Bills set to meet with Spiller.

[plundar]

Most mock drafts we have seen lately have him going to us at 9...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/09/bills-line-up-meeting-with-cj-spiller/

[BILLSROCK1212]

Most mock drafts we have seen lately have him going to us at 9...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/09/bills-line-up-meeting-with-cj-spiller/
I'm a big fan, not only because the running game is supposed to be the biggest part of our offense...but then we would have 3 very unique running backs that many teams would covet and you can get more out of a trade than 1 draft pick

Plus, this opens up the offense even more because teams will be VERY concerned about our running game and even if the O-line was somewhat weak...with three studs running the ball defenses will get worn down easily

I'm a BIG fan of Spiller at 9 although I think Clausen could prevent that from coming to fruition

[sven233]

Until we get a Qb that can beat the 8 in the box that defenses will put out there against our run game, you could have any RBs you want and you won't be successful. I am not saying we need an all-pro QB this year, but we need someone that can hit the intermediate route in the middle of the field (15-25 yards) on a regular basis. If we don't get that, defenses will stack the box and once again our offense will average 17 points or so. We need a QB that can keep a defense honest. Not sure we have that yet.

[BILLSROCK1212]

Until we get a Qb that can beat the 8 in the box that defenses will put out there against our run game, you could have any RBs you want and you won't be successful. I am not saying we need an all-pro QB this year, but we need someone that can hit the intermediate route in the middle of the field (15-25 yards) on a regular basis. If we don't get that, defenses will stack the box and once again our offense will average 17 points or so. We need a QB that can keep a defense honest. Not sure we have that yet.
Trent Edwards can do that with the right coaching and even if you don't think so
look at the Jets....they had at least 3 stud RBs with a ****ty QB and all went well

[SquishDaFish]

Trent Edwards can do that with the right coaching and even if you don't think so
look at the Jets....they had at least 3 stud RBs with a ****ty QB and all went well

Edwards sucks

[DraftBoy]

Good to see. Spiller is more than just a dynamic RB he is an excellent receiver who can play in the slot, he is one of the most dangerous return men, and he can also run the wildcat. He is a more polished runner than Bush but just as dangerous.

[plundar]

If the Bills did take Spiller I would hope that they would trade one of the RB's we have now to secure a serious position of need. They desperately need a LT. I think a NT can be found later in the draft. Maybe Trent with better coaching can be better. DJ couldn't of groomed Elway if he was on the team.

[patmoran2006]

Pure trade leverage move.

Showing genuine interest in Spiller could entice a team to move up in our spot to grab him.

Such as SF, Seattle, etc.

I'd be ESTATIC if we could move down a little from 9.. A guy like Spiller that some teams crave picking after us could make that happen.

[buffalobillsfan95]

The only reason teams want him is because of his speed which is like chris johnson, but to me he is just another reggie bush

[Pinkerton Security]

Most mock drafts we have seen lately have him going to us at 9...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/09/bills-line-up-meeting-with-cj-spiller/

ive seen very few with him going to us at 9..

[Pinkerton Security]

Good to see. Spiller is more than just a dynamic RB he is an excellent receiver who can play in the slot, he is one of the most dangerous return men, and he can also run the wildcat. He is a more polished runner than Bush but just as dangerous.
ill be honest i would puke if we drafted a RB with the first pick and all the holes we have, but ill play along...what impact players could we get at LT, LB or DT in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds?

[YardRat]

http://www.theobr.com/public/mdm/default.asp

Scout's muncher has 38 mocks....Spiller isn't mentioned among the top 4, and looks like he could be the choice in a maximum of 2.

[YardRat]

http://www.theobr.com/public/mdm/byPos.asp?pos=9

Actually, PFT is the only mock of the 38 that has us taking Spiller.

[Night Train]

The only reason teams want him is because of his speed which is like chris johnson, but to me he is just another reggie bush

I don't think his speed is anywhere near Chris Johnson (who's is ?) but his open field cuts that make people miss is what sets him apart from the pack. Makes very quick decisions and never hesitates. Still

Like DB says, his amazing versitility equals more touches and you want guys like this with their hands on the ball.

I'd be more comfortable with the pick if more could be done, prior to draft day.

[Dying_-2-_Live]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFcecMcS6bA

Watch specifically at 1:28

[Oaf]

We have a starting back (or two). We've seen plenty of effective backs selected in the 4th or 5th rounds, we should follow suit.

[yomommabilly]

Until we get a Qb that can beat the 8 in the box that defenses will put out there against our run game, you could have any RBs you want and you won't be successful. I am not saying we need an all-pro QB this year, but we need someone that can hit the intermediate route in the middle of the field (15-25 yards) on a regular basis. If we don't get that, defenses will stack the box and once again our offense will average 17 points or so. We need a QB that can keep a defense honest. Not sure we have that yet.

What he said.:check:

[tampabay25690]

Trent Edwards can do that with the right coaching and even if you don't think so
look at the Jets....they had at least 3 stud RBs with a ****ty QB and all went well

OK you are on the right track but they also had the best OL in the NFL...
The Bills DO NOT YET

[JCBills]

Pure trade leverage move.

Showing genuine interest in Spiller could entice a team to move up in our spot to grab him.

Such as SF, Seattle, etc.

I'd be ESTATIC if we could move down a little from 9.. A guy like Spiller that some teams crave picking after us could make that happen.

I think so too, leverage / possible smokescreen.

If another team thinks Spiller is worth leapfrogging another team for, the war room will be getting it's fair share of calls on draft day. If a guy like Berry somehow slips to that spot, or a team thinks Bryant is worth moving up for, I'd hope OBD would look to move back and attack the lines or LOLB instead of the skill positions. If we can get an extra 2nd day pick I think we're that much closer to filling some massive needs.

[JCBills]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFcecMcS6bA

Watch specifically at 1:28

If we're going by that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhr8oYBoiUI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8B7gh1_d8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRN7iPDbRDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4FE96TKKcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y

[New Ro's Greatest]

If we're going by that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhr8oYBoiUI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8B7gh1_d8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRN7iPDbRDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4FE96TKKcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y

I missed that running last year! He needs to get back to that so him and freddy can wear down defenses! GO BILLS:whistle:

[The Spaz]

I agree. I haven't given up on Marshawn as a RB. He has to get back on track this year though.

[ServoBillieves]

If we draft Spiller with our first pick when we have 2 starting RB's on the team already, that will easily be the most asinine move this club has made in recent memory.

[JCBills]

I missed that running last year! He needs to get back to that so him and freddy can wear down defenses! GO BILLS:whistle:

Yeah, I'm not trying to make excuses for him, especially because it was his own damn fault, but I think the 3 game suspension killed his rhythm, he wasn't able to get into a groove without being the feature back going in.

07 and 08 were great years for him, he had some jaw-dropping plays behind a lackluster OL constantly seeing 8 in the box looks. Nobody can argue he runs hard when he's on, which he was for 2 seasons, but people get caught up on a down season.

I made these to remind us of that lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ6x_CpOfyY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDVcyD0SwEg

With two 1,000+ yd versatile backs that feed off each other, there is no need to spend a top 10 pick on a RB.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

spiller has just as much speed as c johnson but id rather have brandon graham, qbs then pass rushers have the most impact on games...

[PECKERWOOD]

I'm sorry, but taking a RB in the 1st round is a huge mistake, not with the needs we have, yeah, he may be a good football player, but our trenches need fixing first.

[SirMcGee]

This would be a HUGE mistake.

[DraftBoy]

ill be honest i would puke if we drafted a RB with the first pick and all the holes we have, but ill play along...what impact players could we get at LT, LB or DT in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds?

Sorry its taken me this long to respond but here you go;

LT:
Bruce Campbell-2nd
Valdimir Ducasse-2nd
Jared Veldheer-2nd-3rd
Rodger Saffold-2nd-3rd
Jason Fox-3rd
Selvish Capers-3rd
Kyle Calloway-4th

OLB:
Thaddeus Gibson-2nd
Ricky Sapp-1st-2nd
Jason Worlids-2nd-3rd
Koa Msi-3rd
Eric Norwood-3rd
Perry Riley-3rd-4th

ILB:
Sean Lee-2nd-3rd
Brandon Spikes-2nd-3rd
Donald Butler-3rd
Jamar Chaney-3rd-4th
Pat Angerer-4th

DT:
Vince Oghobaase-2nd
Lamaar Houston-3rd
Jeff Owens-3rd
Cam Thomas-3rd
Torrell Troup-3rd-4th
Linval Joseph-4th
D'Anthony Smith-4th


There you go.

[HHURRICANE]

I'm a big fan, not only because the running game is supposed to be the biggest part of our offense...but then we would have 3 very unique running backs that many teams would covet and you can get more out of a trade than 1 draft pick

Plus, this opens up the offense even more because teams will be VERY concerned about our running game and even if the O-line was somewhat weak...with three studs running the ball defenses will get worn down easily

I'm a BIG fan of Spiller at 9 although I think Clausen could prevent that from coming to fruition

There is no running game without a competant o-line. If the bills don't draft for the o-line than they are even dumber than what they have already proven.

[Nighthawk]

IMO, this would be a very stupid pick...OT and QB are much bigger needs and keys to the Bills getting better.

[better days]

Sorry its taken me this long to respond but here you go;

LT:
Bruce Campbell-2nd
Valdimir Ducasse-2nd
Jared Veldheer-2nd-3rd
Rodger Saffold-2nd-3rd
Jason Fox-3rd
Selvish Capers-3rd
Kyle Calloway-4th

OLB:
Thaddeus Gibson-2nd
Ricky Sapp-1st-2nd
Jason Worlids-2nd-3rd
Koa Msi-3rd
Eric Norwood-3rd
Perry Riley-3rd-4th

ILB:
Sean Lee-2nd-3rd
Brandon Spikes-2nd-3rd
Donald Butler-3rd
Jamar Chaney-3rd-4th
Pat Angerer-4th

DT:
Vince Oghobaase-2nd
Lamaar Houston-3rd
Jeff Owens-3rd
Cam Thomas-3rd
Torrell Troup-3rd-4th
Linval Joseph-4th
D'Anthony Smith-4th


There you go.

I would love Brandon Spikes in the 3rd.

[Dying_-2-_Live]

If we're going by that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhr8oYBoiUI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8B7gh1_d8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRN7iPDbRDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4FE96TKKcA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y

I didnt say I wanted Spiller... just saying the guys a beast

Marshawn is a beast... most talented back on the team... just doesnt seem like he wants to be successful with all these stupid moves

[DraftBoy]

IMO, this would be a very stupid pick...OT and QB are much bigger needs and keys to the Bills getting better.

QB in this class? You're willing to take on that kind of risk?

It comes down to this for me. We need a franchise player at this pick, what is our safest pick in that regard? Its not QB, or DT, or even OLB for me. Its likely LT (Bulaga, or Okung) but after that guys like Spiller and Bryant are big time guys who I personally believe will be big time successes in the NFL.

Personally I dont care what position the player is at as long as he can play the game at a high level.

[justasportsfan]

Good to see. Spiller is more than just a dynamic RB he is an excellent receiver who can play in the slot, he is one of the most dangerous return men, and he can also run the wildcat. He is a more polished runner than Bush but just as dangerous.
this is why I wouldn't mind it if we drafted him with our 1st pick even though rb is not a need. His talent doesn't come around often. A dominant rb can make things easier for a qb to develop. I love fred but I'm not sure if he's a home run rb . Not sayng Fred can't be one either but Spiller just has so much to is dimension.

[justasportsfan]

IMO, this would be a very stupid pick...OT and QB are much bigger needs and keys to the Bills getting better.
I agree qb is a huge need but is there a qb in this draft that people can say for sure that this guy is the next Peyton? Bradford , Claussen or Tebow have question marks. I think most of the qb's in this years daft are all projects that I don't want to use our 1st pick with. CJ Spiller is more of a sure thing than any of the qb's.

[DrGraves]

Quarterback or bust!

[Luisito23]

I don't wanna settle for player because he's a need...If we can't get the best OT in this draft then I want a franchise changing player, which Spiller it's most certainly capable of being.

[Nighthawk]

QB in this class? You're willing to take on that kind of risk?

It comes down to this for me. We need a franchise player at this pick, what is our safest pick in that regard? Its not QB, or DT, or even OLB for me. Its likely LT (Bulaga, or Okung) but after that guys like Spiller and Bryant are big time guys who I personally believe will be big time successes in the NFL.

Personally I dont care what position the player is at as long as he can play the game at a high level.

You do not take a RB when you need a LT or DT more. This is a luxury pick, the Bills don't have the luxury...

[DraftBoy]

You do not take a RB when you need a LT or DT more. This is a luxury pick, the Bills don't have the luxury...
I have the same logic, with different words.

You don't take a non-playmaker when you need a playmaker. The Bills dont have the luxury to pass on franchise playmakers.

[kernowboy]

Whilst I know you don't like Bruce Campbell, Draftboy, there is no way he lasts until Round2. He could go as high as No6 with the Seahawks down to No23 (?) the Packers who despite resigning Clifton will not pass on a franchise LT in much the same way the Jaguars drafted Monroe despite signing Tra Thomas

[kernowboy]

I have the same logic, with different words.

You don't take a non-playmaker when you need a playmaker. The Bills dont have the luxury to pass on franchise playmakers.

Thats what the Lions have been doing with all their WR picks ... except it hasn't worked for them.

A franchise playmaker is only as good as the 'grunts' around him - ask Terrell Davis and John Elway at the Broncos with the no name OL

[DraftBoy]

Thats what the Lions have been doing with all their WR picks ... except it hasn't worked for them.

A franchise playmaker is only as good as the 'grunts' around him - ask Terrell Davis and John Elway at the Broncos with the no name OL


That's not true at all.

The Lions weren't taking players like Spiller or Bryant with every pick they were taking low character players with high ceilings who weren't as polished as either Bryant or Spiller.

We can be better at EVERY position (but FS and P) on this football team. I don't care what order we do it in, as long as we start to get better. There are plenty of guys I have big time questions about if they can step in and help immediately or in a few years. But I have no questions about these two players and if they can contribute.

[kernowboy]

except Bryant has been suspended, is dropping like a stone in most mocks and is not explosively fast

and our existing skills players like Evans, and Lynch, and possibly Hardy might be better if we surround them with those unexciting non-skills players who make skilled players better.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

if the bills can stay healthy and actually show a pass rush, this team will win 9 games with edwards or fitz starting... its that simple...i thing the bills will take 2 pass rushers in the first 4 picks.. something like brandon graham and brandon lang....

[kernowboy]

and with no LT, we'll be starting Hamdam by Week7

[DraftBoy]

except Bryant has been suspended, is dropping like a stone in most mocks and is not explosively fast

and our existing skills players like Evans, and Lynch, and possibly Hardy might be better if we surround them with those unexciting non-skills players who make skilled players better.

If you are saying Bryant has a character issues because of his suspension then you have no idea why he was suspended.

Our existing players suck, its that simple. Evans is a #2 who is forced to play #1. Lynch is a dumbass who has no burst and looks for contact instead of trying to avoid it, and Hardy thus far has the same propensity to get hurt that my 4 yr old neighbor does.

I dont think a QB or LT alone are going to improve those players. Nor do I think one or two playmakers are going to turn this team around. I just think its a dumb idea with so many question marks about the LT's and QB's specifically that we would pass on a guy with so few question marks for them. Is it traditional? Nope, not one bit.

And that's not to say Id be upset about a LT pick, I think Bulaga would be our best possible pick but Im not going to be upset about taking a playmaker either.

[DraftBoy]

and with no LT, we'll be starting Hamdam by Week7

Be tough when he's not even on our team.

And do you not think you are being a bit melodramatic?

[kernowboy]

What I do know was he got into trouble for LYING to NCAA investigators which contributed to his suspension which was about training with a non-affiliated with them, Deion Sanders. The character issue is the evasiveness not the reason he was in trouble.

He was also consistently late for team activities including games - it was reported that someone said they wouldn't draft Bryant unless they got someone to wake him up - hardly a commitment to football.

And he's none too bright showing up to Pacman Jones's pro-try out.

[DraftBoy]

What I do know was he got into trouble for LYING to NCAA investigators which contributed to his suspension which was about training with a non-affiliated with them, Deion Sanders. The character issue is the evasiveness not the reason he was in trouble.

He was also consistently late for team activities including games - it was reported that someone said they wouldn't draft Bryant unless they got someone to wake him up - hardly a commitment to football.

And he's none too bright showing up to Pacman Jones's pro-try out.


Then you only know a small fraction of the actual story.

Please cite the report, and I read the late to a few team activities part but you fail to mention that he still worked out and practiced with his teammates despite being suspended and did what he could to help them prepare.

Showing up to support a friend, is not an indication of anything, unless you are trying to read into it. Is Pacman thes best of friends? Of course not, but simply showing up to support a guy is not indicative of anything.

[Night Train]

and with no LT, we'll be starting Hamdam by Week7

Considering he just signed with the Toronto Argo's, that would be something.

[SirMcGee]

What I do know was he got into trouble for LYING to NCAA investigators which contributed to his suspension which was about training with a non-affiliated with them, Deion Sanders. The character issue is the evasiveness not the reason he was in trouble.

He was also consistently late for team activities including games - it was reported that someone said they wouldn't draft Bryant unless they got someone to wake him up - hardly a commitment to football.

And he's none too bright showing up to Pacman Jones's pro-try out.

Thats not why he was suspended. He was suspended because he consulted with Deion about Eugene Parker. Which is against NCAA rules. He then went on to lie to NCAA investigators about talking to Deion about Eugene Parker. Coincidentally, once he stated he was entering the NFL Draft, he later hired Parker to be his agent.

[PECKERWOOD]

I got to admit, Spiller would be a sexy pick if paired with Tebow in the 2nd round, we could run variations of the option offense here which both players would likely excel in.

[X-Era]

I agree with DB. This team is in a complete overhaul, and is too mediocre in too many areas, and overall, to pass up the highest ranked player... regardless of position.

Its going to be a 3-4 year process, and a lot can happen in 3-4 years. In that span we will be adding 21-28 new players via the draft alone (barring trades). No need to pass up a potential stud just because we need a LT or DT.

That said, I have no problem with them going in a variety of directions at 9. I just want the best value possible.

Id be happy with any of the following:

Okung
Bulaga
Dan Williams
Trent Williams
Derrick Morgan
Dez Bryant
CJ Spiller
Jimmy Clausen
Eric Berry
Bradford
Suh
McCoy

[DraftBoy]

Whilst I know you don't like Bruce Campbell, Draftboy, there is no way he lasts until Round2. He could go as high as No6 with the Seahawks down to No23 (?) the Packers who despite resigning Clifton will not pass on a franchise LT in much the same way the Jaguars drafted Monroe despite signing Tra Thomas

Wanna bet? He's not going to Seattle or Oakland, I can almost guarantee you that and Im willing to bet based on what Im hearing from multiple people that he will be at pick 33.

[DraftBoy]

I think another thing to consider is that if there is no football in 2011, we may have upwards of 14 picks in the 2012 NFL Draft, over the next two years (football or no football, since you can't plan based on a potential lockout) I expect to see a complete overhaul of our entire roster with between 5-10 of our current players being left in 3 years. I expect to get younger, faster, and stronger, I dont expect this team to even be competitive until the 2012 season to start with so the W/L record the next two years is inconsequential to me.

[kernowboy]

I just think that skills players thrive on confidence and if you place them in an environment where their confidence gets damaged, they never actually reach their full potential.

I wonder how great Elway might have been beyond what he achieved in the twilight of his career if he'd actually been given a decent LT to play behind before they final traded for Zimmerman or before they finally got a decent ground game.

I'd rather have the non-skills players like a LT go through their growing pains with a journeyman at QB rather than stick a rookie behind a turnstyle like Bell.

[djjimkelly]

while i am all for taking the best player in the draft when we can.

i will lose my mind if we take spiller.

we already have lynch and jackson more then enough.

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

We have too many other holes to fill to waste a #9 pick on any RB. Period.