quite a bit of athleticism during the combine. Lefevour might not have the arm strength to play in Buffalo, though generally I like him.

[Ingtar33]

That would be a painful draft as a Bills fan.

I don't like Williams or LeFevour.


Fair enough. I've been watching Williams and i thought he looked good enough to play LT. At that pick with the 3 best tackles off the board, it was a coin flip between Williams and Campbell; i just don't like how Campbell looks on the football field. Williams looks good on the field; I also considered Dan Williams and nearly went that way.. but i thought, if the Bills don't get a LT we might as well chalk up another 6 win season.

As for LeFavour... He's a solid player. He'd fit the type of offense Galley is trying to install, the trick is i don't know how pro ready he is. He isn't as accurate as you'd like.


i'd be happy with the way that shook down. the Titans, Steelers, and Cardinals picks are surprising compared to a lot of peoples opinions around here.

I'll be honest... I need to see more of those players... But i think they're all valid 1st rounders.. projects... but with those teams needing tackles i thought those were the best of the rest. As to the Titans... I think that kid is a solid passrusher. he'll be fine in Tenn.


Wow, Ingtar...you really think Spiller will drop that far?

I'd be OK with that draft, not too thrilled. Williams showed quite a bit of athleticism during the combine. Lefevour might not have the arm strength to play in Buffalo, though generally I like him.

who will take him? Who needs a RB? the teams above them all had the player they wanted fall to them, or had no need for RB.

[psubills62]

who will take him? Who needs a RB? the teams above them all had the player they wanted fall to them, or had no need for RB.

1. Texans - I think they're making RB a higher priority than T3.
2. Steelers - probably a longshot after taking Mendenhall just a couple of years ago. However, Veldheer seems to be a big reach there, and Spiller would really complement Mendenhall.

Spiller just seems to be too good of a prospect to fall that far. Reminds me of Knowshon Moreno last year - Denver signed about 20 RB's in the offseason, then drafted Moreno with their first pick. It wasn't that pressing of a need, but he was decent value there.

[JCBills]

Oh no, if that's how it were unfolding, just draft Hughes or Graham because we simply don't have anyone who can play the strong side.

[Ingtar33]

1. Texans - I think they're making RB a higher priority than T3.
2. Steelers - probably a longshot after taking Mendenhall just a couple of years ago. However, Veldheer seems to be a big reach there, and Spiller would really complement Mendenhall.

Spiller just seems to be too good of a prospect to fall that far. Reminds me of Knowshon Moreno last year - Denver signed about 20 RB's in the offseason, then drafted Moreno with their first pick. It wasn't that pressing of a need, but he was decent value there.

1) Texans need a NT far more then a RB.

2) Steelers don't need a RB at all. they need OT, badly. And while you say Veldeer is a stretch, i don't think so. I'll need to see a little more of him. but i think it's better then 70% chance he'd gone in round 1.

[Night Train]

Fair enough. I've been watching Williams and i thought he looked good enough to play LT.

Agreed.

Too many sites had him placed at RT and people just went along with it. He showed the good feet at the combine and I might even like him better than Bulaga, since he seems quicker and has longer arms. Definetly better than Davis of Rutgers.

Plus the key component is his game film looks very good. A finisher who really puts guys away. Started 3 years at RT and took over at LT as a senior when Phil Loadholt was drafted by the Vikings. Looked like he started to put it together in the later part of the season.

I'd be very pleased with him.

[TigerJ]

Knowing you have more football background than anyone here, including time spent as an actual NFL scout, I find your opinion of Trent Williams reassuring, Ingtar. I know he has the measurables, but a number of pundits have raised questions about him. I know you look at game tape with a knowledgeable eye, rather than relying on second hand information.

[Ed]

If things unfolded this way, I can't say I'd be a big fan. I've pretty much jumped off the McClain bangwagon at this point and with Bulaga and Bryant off the board, the #9 spot becomes a lot less appealing to me. I don't dislike Trent Williams, but if he's the best we can do, my first choice would be to try and trade down and get another 2nd or 3rd rounder.

[DraftBoy]

Texans need a NT far more then a RB.

2) Steelers don't need a RB at all. they need OT, badly. And while you say Veldeer is a stretch, i don't think so. I'll need to see a little more of him. but i think it's better then 70% chance he'd gone in round 1.

Does his height of 6'8, with 33" arms bother you?

[Ingtar33]

Does his height of 6'8, with 33" arms bother you?

no. what matters to me is how good he gets those hands on the other player... how well he keeps his feet, where his pads are, and what type of control he keeps.

He looks good blocking at tackle. 70% chance he's gone in round one. i'd like to see more tape to confirm but he looks like a player from what i've seen.

[Raptor]

Not a fan of that draft

I dont like spending a top 10 pick on a RT and that is where I think Williams will land because he was by far better on the right side in college than he was on the left. Grant it I think he can be an all pro RT but I just never see him panning out on the left side. I'd much rather take Clausen or D.Williams if thats who's on the board

If we dont pick a QB in round one I dont even want to consider one until round 5. Reason being, The odds and history in this league says I have about as much chance of winning the lotto next week as we do of finding a franchise QB outside of the first. I think that it is an utter waste and might actually hurt this franchise more if we use anything higher than a 5th(if we chose not to use a first on a QB) on a QB. The last thing I want to do is give this FO and coaching staff a reason to pass on a franchise QB in the first next year, if we happen to really suck, because they invested a semi high draft pick, 2nd or 3rd, on one this year. To me its either you pick one in the first or you take a flier on one late.

[tampabay25690]

Not to bad I just dont see the Bills passing on Clausen if he is there.
I huess we wait and see.

[Ground Chuck]

The Raider trade is very unrealistic.

[Ingtar33]

The Raider trade is very unrealistic.

yeah... they screwed the lions on it... and yeah... somehow i doubt Al Davis trades up for a DT, no matter how badly they need it.

but with the Lions desperate to trade down, i figured it was a buyer's market... and of all the possible teams who could "afford" to trade up, Oakland was the only one who really needed a DT horribly badly.

The problem the Lions will have this spring, is if the Rams draft Bradford they'll find very little "reasonable" interest in the number 2 pick. As good as Suh is, few teams will pay what needs to be paid to move up to number 2, not when their player will fall to them otherwise.

[DraftBoy]

Your 6th pick...OT Anthony Davis why so high on him?

[Ingtar33]

Your 6th pick...OT Anthony Davis why so high on him?

I'm not that high on him. but OT is a monstrous need for 5 teams in the top 10. He'll go that high because he's probably the 4th or 3rd best LT.

[Mahdi]

Trent Williams has become an option because of the athleticism and speed he showed at the combine, coupled with his pre-2009 performances.

I think he showed he could play the LT spot.


I really don't think Anthony Davis goes that high. He had a horrible combine. Looked slow and uncoordinated in drills and had only 21 reps on the bench which tells me this guy doesn't like the weight room too much.

All the hype about OTs dominating the top 10 is just a smoke screen IMO. I really think the only 1 that will go in the top 10 is Okung with Campbelll also having a shot simply due to his workout.

[DraftBoy]

I'm not that high on him. but OT is a monstrous need for 5 teams in the top 10. He'll go that high because he's probably the 4th or 3rd best LT.

Ok last question then;

Does the fact that Trent Williams played the majority of his college career out of a 2 pt stance bother you? That gave him an immediate advantage over hand in the ground pass rushers when he faces them.

[Mahdi]

Not a fan of that draft

I dont like spending a top 10 pick on a RT and that is where I think Williams will land because he was by far better on the right side in college than he was on the left. Grant it I think he can be an all pro RT but I just never see him panning out on the left side. I'd much rather take Clausen or D.Williams if thats who's on the board

If we dont pick a QB in round one I dont even want to consider one until round 5. Reason being, The odds and history in this league says I have about as much chance of winning the lotto next week as we do of finding a franchise QB outside of the first. I think that it is an utter waste and might actually hurt this franchise more if we use anything higher than a 5th(if we chose not to use a first on a QB) on a QB. The last thing I want to do is give this FO and coaching staff a reason to pass on a franchise QB in the first next year, if we happen to really suck, because they invested a semi high draft pick, 2nd or 3rd, on one this year. To me its either you pick one in the first or you take a flier on one late.
I think every single person at or watching the combine was stunned by Trent William's athleticism. He was impressive in all the drills and all the timed and measured workouts.

The concerns about not being able to play LT due to physical limitations have been buried. I think Williams can absolutely play LT and to me he vaulted himself into the #2 OT position behind Okung.

After that there is a tie between Bulaga and Campbell. I think they are tied because some teams will value Bulaga's technical ability and toughness and some teams will value Campbell's high ceiling and athletic ability.

Williams and Okung separate themselves from those 2 because they have technical ability and athleticism.

[DraftBoy]

Williams technical ability isn't even in the same realms as Bulaga, who is the most technical OT in this draft.

I have it;
Okung
Bulaga
Williams
Campbell
Davis

[Ingtar33]

Ok last question then;

Does the fact that Trent Williams played the majority of his college career out of a 2 pt stance bother you? That gave him an immediate advantage over hand in the ground pass rushers when he faces them.


Ah... it bugs me a little, but the guy can run block when he's asked too, and i think most of his struggles at Left Tackle last year were on account of 2 things. 1) a QB who didn't know when to get rid of the football, or move in the pocket. 2) his instincts aren't there for the LT spot yet... toward the end of the year they were getting there... but he rarely was looking in the right direction on his blown blocks... if you watched him at RT he never had that problem. He looked much more comfortable as the year went on.

But no. Most of his time in a 2p stance doesn't bug me. most of the tackles other then Bulaga played out of one; hell Okung was in an offense that had him in a 2point stance just about as much as Williams was.

[Mahdi]

Williams technical ability isn't even in the same realms as Bulaga, who is the most technical OT in this draft.

I have it;
Okung
Bulaga
Williams
Campbell
Davis
I didn't say Williams technical ability is the same as Bulaga's. Bulaga is superior in that aspect.

But as an overall prospect I think TW has more techncial ability than Campbell and more athleticism and measurables than Bulaga.


At this point I think I would put Charles Brown ahead of Davis... wouldn't you?

[DraftBoy]

Ah... it bugs me a little, but the guy can run block when he's asked too, and i think most of his struggles at Left Tackle last year were on account of 2 things. 1) a QB who didn't know when to get rid of the football, or move in the pocket. 2) his instincts aren't there for the LT spot yet... toward the end of the year they were getting there... but he rarely was looking in the right direction on his blown blocks... if you watched him at RT he never had that problem. He looked much more comfortable as the year went on.

But no. Most of his time in a 2p stance doesn't bug me. most of the tackles other then Bulaga played out of one; hell Okung was in an offense that had him in a 2point stance just about as much as Williams was.

So based on point 2 do you feel as though he should start off as a RT in the NFL to adapt to the speed and 3 pt stance type systems and eventually move to the left side, or do you think he is good enough to just play straight away from the left side?

[Raptor]

I dont give a crap what he did at the combine, throw on the tape or go to any OU message board and you will see why this guy cant be a LT. All the combine did was show he is a little better athlete than scouts thought it did nothing to erase the games he played at LT

Your making the mistake a lot of people do and putting to much weight on the combine. If it meant anything C.Long and V.Gholston should be battling it out for DPOY award this year


I think every single person at or watching the combine was stunned by Trent William's athleticism. He was impressive in all the drills and all the timed and measured workouts.

The concerns about not being able to play LT due to physical limitations have been buried. I think Williams can absolutely play LT and to me he vaulted himself into the #2 OT position behind Okung.

After that there is a tie between Bulaga and Campbell. I think they are tied because some teams will value Bulaga's technical ability and toughness and some teams will value Campbell's high ceiling and athletic ability.

Williams and Okung separate themselves from those 2 because they have technical ability and athleticism.

[DraftBoy]

I dont give a crap what he did at the combine, throw on the tape or go to any OU message board and you will see why this guy cant be a LT. All the combine did was show he is a little better athlete than scouts thought it did nothing to erase the games he played at LT

Your making the mistake a lot of people do and putting to much weight on the combine. If it meant anything C.Long and V.Gholston should be battling it out for DPOY award this year


Which game(s) specifically are you referring to?

[Mahdi]

I dont give a crap what he did at the combine, throw on the tape or go to any OU message board and you will see why this guy cant be a LT. All the combine did was show he is a little better athlete than scouts thought it did nothing to erase the games he played at LT

Your making the mistake a lot of people do and putting to much weight on the combine. If it meant anything C.Long and V.Gholston should be battling it out for DPOY award this year
Or you can also make a mistake by putting too much stock into a bad year for the offense in general.

Trent Williams was considered a stud OT in 2008.

[DraftBoy]

Or you can also make a mistake by putting too much stock into a bad year for the offense in general.

Trent Williams was considered a stud OT in 2008.

but only as a RT. He never played LT at Oklahoma on any kind of a consistent basis till 2009.

He was a completely unproven LT coming into this season collegiately.

[Ingtar33]

So based on point 2 do you feel as though he should start off as a RT in the NFL to adapt to the speed and 3 pt stance type systems and eventually move to the left side, or do you think he is good enough to just play straight away from the left side?


no. i think if we take him he'd be, immediately an upgrade at LT. the only way to get his instincts right for it would be time in the position.

so i'd throw him into the fire. he's got the athleticism to make it work. i don't think we really need to know more then that at this point.


I dont give a crap what he did at the combine, throw on the tape or go to any OU message board and you will see why this guy cant be a LT. All the combine did was show he is a little better athlete than scouts thought it did nothing to erase the games he played at LT

Your making the mistake a lot of people do and putting to much weight on the combine. If it meant anything C.Long and V.Gholston should be battling it out for DPOY award this year

my opinion of Williams has nothing to do with the combine.

[Raptor]

Which game(s) specifically are you referring to?

Good examples of this are in both the Miami and Nebraska games. OU fans were killing him after the Nebraska game because he has the habit of committing stupid penalties both durning and new this year after the plays. Plus he allowed a lot of pressure in that game

In the Miami game watch how many times he has trouble being crossed up with double moves wit more athletic DE's. He over compensates all the time to the outside because he knows speed rushers can beat him out there so the Miami DE compensate by combo back into the inside he he had trouble handling it.

[Raptor]

Or you can also make a mistake by putting too much stock into a bad year for the offense in general.

Trent Williams was considered a stud OT in 2008.

Yea on the right side. P.Loadholt who played the left side in college and kept Williams on the right side is now a RT only in the NFL.

I like Williams I just dont like him as a LT. As a RT I think he can be very good and and a great example of this is the championship game against Florida a year ago where he was the only Sooner OL that didnt get beat like a rented mule, he played RT in that game

[Raptor]

no. i think if we take him he'd be, immediately an upgrade at LT. the only way to get his instincts right for it would be time in the position.

so i'd throw him into the fire. he's got the athleticism to make it work. i don't think we really need to know more then that at this point.



my opinion of Williams has nothing to do with the combine.

I wasnt commenting on your review of him, only on Mahdi post

[Philagape]

Doesn't Williams have concerns over his work ethic?
That's a dealbreaker for me. Laziness is a common trait of NFL busts. It cancels out any measurables or athleticism or whatever he did in college.
No thanks.

[Ground Chuck]

no. i think if we take him he'd be, immediately an upgrade at LT. .

One of those great big garbage cans would be an upgrade at LT.

[Ingtar33]

Doesn't Williams have concerns over his work ethic?
That's a dealbreaker for me. Laziness is a common trait of NFL busts. It cancels out any measurables or athleticism or whatever he did in college.
No thanks.


not that i ever heard. i have heard that about Davis and Campbell.

[Ingtar33]

ok. i'll make a final mock draft sometime next week. the problem is i really like this one. so i am not sure how different it will look. maybe a little thanks to FA.

[psubills62]

ok. i'll make a final mock draft sometime next week. the problem is i really like this one. so i am not sure how different it will look. maybe a little thanks to FA.

Either way, I appreciate you posting this mock. I've been referencing it quite a bit, as the "GM" of the 49ers in DB's mock draft game.

[k-oneputt]

Jacoby Ford ??? Really ?

He can be had in the same spot in rd.2, probably rd. 3.

Lefevour at #41 ?

I know you guys like to be different to one up each other but c'mon.

[Ingtar33]

Jacoby Ford ??? Really ?

He can be had in the same spot in rd.2, probably rd. 3.

Lefevour at #41 ?

I know you guys like to be different to one up each other but c'mon.

Ford is high yes... probably too high... but then guys who run a 4.3 always go a round or two higher then they should.

Lefavour probably will be the 3rd QB off the board.