Nix's agenda against Terrell Owens

[patmoran2006]

I dont know of any.. But I know I read somewhere that Owens and Nix have a history of some sorts, and it's not good.

Does anyone know more about any situation they may want to share?

Didn't Nix coach him or have something to do with him in college or something along those lines?

I'd like to know what it is. Because I'm baffled at why we woudn't even consider bringing him back.

And I don't want to hear about this youth movement. We just signed a 12 year journeyman right tackle.

Owens was decent on the field and I'm sure would've been better with better QB and OL play.. and you can't discount that like him or not, he's relevent and it showed in the national media, and in the media coverage.

But again, not to get off topic.. Anyone know the history between the two?

[TrEd FTW]

Nix coached and (I believe) recruited Owens at Chattanooga.

[Slim]

Nix was a coach at Tennessee-Chattanooga during Owens Freshman year in College i beleive.

[ddaryl]

Because I'm baffled at why we woudn't even consider bringing him back.




How the hell could anyone be baffled. The guy clearly has no heart at all, and demonstrated that pretty well last year.

[madness]

Nix recruited T.O. when he was coaching at University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. They get along still.

[ChristopherWalken]

Its because Owens hit on Nix in the shower. I'm looking for a fake link now to fortify this insane rumor.

[patmoran2006]

Someone said that their history wasn't good.
Did they have a problem with each other or something when T.O. was in college?

[patmoran2006]

How the hell could anyone be baffled. The guy clearly has no heart at all, and demonstrated that pretty well last year.

75% of T.O. is better than anything not named Lee Evans on this roster or what's left in FA if Mason resigns with Baltimore.

[Demon]

I have no proof, but on Bills Brothers on 107.3 in Rochester, either Sal (from D@C), Catolina (from WHTK news) or Scott Pitoniak mentioned they got into it while at college. It was on a show way back when Nix was announced GM, so like 1st or 2nd Thursday in Jan, but who ever was speaking at the time, said Nix as GM pretty much ensures Owens will not return.

[EDS]

I dont know of any.. But I know I read somewhere that Owens and Nix have a history of some sorts, and it's not good.

Does anyone know more about any situation they may want to share?

Didn't Nix coach him or have something to do with him in college or something along those lines?

I'd like to know what it is. Because I'm baffled at why we woudn't even consider bringing him back.

And I don't want to hear about this youth movement. We just signed a 12 year journeyman right tackle.

Owens was decent on the field and I'm sure would've been better with better QB and OL play.. and you can't discount that like him or not, he's relevent and it showed in the national media, and in the media coverage.

But again, not to get off topic.. Anyone know the history between the two?

Owens will be long retired by the time the Bills are ready to compete.

[Demon]

75% of T.O. is better than anything not named Lee Evans on this roster or what's left in FA if Mason resigns with Baltimore.

Really? Owens is breaking down. We almost saw it last year. What if next year he only plays like 4 games? It's better to give him the money and be stuck with the bench guys? Please. Quit thinking this team needs big names and quit crying because we don't build via free agency. The NFL is a league which it builds through the unknowns, giving them 2nd and 3rd chances and via the draft. Notice all the teams spending mega bucks in the free agent market (last yr Skins, this yr Det and Chi) are all AWFUL teams? There's a reason why the good teams don't panic and spend big dough, because they draft well.

Bills NEED to rebuild the right way and hope for a playoff run in 2-3 years.

[trapezeus]

the answer could be as simple as owens wanting a multi year deal and the bills saying, "no. it'll be money thrown away." by the time the bills rebuild to be playoff ready (assuming the typical 3 year model) owens will be 39 years old.

[madness]

What's the point this year? Put Hardy, SJ, and a rookie to be named later on the field and let's see if there's any real talent there... when we actually call a PA pass.

[patmoran2006]

Really? Owens is breaking down. We almost saw it last year. What if next year he only plays like 4 games? It's better to give him the money and be stuck with the bench guys? Please. Quit thinking this team needs big names and quit crying because we don't build via free agency. The NFL is a league which it builds through the unknowns, giving them 2nd and 3rd chances and via the draft. Notice all the teams spending mega bucks in the free agent market (last yr Skins, this yr Det and Chi) are all AWFUL teams? There's a reason why the good teams don't panic and spend big dough, because they draft well.

Bills NEED to rebuild the right way and hope for a playoff run in 2-3 years.

Says you.

The Bills were 6-10 last year, not 2-14. They were within 8 points of a winning record. And that despite being ravaged with injuries.

Every single year teams come from below the middle of the pack into the playoffs.

We can disagree, and that's fine. .But the Bills aren't automatically not playoff contenders next year.........But if they're going to do nothing in FA, then yeah.

Maybe your sold on the organization's build through the draft exclusively theory, but I'm not.

There are plenty of good teams that sign plenty of free agents and are good teams, and more than just 1-2.

and BTW, building the "right way" constitutes signing a dozen year vet from the Raiders to play right tackle?

That's my point.. Buffalo isn't building anything... They are being cheap.. in 3 years it will be the same thing all over again.

[Goobylal]

TO and Nix had a stormy relationship when they were both at UTC, but have since patched things up. Although I don't doubt that it has some bearing on Nix' (IMHO wrong) decision not to re-sign TO.

As for TO "breaking down," he's not the WR he once was, but without him, the Bills would have been picking 1st overall this year. It's not TO's fault the Bills' QB's couldn't/wouldn't get him (or Lee) the ball, when he was open (which was a lot). Most were hoping that Edwards would put 2008 behind him and pickup where he left-off before getting the concussion, but it never happened. And as a result of TO being gone, the Bills have a huge hole at WR that will need to be fixed by Hardy or Johnson. I'm hopeful, but not holding my breath.

[Ed]

I understand that people don't want Owens because he's older and we seem to be rebuilding as usual, but I would still want him back because he's the best of what's out there. If we are trying to find our qb of the future then we should be working hard to give whoever that player is the best chance to succeed. If we don't give them any weapons in the passing game, how can we fairly judge them. Maybe Hardy and Johnson can step it up, but maybe they can't. Will that be the qb's fault? At least if we have both Evans and Owens on the outside we know we have some skill there. So to me it's not a waste because it at least gives us a better opportunity to accurately evaluate our qb's.

[patmoran2006]

I understand that people don't want Owens because he's older and we seem to be rebuilding as usual, but I would still want him back because he's the best of what's out there. If we are trying to find our qb of the future then we should be working hard to give whoever that player is the best chance to succeed. If we don't give them any weapons in the passing game, how can we fairly judge them. Maybe Hardy and Johnson can step it up, but maybe they can't. Will that be the qb's fault? At least if we have both Evans and Owens on the outside we know we have some skill there. So to me it's not a waste because it at least gives us a better opportunity to accurately evaluate our qb's.

Thank you.

I didn't want Terrell Owens back 10 days ago.. Now, I do.
He's the "best of the rest" and I'm willing to bet not all that much money either.

I wanted Walter and Chambers, and was told we were monitoring Bryant and Mason. All but Mason are gone, and he seems to be gone soon.

T.O. is the best talent of the rest, and IMO did nothing to stain himself here last year..

He supposedly "didnt even try" and had terrible QB and OL play and still put up respectable numbers.

This aint Roscoe Parrish we're talking; the guy can still produce.

[Ed]

Thank you.

I didn't want Terrell Owens back 10 days ago.. Now, I do.
He's the "best of the rest" and I'm willing to bet not all that much money either.

I wanted Walter and Chambers, and was told we were monitoring Bryant and Mason. All but Mason are gone, and he seems to be gone soon.

T.O. is the best talent of the rest, and IMO did nothing to stain himself here last year..

He supposedly "didnt even try" and had terrible QB and OL play and still put up respectable numbers.

This aint Roscoe Parrish we're talking; the guy can still produce.
I just don't know why he would even want to come back. Last year had to be one of the most frustrating of his career. There has to be better opportunities out there for him then Buffalo.

[YardRat]

I've never heard anything regarding a strained relationship between TO and Nix. If I remember correctly, Nix was quite high on TO with any comments he may have had just after being hired as GM.

[DraftBoy]

Lets all keep in mind Year 1 is TO's model citizen year, in Year 2 he gets cranky...

[cookie G]

Someone said that their history wasn't good.
Did they have a problem with each other or something when T.O. was in college?

Buddy was dating Nicollette Sheridan when that MNF opening skit came out.

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He must still carry some jealousy.

[Demon]

Says you.

The Bills were 6-10 last year, not 2-14. They were within 8 points of a winning record. And that despite being ravaged with injuries.

Every single year teams come from below the middle of the pack into the playoffs.

We can disagree, and that's fine. .But the Bills aren't automatically not playoff contenders next year.........But if they're going to do nothing in FA, then yeah.

Maybe your sold on the organization's build through the draft exclusively theory, but I'm not.

There are plenty of good teams that sign plenty of free agents and are good teams, and more than just 1-2.

and BTW, building the "right way" constitutes signing a dozen year vet from the Raiders to play right tackle?

That's my point.. Buffalo isn't building anything... They are being cheap.. in 3 years it will be the same thing all over again.

We won 6 but c'mon. You know this team was awful. It should have never won 6 games.

As for the build through the draft, of course i believe in it. Why shouldn't I? Almost every team out there is build via the draft, the good teams i should say. Unlike the NBA or NHL, you build titles with good solid drafts and by signing "bums" who turn into gold, aka Harrison from Pitt signed as a undrafted FA, Tony Romo in Dallas gave them big help, Welker in NE, ect.

The good teams add depth via FA market. The bad teams try to fix their flaws. It doesn't work. Not in this legaue.

The Bills stink because they can't do anything via the draft in the past 10 years. They've missed too many times. Last year, they had a good draft..... they need to build on it. They still need 2 maybe 3 good draft years before they are good again. It sucks, i know, obviously. But, don't kid yourself to think this team is "close" to being good.

They need a QB.... a #2 WR... a LT....a RG..... on defense NT, DE (im assuming)..... 1 or 2 LB.

As for Cornell Green. If he stays out of trouble, i think it's a good signing. We are in rebuilding mode. We need to sign guys on pretty cheap, but they still have to be decent. Green is actually a decent player. Whats the point paying a bazillion dollars for a OL and their contracts run out when our team of skilled players around them is ready to shine? It's called a stop gap.

I was pro-signing TO last year. I thought our line was better then what they were (i was wrong), i thought our defense was much better (i was wrong) and i thought Trent Edwards was the real deal (i was wrong). Now, with so many holes, it makes NO sense to bring in Owens.

[Thurmal]

Letting Owens (and Reed) go without even offering them ro resign was stupid. Every game Buffalo decided to throw him the ball, he produced. I'm sorry that he showed "lack of heart" during the games where he ran wide open every play and was thrown one or two passes.

[Demon]

It has nothing to do with what he did last year. It has everything to do with the fact the Bills hired two guys Nix and Whaley who live, sleep and breath football and a head coach committed to developing a QB of the future.... they want to re-build once again but the RIGHT way. With "football people" and not by signing big names to sell tickets and win 1-2 extra games to "please" fans. Winning 6 or 7 games is not acceptable anymore. They need to do whatever it takes the next 2-3 years, and rebuild the right way, and become a playoff team in 3 years. Signing Owens right now does NOT help in that plan in any way.

[patmoran2006]

We won 6 but c'mon. You know this team was awful. It should have never won 6 games.

As for the build through the draft, of course i believe in it. Why shouldn't I? Almost every team out there is build via the draft, the good teams i should say. Unlike the NBA or NHL, you build titles with good solid drafts and by signing "bums" who turn into gold, aka Harrison from Pitt signed as a undrafted FA, Tony Romo in Dallas gave them big help, Welker in NE, ect.

The good teams add depth via FA market. The bad teams try to fix their flaws. It doesn't work. Not in this legaue.

The Bills stink because they can't do anything via the draft in the past 10 years. They've missed too many times. Last year, they had a good draft..... they need to build on it. They still need 2 maybe 3 good draft years before they are good again. It sucks, i know, obviously. But, don't kid yourself to think this team is "close" to being good.

They need a QB.... a #2 WR... a LT....a RG..... on defense NT, DE (im assuming)..... 1 or 2 LB.

As for Cornell Green. If he stays out of trouble, i think it's a good signing. We are in rebuilding mode. We need to sign guys on pretty cheap, but they still have to be decent. Green is actually a decent player. Whats the point paying a bazillion dollars for a OL and their contracts run out when our team of skilled players around them is ready to shine? It's called a stop gap.

I was pro-signing TO last year. I thought our line was better then what they were (i was wrong), i thought our defense was much better (i was wrong) and i thought Trent Edwards was the real deal (i was wrong). Now, with so many holes, it makes NO sense to bring in Owens.

Those are all good points.

[Dicknoze69]

We won 6 but c'mon. You know this team was awful. It should have never won 6 games.

As for the build through the draft, of course i believe in it. Why shouldn't I? Almost every team out there is build via the draft, the good teams i should say. Unlike the NBA or NHL, you build titles with good solid drafts and by signing "bums" who turn into gold, aka Harrison from Pitt signed as a undrafted FA, Tony Romo in Dallas gave them big help, Welker in NE, ect.

The good teams add depth via FA market. The bad teams try to fix their flaws. It doesn't work. Not in this legaue.

The Bills stink because they can't do anything via the draft in the past 10 years. They've missed too many times. Last year, they had a good draft..... they need to build on it. They still need 2 maybe 3 good draft years before they are good again. It sucks, i know, obviously. But, don't kid yourself to think this team is "close" to being good.

They need a QB.... a #2 WR... a LT....a RG..... on defense NT, DE (im assuming)..... 1 or 2 LB.

As for Cornell Green. If he stays out of trouble, i think it's a good signing. We are in rebuilding mode. We need to sign guys on pretty cheap, but they still have to be decent. Green is actually a decent player. Whats the point paying a bazillion dollars for a OL and their contracts run out when our team of skilled players around them is ready to shine? It's called a stop gap.

I was pro-signing TO last year. I thought our line was better then what they were (i was wrong), i thought our defense was much better (i was wrong) and i thought Trent Edwards was the real deal (i was wrong). Now, with so many holes, it makes NO sense to bring in Owens.

I think this is exactly what went through Nix's head when he was hired. He knows our team is devoid of talent and I'm thankful that he isn't deluding himself into thinking we're a few players away like Levy/Jauron did.

[Thurmal]

I think this is exactly what went through Nix's head when he was hired. He knows our team is devoid of talent and I'm thankful that he isn't deluding himself into thinking we're a few players away like Levy/Jauron did.

A couple of crappy teams from the previous year make the playoffs EVERY SEASON.

[Beebe's Kid]

My opinion is T.O. causes a divide on this team. I don't even think it is intentional.

He is an intimidating presence to have to deal with if you are a QB. I think that's what we saw, as much as all of his other issues, with Trent.

Just imagine...you are the QB, you are supposed to lead a team. Then, here comes T.O. He is ten times the leader you are. He is charismatic, and a sure-fire HOF'er. Oh, and he also has a history of throwing his QB under the bus, in any multitude of ways.

He becomes visibly upset, and starts to give up when he isn't thrown the ball. This reminds me of something that I wanted to say after sitting in the stands hearing "T.O. was wide open" or "T.O. was single covered" or any of the other bull****.

More than anybody else, the fault for last years offense was on AVP. To have Evans/Owens and Jackson/Lynch, and not be able to score is horrible. Evans/Owens were constantly running straight down the sidelines. CB in man to man with safeties dropping back, when it became apparent we were passing, which wasn't exactly like picking the lottery numbers. They were shut down completely. We didn't have the arm to get them the ball. If TE wanted short passes, we should have let him throw them...instead all he had was TE and RB to check down to, because his WR were 40 yds downfield.

Also, another problem was we tried to force the ball to T.O. way too ****ing much. Too many times they would force some **** throw to him and we would see one of our trademark 3 and outs.

I won't deny he has talent, but there is a reason Cincy went with Bryant.

The reason Nix, and I am sure Gailey, doesn't want T.O. back is because he is not exactly a team player. He tries, on occasion, but it's not his makeup. He is a superstar. He is a poor fit on a team of young guys that you want to congeal, into a unit. He is polarizing...you either love him or hate him, which divides the locker room. That is a guarantee. There were guys that had been friends for years that took different sides on him last year, I would be willing to bet.

It is a tough choice, because he is a very good receiver, and we could really use his skills. I like the idea of a "team," and think that is what to the Dukes of OBD have in mind, and I really don't see T.O. as a "team" guy. It is a tough call, especially since I have always liked T.O.

[YoungEz]

Even if Owens doesn't have heart like some of you say atleast he is still noticeable on the field unlike the 9 million a year disappearing man Lee Evans

[kelly2reed4six]

Says you.

The Bills were 6-10 last year, not 2-14. They were within 8 points of a winning record. And that despite being ravaged with injuries.

Every single year teams come from below the middle of the pack into the playoffs.

We can disagree, and that's fine. .But the Bills aren't automatically not playoff contenders next year.........But if they're going to do nothing in FA, then yeah.

Maybe your sold on the organization's build through the draft exclusively theory, but I'm not.

There are plenty of good teams that sign plenty of free agents and are good teams, and more than just 1-2.

and BTW, building the "right way" constitutes signing a dozen year vet from the Raiders to play right tackle?

That's my point.. Buffalo isn't building anything... They are being cheap.. in 3 years it will be the same thing all over again.



Perfect Example: NY Jets of last season...they signed how many solid FA's and nearly got to the superbowl a year later.

[Demon]

Perfect Example: NY Jets of last season...they signed how many solid FA's and nearly got to the superbowl a year later.

I don't know, how many... tell me?

Bart Scott was the big one obviously and Jimmy Leonard, but i don't think he had that big of a difference. I don't recall any other big free agent signings on defense?

On offense.... they traded for B.Edwards early in the year and drafted Greene and Sanchez. Other then that, i think rest were returnees.

No?

[Goobylal]

I don't know, how many... tell me?

Bart Scott was the big one obviously and Jimmy Leonard, but i don't think he had that big of a difference. I don't recall any other big free agent signings on defense?

On offense.... they traded for B.Edwards early in the year and drafted Greene and Sanchez. Other then that, i think rest were returnees.

No?
A lot of players were added in FA, although not all last year. Thomas Jones, Kris Jenkins, Scott, Leonhard, Edwards (in trade), Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Lito Sheppard, Marques Douglas, and Tony Richardson.

[Griff]

75% of T.O. is better than anything not named Lee Evans on this roster or what's left in FA if Mason resigns with Baltimore.

better at what? dropping passes? giving up?

[patmoran2006]

better at what? dropping passes? giving up?

Better numbers than Lee Evans?

At worst, Owens is better than Hardy and the rest of the receivers on a now very bare WR open market.

And we certainly dont have the luxury of using a draft pick early.

[patmoran2006]

A team has emerged as being interested in Owens.


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