Pretty early but...

[HHURRICANE]

This team is going to be dreadful in 2010.

Just a recap so far:

1) At WR we have Lee Evans and nobody, absolutely nobody. Does it really matter who the QB is? Seriously?

2) Our o-line is guaranteed to bring back some losers from last year while plugging in more rookies. I didn't think the o-line could get worse but all indications are that it will.

3) Kelsay and Schobel have sucked for 3 years and we are going to bring them back again. Enough said.

4) Kyle Willaims is going to become the next Langston Walker. A decent player put in a position to fail.

So the Bills are bringing back a losing team with less talent than last year and we are expecting the draft to get us what?

[Pinkerton Security]

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Sadly, at this point it is really looking that way. Even Gailey has basically said we're in full on rebuilding mode, so when your coach stresses that, its gonna be a long year. I just hope we start adding key pieces to the few remaining pieces worth holding on to.

[HHURRICANE]

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Sadly, at this point it is really looking that way. Even Gailey has basically said we're in full on rebuilding mode, so when your coach stresses that, its gonna be a long year. I just hope we start adding key pieces to the few remaining pieces worth holding on to.

There was no reason fo this. None.

This mess started last year. We had a decent pass blocking o-line. We weren't in any danger of being over the salary cap.

We could have won 10 games by keeping Dockery, Walker, and Peters. The o-line led to a mess on a offense. Edwards didn't have to be great, just efficient. This is a cheap owner and that's the bottom line.

[Dr. Lecter]

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There was no reason fo this. None.

This mess started last year. We had a decent pass blocking o-line. We weren't in any danger of being over the salary cap.

We could have won 10 games by keeping Dockery, Walker, and Peters. The o-line led to a mess on a offense. Edwards didn't have to be great, just efficient. This is a cheap owner and that's the bottom line.

10 games?

Are you nuts?

There was no way this team was winning ten games. Winning 6 was luck and overacheivement.

And, while the replacement for Peters was a lesser player for sure, Dockery was terrible. You are a smart guy, but your love affair for Dockery is odd. He was terrible.

[jdbillsfan]

Re: Pretty early but...

This team is going to be dreadful in 2010.

Just a recap so far:

1) At WR we have Lee Evans and nobody, absolutely nobody. Does it really matter who the QB is? Seriously?

2) Our o-line is guaranteed to bring back some losers from last year while plugging in more rookies. I didn't think the o-line could get worse but all indications are that it will.

3) Kelsay and Schobel have sucked for 3 years and we are going to bring them back again. Enough said.

4) Kyle Willaims is going to become the next Langston Walker. A decent player put in a position to fail.

So the Bills are bringing back a losing team with less talent than last year and we are expecting the draft to get us what?

They are definitely going to be dreadful. It doesn't even seem like they care. There are no dynasty teams anymore, so a team that actually makes an effort should be able to make a run at the playoffs. Buffalo is going backwards.

The talent is so bad, that they have to make moves to be competitive and they aren't. They keep bringing back the same old losers.

It's extremely frustrating.

[Griz78]

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I think they are tanking to get Jake Locker

[jdbillsfan]

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I think they are tanking because they don't know how to run a franchise.

[Ebenezer]

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10 games?

Are you nuts?

There was no way this team was winning ten games. Winning 6 was luck and overacheivement.

And, while the replacement for Peters was a lesser player for sure, Dockery was terrible. You are a smart guy, but your love affair for Dockery is odd. He was terrible.

6 wins...they beat an Indi team that didn't care in the snow...they beat a terrible TB team that was more disorganized than anything in week 2...the Jets gave them a game...KC? ugh. They could have been 3-13 easily and even with Peters & Co. they were not going to win 10...8 at best.

HH, sorry man. Wood, Levitre and Hentgartener played very well last year. Nobody could have foreseen the injury/retirement of Butler. There is a very good nucleus there. They would have been better with Peters but from everything we have seen he didn't want to be here and the Bills didn't want to renogitiate his contract for a second time. I don't blame them on that - they should have been able to get more for him is what disappointed me.

As far as some of your other points:

1. Schobel has not sucked. He had a terrible season when he was hurt but it is hard to do anything when you have no LBs behind you.

2. WR has been addressed - nobody knew Hardy would get hurt.

3. Kyle Williams at his position is head and shoulders about LW at his.

4. As far as not filling the voids...at some point chickens come home to roost. The team has nobody to blame for its woes than RW. He chased away Butler and Smith. He chased away Wade. He yanked power back from TD. He had the right to do all those things but it was the way he did all that. People talk. There can be two guys out there trying to get dates. One can fail because he is awkward and unsure of himself. The other can fail because when he does get a girl he treats her like crap and then she talks to her friends....RW lives in the latter.

[DraftBoy]

Re: Pretty early but...

This team is going to be dreadful in 2010.

Just a recap so far:

1) At WR we have Lee Evans and nobody, absolutely nobody. Does it really matter who the QB is? Seriously?

2) Our o-line is guaranteed to bring back some losers from last year while plugging in more rookies. I didn't think the o-line could get worse but all indications are that it will.

3) Kelsay and Schobel have sucked for 3 years and we are going to bring them back again. Enough said.

4) Kyle Willaims is going to become the next Langston Walker. A decent player put in a position to fail.

So the Bills are bringing back a losing team with less talent than last year and we are expecting the draft to get us what?

1. We have this thing called a draft still to come.
2. The point is beyond idiotic
3. I dont disagree but with the position switch we don't know how they'll play
4. This point just doesn't make sense

[ChanGailey]

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I'm so sick of people acting like the draft is this secret weapon we have that no other teams use. Hello? Everybody else drafts, too!

Not only that, but the 3 teams in our division are way better at it that we are! Even Nix last year picked Maybin over Orakpo. Instead of a strength, we have a weakness. Why will 2010 be different?

We are being out classed and out smarted by almost every team in the league! We have the least talent, yet do the least to acquire some!

At least we'll win the thrift award. Taking clearance rack garbage players nobody else wants.

Stop saying the draft is going to bridge any gap between us and the rest of the division. The Pats will get the next Jerrod Mayo and we'll get the next McFumblin.

The other 3 teams in the divison are just flat out superior to us. In every stage of prpo football. Better owners, GMs, stadiums, coaches and players.

[SABURZFAN]

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I think they are tanking because they don't know how to run a franchise.

i am 100% confident that we could have ran polls in here for our draft picks and have done a better job than they did.

[DraftBoy]

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I'm so sick of people acting like the draft is this secret weapon we have that no other teams use. Hello? Everybody else drafts, too!

Not only that, but the 3 teams in our division are way better at it that we are! Even Nix last year picked Maybin over Orakpo. Instead of a strength, we have a weakness. Why will 2010 be different?

We are being out classed and out smarted by almost every team in the league! We have the least talent, yet do the least to acquire some!

At least we'll win the thrift award. Taking clearance rack garbage players nobody else wants.

Stop saying the draft is going to bridge any gap between us and the rest of the division. The Pats will get the next Jerrod Mayo and we'll get the next McFumblin.

The other 3 teams in the divison are just flat out superior to us. In every stage of prpo football. Better owners, GMs, stadiums, coaches and players.

How do you know the bolded part?

[madness]

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Nix didn't pick anybody in last year's draft and had very little input, if any.

[Mathja]

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This team is going to be dreadful in 2010.

Just a recap so far:

1) At WR we have Lee Evans and nobody, absolutely nobody. Does it really matter who the QB is? Seriously?

2) Our o-line is guaranteed to bring back some losers from last year while plugging in more rookies. I didn't think the o-line could get worse but all indications are that it will.

3) Kelsay and Schobel have sucked for 3 years and we are going to bring them back again. Enough said.

4) Kyle Willaims is going to become the next Langston Walker. A decent player put in a position to fail.

So the Bills are bringing back a losing team with less talent than last year and we are expecting the draft to get us what?

1. Lee Evans is an above-average receiver. the offseason isn't over. Hardy could develop -- he was a great college player with a lot of physical gifts. Other teams are succesful with worse #1 receivers than Evans...bottom line is the passing game will improve when QB play improves -- we're not sure yet who that will be.

2. This is the point i disagree with the most. Why would it get worse? Levitre has a season under his belt. Wood, if healthy, has most of a season under his belt. They were both highly-regarded draft choices that showed a lot of promise. If anything they will improve. Hangartner isn't going to get worse. Butler didn't play last year anyway. The tackle position was in total shambles last year -- just about any move, whether it's through the draft, through free agency or through trade would seemingly improve the tackle situation. It's certainly not an ideal situation, but it's just as easy to conclude that the line will improve as it is to say it will get worse.
Let's say they draft Bulaga at #9 and he plays well. That's 3 highly productive early draft picks on the line -- that would be a huge step in the right direction.
The only argument that the line will be worse than it was at the end of last season is if you believe incognito was much better than the player that will replace him (which might be wood).

3. I don't think Schoebel is definitely coming back. And, nobody knows for sure what Kelsays role will be. But if the logic is that the Bills will suck because they brought these guys back -- why doesn't the same logic dictate that the Bills will be great because they cut Ryan Denney?

4. I'm not sure how Kyle Williams will be in the new defense. I know coming into last year, i didn't expect him to be the defensive MVP of the team. And, he was (along with Byrd). Most believe he's just a productive football player and will find a way to contribute no matter where he is. It's true, that a player can be out of place and less productive because of it. The comparison to Langston Walker is off because Walker didn't even get a chance to struggle after the position change -- he just got cut. Let's see how KWill does, wherever they put him.

I don't think there was a whole lot that could have been done in free agency. many of the younger, high-impact free agency lost their unrestricted status. Why throw a lot of money at free agents that are past their prime. They'll take up cap space next year (if there is a next year). I think they could improve through trades and we'll need some time to see if that pans out. Obviously, the draft is key. and we're 45 days away from that (roughly).

[Mathja]

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i am 100% confident that we could have ran polls in here for our draft picks and have done a better job than they did.

i agree with this -- 100%. The one good thing is that someone else is making the final decision now -- assuming Ralph isn't making the call on every draft pick.

But yes -- last year, orakpo would have won a poll. Ngata would have won a poll over whitner. i'm sure there are plenty of other examples.