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Mike
03-31-2010, 09:48 PM
If you were GM, how would you rebuild this team?
Real Simple what is your plan? Who would you draft and sings in FA. Remember that we were $40mil under the cap and soon there will be no cap. Never the less, Ralph is owner, so keep that in mind.

Mike
03-31-2010, 09:59 PM
Here is my plan of action:

1) Trade 2nd rounder to NO for their LT
2) Put all of our Ok to Good Players on the Trading Block. This includes, Whitner, Lynch, Evens, Pos,
3) I would not trade any of last years rookies.

Assume that all trades net us back: 2nd for Evans and 3 3rds for Lynch, Whitner, & pos, & a 4rnd.

So our Picks are: 1: 1st ; 0 2nd; 4 3rds; 2 4ths etc...

Draft: Go BPA with a focus on NT, LB, WR ( if 3 players around the same value are availbale go for need or trade down)

Obviously I can not make the pick now, because I have no idea who is available - no one knows who will be there when the Bills pick- however I will focus on Building the Lines.

Get a Good NT, LBs and another G and OT for Depth. I will also draft Wr, DE,

BillsWin
03-31-2010, 10:00 PM
So far, I am happy with the signings we have made. Andra Davis and Dwan Edwards can come in and help bridge the transition to the 3-4. Chad Jackson could either be a steal or at the very least, depth and competition at a position of need.

I would draft Clausen at nine, and Saffold at 41, followed by best NT available, then BPA from there on out. Hopefully addressing 3-4 depth and perhaps a WR.

If Clausen is not available, I would take the best LT available at nine or trade down. Taking a good NT in round two and possibly a QB in round three, or go WR.

BillsWin
03-31-2010, 10:01 PM
So far, I am happy with the signings we have made. Andra Davis and Dwan Edwards can come in and help bridge the transition to the 3-4. Chad Jackson could either be a steal or at the very least, depth and competition at a position of need.

I would draft Clausen at nine, and Saffold at 41, followed by best NT available, then BPA from there on out. Hopefully addressing 3-4 depth and perhaps a WR.

If Clausen is not available, I would take the best LT available at nine or trade down. Taking a good NT in round two and possibly a QB in round three, or go WR.

Actually, if Clausen is available at nine, I would probably send the 41st pick in the draft to Baltimore for Gaither.

Mike
03-31-2010, 10:01 PM
In this senerio, the bills would have 10pics to get a

NT, 2LBs, DE, WR, G, OT, etc...

Plus we will have a Good LT starting from day one in the trade with NO. I would look to solve all of our O-Line and D-Line troubles with this draft/trades and also get a few good LBs.

Mike
03-31-2010, 10:03 PM
why not get Gaither Now or the Guy from NO? I know NO want to trade one of their LT b/c they have 2 of them that will soon be making too much money

Mike
03-31-2010, 10:04 PM
I am all for trading for an LT eighter with Baltimore or NO
I think a 2nd will do it
Maybe will may need to trow in a player, I herd NO wanted a 1st...

Dicknoze69
03-31-2010, 10:48 PM
So far, I am happy with the signings we have made. Andra Davis and Dwan Edwards can come in and help bridge the transition to the 3-4. Chad Jackson could either be a steal or at the very least, depth and competition at a position of need.

I would draft Clausen at nine, and Saffold at 41, followed by best NT available, then BPA from there on out. Hopefully addressing 3-4 depth and perhaps a WR.

If Clausen is not available, I would take the best LT available at nine or trade down. Taking a good NT in round two and possibly a QB in round three, or go WR.

Regarding Clausen:

@mortreport RT @zachmentz: @mortreport you think bills would pass on clausen? >> Yes.

@mortreport: On Clausen, I don't think he's going in top 20. Maybe he'll change minds soon. Some teams like him, looking for reasons to love him.

This goes in line with where an insider on another board, who has been absolutely money in previous statements, claims that the Bills view Clausen as a fringe 1st rounder and won't consider him at #9.

I agree with Mort in that Clausen is going to slip on draft day, sort of like Rodgers/Quinn did. The media is overrating him and real NFL personnel people like Ingtar and Daniel Jeremiah don't think he's worth a high 1st.

PECKERWOOD
03-31-2010, 11:42 PM
Best player available, year in and year out, always go for the value.

JCBills
04-01-2010, 12:08 AM
#9(1st round) pick for #21(1st round) pick + #54(2nd round) pick + 2011 4th round pick.

Draft:

1. (#21) Jerry Hughes - DE/OLB - TCU - 6'1¾" 255 Lbs

40: 4.69
225: 26x
Vert: 34½"
Broad: 9'10"
20 Yd S: 4.15
3 Cone: 6.99

We simply don't have anyone who could effectively play LOLB. I think Maybin will be able to make the adjustment (playing ROLB), and I honestly see Schobel retiring. Hughes is a possible NFL 3-4 LOLB, TCU uses a 4-2-5, with Hughes basically acting as the strong side LB with his hand in the dirt. They would check to a 3-3-5 or 3-4 at times as well, so he has a good amount of experience standing up. Deep bag of pass rush moves. I honestly think if we don't take him, one of the other AFC East teams will, and he'll end up a nightmare for us. Not a finished product, but worth it.

2. (#41) Rodger Saffold - OT - Indiana - 6'4½" 316 Lbs

40: 5.22
225: 27x
Vert: 29''
Broad: 9'05"
20 Yd S: 4.67
3 Cone: 7.42

Saffold has been flying up boards recently, I've had him in my mocks since my second one of the offseason, and have had to adjust the round fairly often because his stock is rising. Signing his former OL coach makes the pick a little more likely. Saffold had a phenomenal Shrine Game, he was clearly the best offensive lineman in the game, erasing his opponents nearly every play. Strong combine too, he's clearly been working on his foot speed. I still think Jamon Meredith has a very good chance at panning out as a solid NFL LT, but we'll still draft at the position early with holes at both tackle spots.

2. (#54) Taylor Price - WR - Ohio - 6'0⅜" 204 Lbs

40: 4.41
225: 16x
Vert: 37.0
Broad: 9'06''
20 Yd S: 4.34
3 Cone: 6.82

Burner that should fit well in the slot. Good hands, runs pretty good routes, gets open a lot and gives 110% effort in blocking. Suffered from poor QB play throughout his college career. I think Steve Johnson could take a step forward and ends up the #2, but Price could play a significant slot role for us, adding a big piece we've been missing. Shows the ability to catch passes outside his frame, might be a little bit of a reach here, but I think he can be a big time weapon at the next level.

3. (#72) Torrell Troup - NT - UCF - 6'2½" 314 Lbs

40: 5.10
225: 34x
Vert: 29''
Broad: 8'02"
20 Yd S: 4.73
3 Cone: 7.61

I think Troup showed he can anchor against good competition in the Shrine Game if there were an doubters that missed him during the season. Two-gap DT that ate blocks for the nation's #4 run defense. Strong lower body and good use of hands, can ride and split double teams. He's been weighed in at 310 and 314 recently, having played as high as 340 in previous years, and could add 5-10 lbs if needed. 34 reps at the combine answered any questions about upper body strength, especially impressive considering he has 34 inch long arms. He might not last this long, could swap with the #54 pick.

4. (#107) C.J. Wilson - DE - ECU - 6'3'' 290 Lbs

40: 4.75
225: 32x
Vert: 33''
Broad: 9'07"
20 Yd S: 4.77
3 Cone: -

Wilson showed up at the Senior Bowl weighing 284 lbs and moved well, up from 276. He weighed in at 290 at the combine, strengthening the possibility of him as a 3-4 end. Looked very good in drills, extremely quick for his size, and surprised a lot of people with 32 reps, and a 4.75 at 290 is very impressive. Ideal 3-4 RE prospect, he can hold up against the run as well as bring some pressure. Had a very good career at ECU, somewhat of a down year as a senior as far as sack numbers go (he was still extremely disruptive and was the focus of opposing OLs), but Wilson has 4 years of production under his belt, and has played well against ranked teams. Posted 45.5 TFL and 27 Sacks in his career. Could end up being one of the steals of the draft.

5. (#140) BPA ILB - Tough to gauge where this class will go in terms of how fast these ILBs come off the board, a lot of these players have a range of 3 to 4 rounds right now.

Micah Johnson?
Jamar Chaney?
Pat Angerer?

Personally I would go with Johnson, he's the thumper-type you want playing the strong side, and he could learn from Andra Davis for a season or two. Hard to tell if he'll last this long or go later, tough to tell with him coming off the injury, though his combine showing was a display of progress, with his pro day another display of even more progression. Improved a lot of his times, including posting a 4.84 40.

6. (#178) Mike Kafka - QB - Northwestern - 6'3'' 225 Lbs

6. (#192) BPA OLB / OT

7. (#209) BPA DE / NT

7. (#216) BPA ILB / OG / SS

If I were GM, that's where I'd try to head with it. IMO taking the 3rd or 4th best OT in the top 10 just because that's a need doesn't sit well with me, I don't think the value is there, so move back. We don't have any real LOLB candidates on the roster, so grab an impact player there, and hopefully you've got a young OLB duo for years in Maybin and Hughes. In the 2nd, bring a quality OT into the mix, Saffold's ties to our staff kind of make me think this could be the pick in the 2nd. After that, look to add a weapon on offense, a spark we've been missing, a good size-speed combo player in Price, or one of the many solid WR prospects that should be available. NT is next on deck, and could be switched with WR. Troup - Williams should make a decent rotation, and if Troup proves he can play, could be reason enough to deal the undersized-but-hell-of-a-player Kyle Williams in the next offseason to a 4-3 team. Not many of our DTs look to transition all that well to DE, so I'd look for an impact player there at the position. Wilson has exceptional athleticism for his size, and could be a unique 3-4 RDE. Then I'd grab someone to groom behind Andra Davis, and a project QB after that.

SABURZFAN
04-01-2010, 03:54 AM
If you were GM, how would you rebuild this team?
Real Simple what is your plan? Who would you draft and sings in FA. Remember that we were $40mil under the cap and soon there will be no cap. Never the less, Ralph is owner, so keep that in mind.


as of right now, there isn't too much you can do to rebuild. FA players aren't the cream of the crop so basically we're looking at stopgaps for this year. a veteran NT would be nice to bring in and a veteran QB that would be an upgrade to the sluggos we have now. i would say a veteran WR too but they already went and signed somebody.


as for the draft, i'd be looking to trade down to get an extra pick or two. the transition to a 3-4 defense would have me concentrating on the front 7 a little more. the offense needs a QB and i would try to find the best available to run Gailey's offense. C and T would be considered as well. i would look for a RB since we don't know when Lynch's next episode will be.

as we know, rebuilding doesn't happen overnight. the combination of last years draft and this years draft, along with a couple of FA players, could lay a solid foundation to steer this team back in the right direction.

Night Train
04-01-2010, 05:25 AM
as of right now, there isn't too much you can do to rebuild. FA players aren't the cream of the crop so basically we're looking at stopgaps for this year. a veteran NT would be nice to bring in and a veteran QB that would be an upgrade to the sluggos we have now. i would say a veteran WR too but they already went and signed somebody.


as for the draft, i'd be looking to trade down to get an extra pick or two. the transition to a 3-4 defense would have me concentrating on the front 7 a little more. the offense needs a QB and i would try to find the best available to run Gailey's offense. C and T would be considered as well. i would look for a RB since we don't know when Lynch's next episode will be.

as we know, rebuilding doesn't happen overnight. the combination of last years draft and this years draft, along with a couple of FA players, could lay a solid foundation to steer this team back in the right direction.


:bf1:

Night Train
04-01-2010, 05:29 AM
Actually, if Clausen is available at nine, I would probably send the 41st pick in the draft to Baltimore for Gaither.

I would proceed with caution, regarding that thought.

Both his college coach and pro coach stated in print that the guy is talented but doesn't like to put in the work.

Little wonder the Ravens don't wish to pay him the $$. Why should we ?

ddaryl
04-01-2010, 08:39 AM
Step 1.) Solidify the trenches.

Step 2.) Find a Franchise QB

Step 3.) Start Filling the skill positions

Step 4) Keep solidifying the trenches

Step 5) Find a 2nd QB that fits the roll

(I didn't talk about coachng staff etc.. because I felt we're interested in player acqusisitions here)

Don't Panic
04-01-2010, 01:40 PM
#9(1st round) pick for #21(1st round) pick + #54(2nd round) pick + 2011 4th round pick.

Draft:

1. (#21) Jerry Hughes - DE/OLB - TCU - 6'1¾" 255 Lbs

40: 4.69
225: 26x
Vert: 34½"
Broad: 9'10"
20 Yd S: 4.15
3 Cone: 6.99

We simply don't have anyone who could effectively play LOLB. I think Maybin will be able to make the adjustment (playing ROLB), and I honestly see Schobel retiring. Hughes is a possible NFL 3-4 LOLB, TCU uses a 4-2-5, with Hughes basically acting as the strong side LB with his hand in the dirt. They would check to a 3-3-5 or 3-4 at times as well, so he has a good amount of experience standing up. Deep bag of pass rush moves. I honestly think if we don't take him, one of the other AFC East teams will, and he'll end up a nightmare for us. Not a finished product, but worth it.

2. (#41) Rodger Saffold - OT - Indiana - 6'4½" 316 Lbs

40: 5.22
225: 27x
Vert: 29''
Broad: 9'05"
20 Yd S: 4.67
3 Cone: 7.42

Saffold has been flying up boards recently, I've had him in my mocks since my second one of the offseason, and have had to adjust the round fairly often because his stock is rising. Signing his former OL coach makes the pick a little more likely. Saffold had a phenomenal Shrine Game, he was clearly the best offensive lineman in the game, erasing his opponents nearly every play. Strong combine too, he's clearly been working on his foot speed. I still think Jamon Meredith has a very good chance at panning out as a solid NFL LT, but we'll still draft at the position early with holes at both tackle spots.Wow do I love those first two... make Cam Thomas the latter 2nd rounder and I'm on board. Then we have our three biggest question marks (assuming Schobel is done) filled nicely.

As for what I'd do, it has to be centered around the draft. This was not a year to make a splash in FA, so what we've done will suffice.

I'm curious to see what a healthy O Line and Gailey's play calling and leadership will do with what's left on offense. I think he will make good use of Edwards at QB and Jackson, Parrish and Hardy at WR, not to mention nelson at TE. The key is having the blocking to make the plays work. Saffold-Wood-Hangartner-Levitre-Green is an average line, but one that should get better with time.

Next year, I'd go after 1 or 2 big FA additions to fill the remaining weaknesses (one of QB or WR are likely), and then BPA in the draft, which is a luxury we should be more able to afford next year.

If the cards fall our way, we could definitely be competing for a playoff spot in 2011.

OpIv37
04-01-2010, 02:26 PM
If you were GM, how would you rebuild this team?
Real Simple what is your plan? Who would you draft and sings in FA. Remember that we were $40mil under the cap and soon there will be no cap. Never the less, Ralph is owner, so keep that in mind.

1. Everyone in any way associated with previous administrations: GONE. Overdorf, Brandon, Modrak and all their lackeys- GONE (although I could live with demoting Brandon to a marketing-only role that had nothing to do with football).

2. Sign or trade for the best NT currently available on the market, even if he's not that good. We need a starting point.

3. During the draft, focus on D. Go NT early, probably 2nd round. Use the first on an OLB pass rushing specialist.

4. Look to move the following guys:
Whitner
Schobel
Kelsay
Mitchell
Youboty
Parrish
Maybin
Stroud
K. Williams

Kyle Williams is a fan favorite but he just doesn't fit the new scheme. The rest of those guys are just useless. I realize it's too much to cut/replace/trade all of them in one off-season, but I'd be trying to get as many of them as possible off the roster.

5. Next off-season, focus on the OL and finding the franchise QB. Bring in an old vet or journeyman-type QB who can take the lumps while the OL and the new guy learn.

NOT THE DUDE...
04-01-2010, 02:39 PM
its real simple people, get a franchise qb!!!!!!

OpIv37
04-01-2010, 02:42 PM
its real simple people, get a franchise qb!!!!!!

Irrelevant without an offensive line and WR's. If we draft Bradford/Clausen/Tebow, they're going to end up just like Edwards, Losman, Bledsoe, Collins, RJ, etc.

k-oneputt
04-01-2010, 02:54 PM
Irrelevant without an offensive line and WR's. If we draft Bradford/Clausen/Tebow, they're going to end up just like Edwards, Losman, Bledsoe, Collins, RJ, etc.

Actually you have it backwards. The wr's are irrelevant unless you have a qb. Check out Lee Evans since he's been here and his tandem with TO last year. Evans is the biggest waste of 9 million I've ever seen, and it's not all his fault.
You can win with a good qb and average wr's.
Now o-line is a different story. They are a close 2nd behind the qb. Wr's and rb's are meaningless. you can find them every year but are worhless until qb and o-line are in place.

And many here want to draft a wr at #9. Unreal.

YardRat
04-01-2010, 03:05 PM
I'd take a WR at #9, if the top LT's and NT's are off the board already and we can't find a partner to trade down with.

I'm more in line with ddaryl's approach, but 2 and 3 are interchangeable for me. If we're not looking to get a franchise QB this season, might as well still bring a couple of guys at WR and RB that can help.


Step 1.) Solidify the trenches.

Step 2.) Find a Franchise QB

Step 3.) Start Filling the skill positions

Step 4) Keep solidifying the trenches

Step 5) Find a 2nd QB that fits the roll

JCBills
04-01-2010, 05:55 PM
Wow do I love those first two... make Cam Thomas the latter 2nd rounder and I'm on board. Then we have our three biggest question marks (assuming Schobel is done) filled nicely.

As for what I'd do, it has to be centered around the draft. This was not a year to make a splash in FA, so what we've done will suffice.

I'm curious to see what a healthy O Line and Gailey's play calling and leadership will do with what's left on offense. I think he will make good use of Edwards at QB and Jackson, Parrish and Hardy at WR, not to mention nelson at TE. The key is having the blocking to make the plays work. Saffold-Wood-Hangartner-Levitre-Green is an average line, but one that should get better with time.

Next year, I'd go after 1 or 2 big FA additions to fill the remaining weaknesses (one of QB or WR are likely), and then BPA in the draft, which is a luxury we should be more able to afford next year.

If the cards fall our way, we could definitely be competing for a playoff spot in 2011.
I honestly like Troup over Thomas. Troup plays lower, and could probably come in at 320 by the start of the season. Thomas wasn't even the best DT on his team.

With that OT scenario though, I have Meredith winning the LT spot, and Saffold at RT. I think Cornell Green's contract is backloaded, so if he's only on the team for a year as a backup, no big monetary concern (I think). Yeah, that's two young OTs, but I really liked what Meredith showed, and I think hes experience / athleticism give him the edge there. I also have Brohm over Edwards, call me crazy. Eventually Wood is moved back to C, and Brohm gets that confidence boost from being comfortable with his long-time C.

I agree with your FA approach the second year though, if we can have a solid draft and show something on the field this year, we're much more attractive than our current state, and those one or two big FAs have reason to see themselves as that missing piece. We have too many missing pieces to be able to swing that right now lol.

I wouldn't know how to approach the next draft though, so much happens in a season.

Philagape
04-01-2010, 08:13 PM
The best way to rebuild it? Sell it.

SirMcGee
04-01-2010, 08:25 PM
Defense, Running game and a competent QB.

Night Train
04-01-2010, 08:29 PM
I would cut everyone, select Tebow, pay him 40 Mill a year and sign 51 street FA's and have Tebow "inspire them" with wisdom and prayer.