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I've thought this two seeing he is never mentioned in who we will take. We raved about Troupe yesterday but not one peep of Dan. Best case scenario we draft Dan and trade Kyle for a 3rd which I think a team like Indy would do.
NT is as important to a 3-4 D and LT is to an offense. I know where you're going but you are seriously downplaying the role the NT plays in the D.
I agree on the importance. But I don't agree with drafting a NT that high. If you are drafting a DT in the top ten he better be a 2-dimensional force like McCoy and Suh.
Dan Williams (62 tack, 2 sack) is only marginally better than Linval Joseph (59 tack, 3 sack), Torrell Troup (32 tack, 2 sack) and Cam Thomas (23 tack, 2 sack).
Additionally, strength wise, Troup, Joseph and Thomas all showed superior strength to Williams throwing up 34, 39, and 31 reps on the bench respectively.
At the end of the day, I think I have a better chance at finding a similar player to Dan Williams in rounds 2, 3 and 4 than I do finding Spiller, Bryant, Clausen, Graham or Berry.
Tell me, if you could only keep 2 of 3 for these teams who would they be?,
Casey Hampton, Roth, or James Harrison?
How bout Jamal Williams, Shawne Merriman (minus injury -- at full strength) and Rivers?
I agree on the importance. But I don't agree with drafting a NT that high. If you are drafting a DT in the top ten he better be a 2-dimensional force like McCoy and Suh.
Dan Williams (62 tack, 2 sack) is only marginally better than Linval Joseph (59 tack, 3 sack), Torrell Troup (32 tack, 2 sack) and Cam Thomas (23 tack, 2 sack).
Additionally, strength wise, Troup, Joseph and Thomas all showed superior strength to Williams throwing up 34, 39, and 31 reps on the bench respectively.
At the end of the day, I think I have a better chance at finding a similar player to Dan Williams in rounds 2, 3 and 4 than I do finding Spiller, Bryant, Clausen, Graham or Berry.
Tell me, if you could only keep 2 of 3 for these teams who would they be?,
Casey Hampton, Roth, or James Harrison?
How bout Jamal Williams, Shawne Merriman (minus injury -- at full strength) and Rivers?
Moss, Brady, or Wilfork?
Gabe Watson, Warner or Fitzgerald?
Kris Jenkins, D'Brick, D. Revis?
Aubrayo Franklin, Vernon Davis, P. Willis?
Jake Long, Jason Ferguson, Ronnie Brown?
You lost your entire argument when you attempted to use stats to compare NT's. Im sorry but you know better than that, as for a comparison effort, its a completely bias and unfair thing to compare players that play on opposite sides of the ball and in different systems.
You can't tell me any other NT prospect has the size, athletic ability, and production (not just stats) that Williams has. That's why he is so highly rated.
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You lost your entire argument when you attempted to use stats to compare NT's. Im sorry but you know better than that, as for a comparison effort, its a completely bias and unfair thing to compare players that play on opposite sides of the ball and in different systems.
You can't tell me any other NT prospect has the size, athletic ability, and production (not just stats) that Williams has. That's why he is so highly rated.
My point is that this is a deep DT class and the difference in impact Williams will have as compared to the other NTs is marginal.
And yes you can compare players from opposite sides of the ball because finding a player that can get into the endzone frequently is much harder than finding a guy to eat up space. Same with pass rushers and LTs.
Miami, SD and NYJ all lost their starting NTs yet their defenses remained dominant. It's an important position but not one that can't be filled adequately by backups and lower round draft picks. Replacing a big time WR, franchise QB, home-run hitting RB and top pass rushers is much harder to do.
Im talking playmakers on either side of the ball vs NTs and to me taking the best playmaker in the draft and grabbing a NT prospect later makes more sense.
By the way I bet you would have cut the NT 6 of the 7 instances I gave you.
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