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psubills62
03-15-2010, 03:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11608/bills-might-model-3-4-d-after-sabans

Could look like Alabama's defense. I like the sounds of that, especially the part where we won't allow underneath passes. I'm almost wondering if that tips off who we might be looking to draft (e.g. McClain/Cody)?


How would the Buffalo Bills (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf) look if they ran Nick Saban's Alabama defense?

That might be the style they're after.

Since the Bills announced they were going to switch to a 3-4 defense, coach Chan Gailey and coordinator George Edwards have been careful not to provide any further details.

There are different 3-4 philosophies, and the Bills haven't publicly committed to anything.

"You don't have to play the same type of 3-4," Gailey said last month at the NFL scouting combine. "You can adjust to do what your players do best, and that's one of the reasons I hired George Edwards because he has the knowledge of different types of 3-4s to be able to adjust people and put them in the best spots to do their job."

Bills fans have been hungry for some sort of idea, and it's difficult to believe the Bills don't have an ideal defense in mind as they work through the free-agency period and toward April's draft.

Bills cornerback Drayton Florence (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4504) might have given some insight over the weekend with a series of tweets between him and legendary Bills running back Thurman Thomas.

Florence sent out a public plea to get in touch with Alabama inside linebacker Rolando McClain because (and I've cleaned up the tweet-speak) "he knows the defense we're going to be running, same as Alabama's (http://twitter.com/DraytonFlorence/status/10486094899) defense ... and he made all the calls."

Florence later tweets: "I want to talk to [McClain] about the way they ran their 3-4 in Alabama because we're going to be playing a similar style (http://twitter.com/DraytonFlorence/status/10486295537). Edwards and Saban are the same type of [defensive coach]."

Saban is a Bill Belichick disciple. When Saban was head coach of the Miami Dolphins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia), he hired Edwards to be his linebackers coach.

So what does a Saban-style 3-4 defense look like?

I reached out to Scouts Inc. analyst Steve Muench for his thoughts. Muench prefaced his comments by saying he hasn't done any kind of film study on Saban's defense itself, but has spent enough time evaluating Crimson Tide players to offer a broad strokes opinion.

Says Muench:

"I feel like they are very aggressive on most first and second downs with the strong safety playing a big role in run support. But they also hedge their bets by dropping into Cover 1 or Cover 3 in an effort to take away the big play off play-action. Alabama, like other 3-4 teams, can walk an outside linebacker up to the line of scrimmage, effectively giving it a four-man front.
"Finally, they excel in underneath, matchup zone coverage, which is to say players don't just let receivers catch the ball in front of them and then make the tackle. They match up and track players when they enter the area of the field they are responsible for. This requires a great deal of discipline and communication to prevent breakdowns in the coverage.
"This is why Saban is so great at what he does in my opinion. It's not only his obvious football acumen. It's also his ability to communicate with his players and minimize human error on game day."
I also found this analysis of Alabama's defense (http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/repost-preview-of-nick-sabans-alabama.html) from Chris Brown of SmartFootball.com, a respected site that analyzes on coaching strategies and philosophies. Brown also contributes to "The Fifth Down" blog at NYTimes.com.

In his piece, Brown gives a detailed look into what he considers Saban's most common defense, Cover 1 Robber, and a base zone blitz. Brown also excerpts passages from one of Saban's actual Louisiana State playbooks:

"[Our] philosophy on first and second down is to stop the run and play good zone pass defense. We will occasionally play man-to-man and blitz in this situation. On third down, we will primarily play man-to-man and mix-in some zone and blitzes. We will rush four or more players versus the pass about ninety-percent of the time.
"In all situations, we will defend the inside or middle of the field first -- defend inside to outside. Against the run, we will not allow the ball to be run inside. We want to force the ball outside. Against the pass, we will not allow the ball to be thrown deep down the middle or inside. We want to force the ball to be thrown short and/or outside.
"Finally, our job is to take the ball away from the opponents' offense and score or set up good field position for our offense. We must knock the ball loose, force mistakes, and cause turnovers. Turnovers and making big plays win games. We will be alert and aggressive and take advantage of every opportunity to come up with the ball. ... The trademark of our defense will be effort, toughness, and no mental mistakes regarding score or situation in any game"
All of that sounds good and comes off as idyllic coachspeak.

Keep in mind those objectives reflect Saban's proven defense more than reasonable expectations for a team that's overhauling its roster and transitioning from a 4-3 Tampa 2 scheme.

But it might provide some idea of Bills fans can hope for under Gailey and Edwards.

theanswer74
03-15-2010, 04:00 PM
This defense doesnt seem to fit Kyle Williams much, unless he is at DE. Sounds like they want a big fatty in the middle eating up space.

delectrolux
03-15-2010, 04:03 PM
well, if all this is true, I think Drayton's gonna catch hell from the coaching staff... Nothing like a player tweeting all the information you're trying to keep under wraps (at least until after the draft)...

scartown
03-15-2010, 04:08 PM
This would explain the big contingent the Bills had at the Alabama pro day.
McClain rd1 Cody rd2 :)

DraftBoy
03-15-2010, 04:11 PM
If we go Man to Man on the oustide Im really concerned about McGee.

YardRat
03-15-2010, 04:19 PM
Like this...


http://seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_seth/34.gif

The Spaz
03-15-2010, 04:22 PM
lol

Ed
03-15-2010, 04:26 PM
If we go Man to Man on the oustide Im really concerned about McGee.
I like McGee, but I hate that we extended him and let Jabari Greer walk. I think he was the better CB with more upside and he's younger. Why didn't we just re-sign Greer and let McGee walk after this season? McGee doesn't even play special teams anymore.

Maybe Florence will start instead of McGee this year. He was probably our best corner last year.

JCBills
03-15-2010, 04:33 PM
I like McGee, but I hate that we extended him and let Jabari Greer walk. I think he was the better CB with more upside and he's younger. Why didn't we just re-sign Greer and let McGee walk after this season? McGee doesn't even play special teams anymore.

Maybe Florence will start instead of McGee this year. He was probably our best corner last year.

You don't want your #1 CB playing on ST.

Ed
03-15-2010, 04:52 PM
You don't want your #1 CB playing on ST.
That's fine, but if McGee isn't playing ST's anymore then his value decreases, which was all the more reason to not extend him and re-sign Greer. Plus, will McGee still be our #1 CB? I expect McKelvin to take that role this year and Florence might be better then McGee at this point.

ServoBillieves
03-15-2010, 05:23 PM
Would Marcus Stroud work as a NT in the 3-4? Also, what is Phil Hansen up to these days?

Mr. Pink
03-15-2010, 05:24 PM
In a word...crappy.

Jaybird
03-15-2010, 06:53 PM
very interesting, mcclain in round one would make it that much better

JCBills
03-15-2010, 11:21 PM
very interesting, mcclain in round one would make it that much better

I think we have much bigger needs, and if we can land Andra Davis ILB gets knocked down even further. I know we still need depth, but we can develop a guy from the 3rd or later.

TigerJ
03-15-2010, 11:32 PM
Tim Graham is right on a lot of times, but Gailey has specifically stated he hired Edwards as his defensive coordinator because who know multiple ways to run a 3-4 defense, and his intention was to have the team build its defensive scheme around the players' abilities. That doesn't mean the can't draft McClain (or Terrence Cody) but I think it does mean they are going into the draft with the intention at least of drafting players more for their abillity rather than how they fit into a specific pet scheme.

ServoBillieves
03-15-2010, 11:41 PM
Odrick early in round 2 means goodbye to one of the 3 prominent starters (Williams, Johnson, Stroud) yet with a Bills draft, might be a great backup for a team desperately in need! Anywho... would like to see Odrick in a Bills uni.

PECKERWOOD
03-15-2010, 11:48 PM
Odrick early in round 2 means goodbye to one of the 3 prominent starters (Williams, Johnson, Stroud) yet with a Bills draft, might be a great backup for a team desperately in need! Anywho... would like to see Odrick in a Bills uni.

I would love to see Odrick in a Bills uniform, but I just don't see him slipping to the 2nd round.