Why the Buffalo Bills will never win.

[OpIv37]

In 2004, we used our highest draft pick on WR Lee Evans. In 2005, we used our highest draft pick (2nd round, 55 overall) on WR Roscoe Parrish. In 2008, we traded up to select James Hardy early in the 2nd round.

We still need WR's.

In 2004 we drafted JP Losman in the first round. In 2007, we drafted Trent Edwards in the 3rd round.

We still need a QB.

In 2003, we drafted RB Wills McGahee in the first round. In 2007, we drafted RB Marshawn Lynch in the first round.

In 2010, we drafted RB CJ Spiller in the first round because we STILL NEED RB's.

Every draft is spent making up for the mistakes of previous drafts. The new FO is continuing the trend. **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.

Oh, and did I mention that one of the best LT's in the draft went one pick AFTER Buffalo? Only the Bills are ****ing ******ed enough to draft RB BEFORE fixing up the OL with a LT. Once again, **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.

[sqad5]

Go away

[OpIv37]

Go away

truth hurts, doesn't it?

[Bulldog]

Same to you OP, same to you.

[Nighthawk]

OP, I understand, but this isn't like the other regimes. These guys took the best player on the board and possibly the draft. I cannot fault them for that.

[BSU Drew]

You are one negative sob.... life must suck huh..

[tat2dmike77]

and here we go

[justasportsfan]

you keep *****ing about not having talent and we grabbed one with crazy talent.

You *****ed about wasting roster spots on players who do nothing but playst.

You'd find something to ***** about no matter who we drafted

[OpIv37]

You are one negative sob.... life must suck huh..

not talking about life- talking about a football team that hasn't done **** for 10 years.

[trapezeus]

i wanted to fix the lines, but the way it shook out, spiller was the true talent and a game changer. why reach for an OT when they are still there to some degree.

[Bulldog]

No OP, the reason why Buffalo drafted terribly is because they reached to draft players at positions of perceived need. BPA is the way to go. Thats how teams land playmakers. I love the Spiller pick.

[Dr. Lecter]

So which LT on the board was worth the #9 pick?

I generally agree, but this was a good pick.

Who do you think they should have drafted?

Is there any chance he will be good or did you have your mind made up before the draft to bash the pick?

Using the previous **** ups and applying them to Nix when he was not here for the picks is a stretch.

[sqad5]

truth hurts, doesn't it?
It hurts to see your post

[OpIv37]

OP, I understand, but this isn't like the other regimes. These guys took the best player on the board and possibly the draft. I cannot fault them for that.

Who's gonna block for him? Who's gonna throw to him?

We'll get him killed by week 3.

[hydro]

When we change up our FO I just forget about the previous regimes and what we did. There is a trend but that can't be the only reason why you hate the pick. The guy is a straight up play maker. I believe that Nix knows what he is doing.

[Dr. Lecter]

not talking about life- talking about a football team that hasn't done **** for 10 years.

And Nix had what to do with that exactly?

[BILLSROCK1212]

It's a new regime...this guy is a WR, RB, KR all in one.

[Dr. Lecter]

Who's gonna block for him? Who's gonna throw to him?

We'll get him killed by week 3.

Who was there to block for him?

In case you did not realize this the team has many, many, many holes.

Big playmaker on offense is one of them.

[THATHURMANATOR]

OP, I understand, but this isn't like the other regimes. These guys took the best player on the board and possibly the draft. I cannot fault them for that.
Exactly. Op you did make some very good points except you didn't account for Nighthawks assesment.

[Nighthawk]

Who's gonna block for him? Who's gonna throw to him?

We'll get him killed by week 3.

He's the type of player who makes players around him better...you can't just ignore that.

[OpIv37]

you keep *****ing about not having talent and we grabbed one with crazy talent.

You *****ed about wasting roster spots on players who do nothing but playst.

You'd find something to ***** about no matter who we drafted

at a position where we already HAVE some talent (granted not as much as Spiller, but in terms of need, this was low on the list).

We still have no LT. We still have no one on the roster who can play NT. We still have no QB (although I'm glad we didn't draft Tebow or Clausen here). The list of problems goes on and on.... and we address a position that isn't really a problem.

****ing idiots.

[YardRat]

We gotta hit on one eventually, it might as well be this year with Spiller.

I'll be happier with some big guys the rest of the draft.

[hydro]

And Nix had what to do with that exactly?

Its all trends Dr. You can only look at this analytically. We have screwed up for 10 years so even know this guy is possibly the best in the draft we still screwed up.

[OpIv37]

And Nix had what to do with that exactly?

The guy paying Nix (Ralph) had a lot to do with it. The guys working under Nix (Modrak, Overdorf, Brandon) had a lot to do with it.

There isn't nearly the amount of change in the FO that some of you like to think.

[OpIv37]

Its all trends Dr. You can only look at this analytically. We have screwed up for 10 years so even know this guy is possibly the best in the draft we still screwed up.

see previous post- all the guys working above and around Nix had a LOT to do with the last 10 years, and the trend continues.

[OpIv37]

Exactly. Op you did make some very good points except you didn't account for Nighthawks assesment.

Unfortunately, BPA is a luxury that teams like Buffalo can't afford.

[Bulldog]

at a position where we already HAVE some talent (granted not as much as Spiller, but in terms of need, this was low on the list).

We still have no LT. We still have no one on the roster who can play NT. We still have no QB (although I'm glad we didn't draft Tebow or Clausen here). The list of problems goes on and on.... and we address a position that isn't really a problem.

****ing idiots.

You do realize that there is six rounds to go right? Overreact much?

[Al the Bills Fan]

In 2004, we used our highest draft pick on WR Lee Evans. In 2005, we used our highest draft pick (2nd round, 55 overall) on WR Roscoe Parrish. In 2008, we traded up to select James Hardy early in the 2nd round.

We still need WR's.

In 2004 we drafted JP Losman in the first round. In 2007, we drafted Trent Edwards in the 3rd round.

We still need a QB.

In 2003, we drafted RB Wills McGahee in the first round. In 2007, we drafted RB Marshawn Lynch in the first round.

In 2010, we drafted RB CJ Spiller in the first round because we STILL NEED RB's.

Every draft is spent making up for the mistakes of previous drafts. The new FO is continuing the trend. **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.

Oh, and did I mention that one of the best LT's in the draft went one pick AFTER Buffalo? Only the Bills are ****ing ******ed enough to draft RB BEFORE fixing up the OL with a LT. Once again, **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.
So you just said that RB was STILL a need and then are upset that we drafted one? did you want them to take the 3rd best OT or DT? their guy wasn't there at either of those places so they took BPA.

You do realize that the draft is more then one round don't you? I know you are frustrated with the last ten years or Bills football...WE ALL ARE!!! Creating threads *****ing about the draft when it is 3 hours old is stupid.

We finally have a GM that knows how to draft...how about waiting until the draft is over before crying about. With the talent that is dropping, we will get another real good player in the 2nd.

[tat2dmike77]

at a position where we already HAVE some talent (granted not as much as Spiller, but in terms of need, this was low on the list).

We still have no LT. We still have no one on the roster who can play NT. We still have no QB (although I'm glad we didn't draft Tebow or Clausen here). The list of problems goes on and on.... and we address a position that isn't really a problem.

****ing idiots.

Well you were asked once so lets ask again who was worth the #9 pick what game changer would you of picked. I mean since you seem to know who would of been the best pick.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Unfortunately, BPA is a luxury that teams like Buffalo can't afford.
Why not?

[Dr. Lecter]

at a position where we already HAVE some talent (granted not as much as Spiller, but in terms of need, this was low on the list).

We still have no LT. We still have no one on the roster who can play NT. We still have no QB (although I'm glad we didn't draft Tebow or Clausen here). The list of problems goes on and on.... and we address a position that isn't really a problem.

****ing idiots.



So you ***** they did not take a QB but did not want the QBs there. You ***** they did not take a LT but do not mention which LT was worth the #9 pick. Dan Williams went 20 picks later.

And, I think (I am not sure though) that they have more draft picks.

Did you decide that the pick was bad this morning, last night or last week?

[Bert102176]

I love the Spillerpick but am so f'n pissd we didn't get tebow the fo screws up once again

[Dr. Lecter]

Unfortunately, BPA is a luxury that teams like Buffalo can't afford.

Except they have so many needs that they might as well because the pick they took was a need.

[psubills62]

I'll tell you what...I think we need to wait and see how the rest of the draft plays out. A lot of good OL are from rounds later than the first. This draft is deep with OT's.

The key is developing players. Jauron was not able to develop players on a consistent basis. In Nix's history, he seems capable at getting OL in the later rounds that develop into good players. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of OT's taken in rounds 3-7, if one isn't taken in round 2.

[DMBcrew36]

I agree with Op that the Bills drafting has shown extreme incompetence. However, I do like the Spiller pick.

[justasportsfan]

at a position where we already HAVE some talent (granted not as much as Spiller, but in terms of need, this was low on the list).

We still have no LT. We still have no one on the roster who can play NT. We still have no QB (although I'm glad we didn't draft Tebow or Clausen here). The list of problems goes on and on.... and we address a position that isn't really a problem.

****ing idiots.

The talent we have do not have a ability to go the distance . One of them is a problem away from getting a one year suspension.

What is it that you do not understand when Nix said it will take years? Talent like this does not come often.


If we let this talent go, you'd ***** anyways.

[OpIv37]

So you ***** they did not take a QB but did not want the QBs there. You ***** they did not take a LT but do not mention which LT was worth the #9 pick. Dan Williams went 20 picks later.

And, I think (I am not sure though) that they have more draft picks.

Did you decide that the pick was bad this morning, last night or last week?

I've been *****ing about the possibility of taking Spiller all day. It's a terrible choice. San Diego traded up for an RB- don't think they would have traded up for Spiller too? We could have taken Davis.


And ok, fine- let's go with your premise. No one at the other positions was available.

So, where exactly are we going to find LT? NT? QB? WR? We did nothing for any of these positions in FA. We failed to find someone in the first round of the draft for any of these positions.

So, we're going to do EXACTLY what the previous regimes have done: try to fill holes with lower draft picks, UDFA's and post-draft cuts from other teams. It hasn't worked before and it won't work now.

[OpIv37]

Except they have so many needs that they might as well because the pick they took was a need.

the need they filled was maybe 5th in terms of priority and came at the opportunity cost of filling one of the top 4.

[Dr. Lecter]

I've been *****ing about the possibility of taking Spiller all day. It's a terrible choice. San Diego traded up for an RB- don't think they would have traded up for Spiller too? We could have taken Davis.


And ok, fine- let's go with your premise. No one at the other positions was available.

So, where exactly are we going to find LT? NT? QB? WR? We did nothing for any of these positions in FA. We failed to find someone in the first round of the draft for any of these positions.

So, we're going to do EXACTLY what the previous regimes have done: try to fill holes with lower draft picks, UDFA's and post-draft cuts from other teams. It hasn't worked before and it won't work now.

I did not say they were not there.

Fact is you are *****ing about the pick and not offering up the name they should have taken. Is it too much to ask that you offer what the proper choice was?

A name would be nice.

[TacklingDummy]

In 2004, we used our highest draft pick on WR Lee Evans. In 2005, we used our highest draft pick (2nd round, 55 overall) on WR Roscoe Parrish. In 2008, we traded up to select James Hardy early in the 2nd round.

We still need WR's.

In 2004 we drafted JP Losman in the first round. In 2007, we drafted Trent Edwards in the 3rd round.

We still need a QB.

In 2003, we drafted RB Wills McGahee in the first round. In 2007, we drafted RB Marshawn Lynch in the first round.

In 2010, we drafted RB CJ Spiller in the first round because we STILL NEED RB's.

Every draft is spent making up for the mistakes of previous drafts. The new FO is continuing the trend. **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.

Oh, and did I mention that one of the best LT's in the draft went one pick AFTER Buffalo? Only the Bills are ****ing ******ed enough to draft RB BEFORE fixing up the OL with a LT. Once again, **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.

And if they picked a Tackle you would have brought up Mike Williams.

Or a CB, you would have brought up McFumbles.

Or a Saftey, Whitner.

Or a LB, Poz.

What's the point?

[justasportsfan]

the need they filled was maybe 5th in terms of priority and came at the opportunity cost of filling one of the top 4.
playmaker is a HUGE need especially on offense.

[Akhippo]

When did the LT that was slotted for Buffalo go?
When did the NT that was slotted to Buffalo go?
Where is the QB that some slotted to Buffalo go?

Maybe Anthony Davis would have been the pick but we need BIG BIG Bodies. Those tend to slide. Mt. Cody. 3-4 DE's. We either get Clausen or start picking up those still available BIG bodies.

We are in good shape.

At least it wasnt a DB.

[zone]

Lots of draft left to go. We picked the top play maker in the draft, can't really complain about that. If history means anything the last few SB champions have not had first round picks on the OL.

[OpIv37]

And if they picked a Tackle you would have brought up Mike Williams.

Or a CB, you would have brought up McFumbles.

Or a Saftey, Whitner.

Or a LB, Poz.

What's the point?

I would have been fine with an OT or a LB.

Like RB, S and CB aren't priorities right now.

If you disagree with me, fine, but don't put words in my mouth or pretend to know what I'm thinking.

[OpIv37]

playmaker is a HUGE need especially on offense.

playmakers are useless without blockers.

[hydro]

Still no names that would have been a better pick. You know the bad picks really well but can't say who we should have picked. Typical...

[TonyIncredible]

im drunker than crap right now but im sober enough to tell you , spiller is gonna light it up ive always stated he's adrian pederson v.2 LETS GO B-LO!

[OpIv37]

Still no names that would have been a better pick. You know the bad picks really well but can't say who we should have picked. Typical...

Davis for one.

[Akhippo]

There is no one at 9 other than Spiller that i could see picking based on how the first round shaped up.

Give it to Spiller and Jackson all day long.

[Oldbillsfan]

I thought it was a great pick given the circumstances, and there is a lot of them.

[justasportsfan]

playmakers are useless without blockers.Uh, Freddy ran for over 1000 yards with our crappy OL. If Dick didn't insist on starting Lynch, he could have ran for more. The only thing is that Freddie isn't a homerun hitter.

[OpIv37]

im drunker than crap right now but im sober enough to tell you , spiller is gonna light it up ive always stated he's adrian pederson v.2 LETS GO B-LO!

Don't get me wrong- I'm sure Spiller has talent. I'm just sick of drafting a position high then drafting the same position 2 or 3 years later because we ****ed up on the first pick. And I'm really wondering when the team is going to start addressing the mountain of holes.... as of right now, the only position where we're better now than we were when the season ended is RB. Every other position is the same or worse.

[OpIv37]

Uh, Freddy ran for over 1000 yards with our crappy OL. If Dick didn't insist on starting Lynch, he could have ran for more. The only thing is that Freddie isn't a homerun hitter.

for the last time, in a 16 game season, 1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. That's not even average.

[Ebenezer]

Davis for one.

the laziest player in the draft?? oy.

[kelly2reed4six]

Who's gonna block for him? Who's gonna throw to him?

We'll get him killed by week 3.

This guy doesn't need great blocking. He is a Chris Johnson type of runner. Chris Johnson had one of the highest number of carries of like a yard or less last season...but he changed how many games because he broke off a 50 yarder??

[hydro]

the laziest player in the draft?? oy.

Has had off the field issues too I believe.

[justasportsfan]

Don't get me wrong- I'm sure Spiller has talent. I'm just sick of drafting a position high then drafting the same position 2 or 3 years later because we ****ed up on the first pick. And I'm really wondering when the team is going to start addressing the mountain of holes.... as of right now, the only position where we're better now than we were when the season ended is RB. Every other position is the same or worse.


stop blaming Nix for something he didn't do in the past. So far he added a weapon not only in the running game but also in the return and passing game from the backfield with one player ,one pick.

[Dr. Lecter]

for the last time, in a 16 game season, 1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. That's not even average.

So the average back has over a 1000 yards?

And remember, Jackson did not start all year

And the line, with its injuries last year, should be better this year (but will still struggle)

At least you gave a name, although I am not a fan of Davis.

I thought you hated project picks like Davis?

[TacklingDummy]

playmakers are useless without blockers.
I didn't know good o-linemen were only found in the 1st round.

[justasportsfan]

for the last time, in a 16 game season, 1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. That's not even average.
what is it you don't understand that he had would ave better nos. if Dick didn't insist on starting lynch? Don't forget how bad the ol was.


by your logic, Barry Sanders had a great OL if you're only going by nos.

[OpIv37]

So the average back has over a 1000 yards?

And remember, Jackson did not start all year

And the line, with its injuries last year, should be better this year (but will still struggle)

At least you gave a name, although I am not a fan of Davis.

I thought you hated project picks like Davis?

I never said I hated project picks- it depends on the situation. And when Demetrius ****ing Bell is our starting LT, I'll take a project over a dismal failure.

The average back probably doesn't get 1000 a season, but they probably don't play every game either. The average back averages more than 62.5 a game.

[justasportsfan]

Davis for one.


What? :roflmao: You're *****ing about the talent we just drafted for someone who had the same issues as Mike WIlliams? Are you on drugs?

[TacklingDummy]

I never said I hated project picks- it depends on the situation. And when Demetrius ****ing Bell is our starting LT, I'll take a project over a dismal failure.
Many have considered Bell a project.

Trade one project for another. Makes sense.

[OpIv37]

stop blaming Nix for something he didn't do in the past. So far he added a weapon not only in the running game but also in the return and passing game from the backfield with one player ,one pick.

Huh? He JUST DID IT TONIGHT. We have a surprisingly good undrafted RB and a decent RB that we just drafted 2 years ago and he's already USING DRAFT PICKS ON THE SAME ******* POSITIONS!

Christ, you can say the other positions aren't Buddy's fault, but this was his first draft pick and he used it to do the same thing: replace a player who was just recently drafted high instead of filling another need.

[OpIv37]

Many have considered Bell a project.

Trade one project for another. Makes sense.

Oh please? Davis=Bell? That's just plain dumb.

[OpIv37]

What? :roflmao: You're *****ing about the talent we just drafted for someone who had the same issues as Mike WIlliams? Are you on drugs?

Now Davis=MW? How are you guys so sure that Spiller is so great and Davis is a bust?

Any draft pick is a gamble and I'd rather gamble on the positions where we most need the help.

[Dr. Lecter]

Now Davis=MW? How are you guys so sure that Spiller is so great and Davis is a bust?

Any draft pick is a gamble and I'd rather gamble on the positions where we most need the help.

I would rather take a guy that is less of a gamble.

[TacklingDummy]

Any draft pick is a gamble and I'd rather gamble on the positions where we most need the help.
Which is playmakers.

[hydro]

Now Davis=MW? How are you guys so sure that Spiller is so great and Davis is a bust?

Any draft pick is a gamble and I'd rather gamble on the positions where we most need the help.

And that is why you will never be in an NFL FO.

[justasportsfan]

Huh? He JUST DID IT TONIGHT. We have a surprisingly good undrafted RB and a decent RB that we just drafted 2 years ago and he's already USING DRAFT PICKS ON THE SAME ******* POSITIONS!

Christ, you can say the other positions aren't Buddy's fault, but this was his first draft pick and he used it to do the same thing: replace a player who was just recently drafted high instead of filling another need.


He's drafting for the FUTURE. He didn't draft Lynch and Lynch is not the future .

Davis guy might eat his way out of the league like Mike Williams yet you cry about Spiller. Mkay

[justasportsfan]

Now Davis=MW? How are you guys so sure that Spiller is so great and Davis is a bust?

Any draft pick is a gamble and I'd rather gamble on the positions where we most need the help.


I'll GAMBLE for talent over than someone who's said to be fat and lazy. Spiller is a safer pick AT 9 .

[OpIv37]

I would rather take a guy that is less of a gamble.
well, with our ****ty OL, any RB is a huge gamble.

[OpIv37]

And that is why you will never be in an NFL FO.

and you will simply because you like this pick and I don't? Yeah, ok.

[OpIv37]

I'll GAMBLE for talent over than someone who's said to be fat and lazy. Spiller is a safer pick AT 9 .

Again, no RB is a safe pick behind our ****ty OL.

[ChristopherWalken]

I would also have liked the Bills to have build up the lines but who know what is in the works. Obviously the Bills are not enamored with Lynch, so they have the ability to use him at their discretion for leverage in obtaining another pick in round 2 or in a player trade.

Still a few months left before pre-season. Roster not established yet. Lets allow things to settle before criticizing.

[TacklingDummy]

Again, no RB is a safe pick behind our ****ty OL.
Still 6 rounds left.

I rather have Rodger Saffold over Bulaga or Davis.

[hydro]

and you will simply because you like this pick and I don't? Yeah, ok.
Never said that. DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!

It's a popular strategy for GMs to go with BPA.

[justasportsfan]

Again, no RB is a safe pick behind our ****ty OL.
As if Davis would have solidified this OL.

barry Sanders didn't need an OL.

DAvis? Lol.

[OpIv37]

He's drafting for the FUTURE. He didn't draft Lynch and Lynch is not the future .

Davis guy might eat his way out of the league like Mike Williams yet you cry about Spiller. Mkay

it's always the future.

A few years ago, the Jets were 4-12 and the Dolphins were 1-15. The Dolphins won the division the following year, and the Jets made the conf final the year after that.

But for Buffalo, we can never win now. It's ALWAYS about the future, but the future never arrives.

Since the season ended, we lost Butler, Reed and TO, so we're worse at T and WR. We're better at... RB, and that just happened tonight.

How are we building for the future by getting better at -1 positions?

[OpIv37]

Still 6 rounds left.

I rather have Rodger Saffold over Bulaga or Davis.

So, once again, we're going to fill holes with cheap low round draft picks like we've been doing for the past 10 years? How did that work out?

[TacklingDummy]

So, once again, we're going to fill holes with cheap low round draft picks like we've been doing for the past 10 years? How did that work out?
Im not sure, ask the other 31 teams that do the samething,

[OpIv37]

Im not sure, ask the other 31 teams that do the samething,

Most teams don't wait until the 2nd round of the draft to fill major holes. The teams that do have much better scouting than we do.

[justasportsfan]

it's always the future.

A few years ago, the Jets were 4-12 and the Dolphins were 1-15. The Dolphins won the division the following year, and the Jets made the conf final the year after that.



Have you noticed that both teams improved once they changed their coaches?

The bills need weapons. End of story.

[djjimkelly]

Don't get me wrong- I'm sure Spiller has talent. I'm just sick of drafting a position high then drafting the same position 2 or 3 years later because we ****ed up on the first pick. And I'm really wondering when the team is going to start addressing the mountain of holes.... as of right now, the only position where we're better now than we were when the season ended is RB. Every other position is the same or worse.


exactly i'm sure we just grabbed the best rb in the draft and that is nice.

however every sucessful team either has a a great qb great o line or a great front 7 rb rarely is what makes or breaks a team.

nothing will change my mind while spiller might have a very nice career here. i agree go best available but someone in tat front 7 o line should have been the pick. or we should have traded down.

anyway spiller is here go spiller

[OpIv37]

Have you noticed that both teams improved once they changed their coaches?

The bills need weapons. End of story.

Both teams made better coaching choices than we did.

And since you're so fond of using Detroit as an example, ask them how drafting an offensive weapon early every season works out...

[Mr. Pink]

I have to agree with OP....picks like this are the reason why we're never anywhere near playoff contention. We have so many holes and draft a guy at a position where we have two capable players?

Just makes no sense.

[hydro]

Wow, the Titans must have made a huge mistake in getting Chris Johnson when they had just drafted Lendale White and Chris Henry the previous years. They made mistake before drafting him and weren't afraid to go BPA which has obviously paid off.

[OpIv37]

Wow, the Titans must have made a huge mistake in getting Chris Johnson when they had just drafted Lendale White and Chris Henry the previous years. They made mistake before drafting him and weren't afraid to go BPA which has obviously paid off.

Lendale White almost ate himself out of the NFL before Chris Johnson lit a fire under his ass.

Oh, and I could be mistaken, but I think the Titans had a couple of All-Pro lineman at the time- some nobody named Matthews or something like that.

Apples to oranges.

[TacklingDummy]

I have to agree with OP....picks like this are the reason why we're never anywhere near playoff contention.
The reason why the Bills are no where near the playoffs is the Quarterback position.

[OpIv37]

One of many, many reasons why the Bills are no where near the playoffs is the Quarterback position.

fixed

[TonyIncredible]

1.Both teams made better coaching choices than we did.

2.And since you're so fond of using Detroit as an example, ask them how drafting an offensive weapon early every season works out...

1. In all fairness though you couldn't say wether sparano would of turned out to be a descent coach or not. Now rex ryan on the other hand...

2. Detroit is moving into being a team rising slowly. They got alot of pieces in place but alot has to also do with the horrible coaching over the years. Just like here they have some good quality players but they just haven't been utilized in the right way. QB position and NT are my biggest of worries at the moment. But I trust Nix and company these guys are more intelligent when it comes to this stuff than DJ and company. If this were DJ we would of grabbed a LB or DB

[TacklingDummy]

fixed


If you disagree with me, fine, but don't put words in my mouth or pretend to know what I'm thinking.

You be surprised what a good QB can do.

Manning makes his line better, Brees makes the Saints defense better.

[hydro]

Lendale White almost ate himself out of the NFL before Chris Johnson lit a fire under his ass.

Oh, and I could be mistaken, but I think the Titans had a couple of All-Pro lineman at the time- some nobody named Matthews or something like that.

Apples to oranges.

And Lynch's off the field behavior is obviously got him out of the good graces with the FO.

BTW, Matthews has been out of the NFL since 2001!!! You sippin on some tequilla dude?

[Mr. Pink]

The reason why the Bills are no where near the playoffs is the Quarterback position.


The main reason the Bills are nowhere near playoff contention is year after year of wasted first round picks.

This is another wasted first round pick.

Good running backs can be found anywhere in the draft and we go out and waste the 9th overall pick on one?

When we already have two guys in the backfield who are more than capable of taking all the carries for the entire season?

I hate Marshawn just as much as you do but he's plenty good enough to get 3-5 carries per game...now the problem is, Lynch has ZERO trade value. He's a third string running back who honestly could be released and it wouldn't matter to this franchise. Don't think other teams don't release that also.

Whether or not he's a bust is immaterial, it's a completely unnecessary pick by a team that is subpar all over the field. If I'm coaching against the Bills I'm putting 9 in the box every play and daring whoever is paraded out there at QB to beat me.

[justasportsfan]

OP, we addressed the OL with Dockery and Walker and that time you we happy we upgraded. How did that turn out ?

[BertSquirtgum]

it was a great pick. get your head out of your arse OP.

[TacklingDummy]

The main reason the Bills are nowhere near playoff contention is year after year of wasted first round picks.

This is another wasted first round pick.

Good running backs can be found anywhere in the draft and we go out and waste the 9th overall pick on one?


I hate taking RB early also. I would have hated the Bulaga or Davis pick even more.

Time will tell if this was a wasted pick. I just hope Spiller is the playmaker the Bills need. Won't mean much right now having Edwards/Fitz and Brohm behind center.

[justasportsfan]

Both teams made better coaching choices than we did.

And since you're so fond of using Detroit as an example, ask them how drafting an offensive weapon early every season works out...

detroit? I used a player more so than detroit.

Since you used Davis as an example, how was Mike williams who was said to be lazy and overweight too?

[TacklingDummy]

OP, we addressed the OL with Dockery and Walker and that time you we happy we upgraded. How did that turn out ?
Who was the QB?

More evidence that it doesn't matter what you do if you don't have a good QB.

[TonyIncredible]

Well just think of it this way: There are hidden gems all over the draft it doesn't matter if you're picked first or last. Sometimes first don't work out their called busts. Sometimes last works out to be playoff contenders and are called gems.

and if you're a fan of the movie the big lebowski just remember these simple words "you're being very un-dude. Nothing is ****ed here dude nothing is ****ed."

[justasportsfan]

Who was the QB?

More evidence that it doesn't matter what you do if you don't have a good QB.

I agree qb was a problem which had a lot to do with coaching. But that OL didn't produce anything after paying them millions.

Other than Bradford however, there isn't a clear cut franchise qb in this draft.

[DraftBoy]

I do love the arguments you are making regarding a player you probably have little to no idea about in Anthony Davis. Please continue to entertain me.

[Mahdi]

In 2004, we used our highest draft pick on WR Lee Evans. In 2005, we used our highest draft pick (2nd round, 55 overall) on WR Roscoe Parrish. In 2008, we traded up to select James Hardy early in the 2nd round.

We still need WR's.

In 2004 we drafted JP Losman in the first round. In 2007, we drafted Trent Edwards in the 3rd round.

We still need a QB.

In 2003, we drafted RB Wills McGahee in the first round. In 2007, we drafted RB Marshawn Lynch in the first round.

In 2010, we drafted RB CJ Spiller in the first round because we STILL NEED RB's.

Every draft is spent making up for the mistakes of previous drafts. The new FO is continuing the trend. **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.

Oh, and did I mention that one of the best LT's in the draft went one pick AFTER Buffalo? Only the Bills are ****ing ******ed enough to draft RB BEFORE fixing up the OL with a LT. Once again, **** this team and their ****ing incompetence.
The difference between those other years and picks and this year is that Spiller was a top rated player and the best offensive playmaker in the draft.

Those other guys we drafted were just GOOD players we selected high.

[justasportsfan]

I do love the arguments you are making regarding a player you probably have little to no idea about in Anthony Davis. Please continue to entertain me.
who me? Davis may very well be a good player but in terms of being safe with the 9th pick, I'll take a weapon over someone who was rumored to be lazy.

[raphael120]

No OP, the reason why Buffalo drafted terribly is because they reached to draft players at positions of perceived need. BPA is the way to go. Thats how teams land playmakers. I love the Spiller pick.

Yeah, the because whole BPA thing worked reeeeaaal well with Donahoe. We still have the same head of scouting from then, btw.

[Lexwhat]

fixed


OP -- I agree with you to a degree, but I think the CJ Spiller draft pick was a good one. It represented the best value (IMO) that we could've gotten at the #9 pick.

Over the last few drafts, I can name several players that I would have taken instead of the ones we actually took.

--Ngata instead of Whitner.
--Orakpo instead of Maybin.
--Ryan Clady, Branden Albert, Jeff Otah instead of Leodis McKelvin.
--Everette Brown instead of Jairus Byrd (was wrong about this).

If I was drafting this year, I would have considered Spiller, Bulaga, Dan Williams, or Clausen at the #9 pick. Bulaga and D.Williams fell 15-20 spots, while Clausen is still not even drafted. Looks like scouts didn't have any of those 3 other players as top-10 talents.

Looking at how the 1st round played out, I think Spiller was a spectacular pick.

Buddy Nix's Quotes put things in perspective:
"We are void of big playmakers..."

"Need is important, but it had to be a guy who can come in here and start immediately...we also think we can get those other positions filled later in the draft." (paraphrased)

"To be honest, there's only 1 Spiller."

[twintowers913]

Wow just read this thread and I see the sky is already falling after one pick with this regime. unreal really. No one on the current roster should be safe and I don't care if everyone from it is gone within the next couple years. We got to start bringing in real talent.

[DraftBoy]

who me? Davis may very well be a good player but in terms of being safe with the 9th pick, I'll take a weapon over someone who was rumored to be lazy.

No sorry, OP. I should of specified a "you".

I think the fact that he names the one player who probably has the most bust potential of any player taken in Round 1, is just funny to me.

[psubills62]

I think the part that really brought me over to Spiller's side was the following statistic:

Of his 52 total TD's in college, 21 of them (that's 40.4 % - 4 out of every 10 TD's) were plays of MORE than 50 yards. That is a playmaker.

[TacklingDummy]

The Spiller pick is 100x greater than the Maybin pick.

[Philagape]

Huh? He JUST DID IT TONIGHT. We have a surprisingly good undrafted RB and a decent RB that we just drafted 2 years ago and he's already USING DRAFT PICKS ON THE SAME ******* POSITIONS!

Christ, you can say the other positions aren't Buddy's fault, but this was his first draft pick and he used it to do the same thing: replace a player who was just recently drafted high instead of filling another need.

Then it's the fault of whoever drafted the player who needs to be replaced.

Lynch needs to be replaced. He's done in Buffalo, even if he stays on the roster. Jauron/Levy drafted that punk, so it's their fault.

[Philagape]

it's always the future.

A few years ago, the Jets were 4-12 and the Dolphins were 1-15. The Dolphins won the division the following year, and the Jets made the conf final the year after that.

But for Buffalo, we can never win now. It's ALWAYS about the future, but the future never arrives.

Since the season ended, we lost Butler, Reed and TO, so we're worse at T and WR. We're better at... RB, and that just happened tonight.

How are we building for the future by getting better at -1 positions?

Under what scenario would Buffalo have won now?

Who could they have drafted that would make such a greater difference as far as winning now?

If they aren't going to win now under any circumstances, then so what if Spiller doesn't have an improved line THIS YEAR? What difference does it make?

How can they win now by sticking with the crap they inherited?

The best way to win is to clean up the inherited mess, and a big piece of that is replacing Lynch with Spiller.

[bigbry]

You guys went BPA, period.
Lucky for you he is a great RB.
However, you didn't draft priority.....OL. Which sooner or later will be the demise of your BPA.

[Philagape]

You guys went BPA, period.
Lucky for you he is a great RB.
However, you didn't draft priority.....OL. Which sooner or later will be the demise of your BPA.

Which players are taken in which rounds should be according to the talent of the player, not the priority of needs.
Second- and third-round picks can fill needs, too.

I would have loved Bulaga, but in hindsight, considering where he went, he would have been a Whitner pick. Same for Dan Williams.

[bigbry]

Which players are taken in which rounds should be according to the talent of the player, not the priority of needs.
Second- and third-round picks can fill needs, too.

I would have loved Bulaga, but in hindsight, considering where he went, he would have been a Whitner pick. Same for Dan Williams.


Just filling needs opposed to fixing a problem are far apart.
The Bills should of been drafting OL starters for the last few years, then Spiller would of dominated...DOMINATED!

But there is always hope for mid-round OL gem.

[Philagape]

Just filling needs opposed to fixing a problem are far apart.
The Bills should of been drafting OL starters for the last few years, then Spiller would of dominated...DOMINATED!

But there is always hope for mid-round OL gem.

As well as the next draft or two.
And they did get two starters last year.

Plus, with a back like Spiller, he's a home-run threat in space on the outside. If there's one thing the Bills' line can do well already, it's pull to the outside.
The run blocking hasn't been bad at all. If Fred Jackson can average 4.5 a pop behind it, imagine what Spiller can do.

[billz83]

I think the part that really brought me over to Spiller's side was the following statistic:

Of his 52 total TD's in college, 21 of them (that's 40.4 % - 4 out of every 10 TD's) were plays of MORE than 50 yards. That is a playmaker.

LOVE that stat! finally a playmaker on the offense!

[Johnny Bugmenot]

But there is always hope for mid-round OL gem. With due respect, the mid-rounds are talent wastelands. You've really got a much better shot at finding a gem in the later rounds than you do in round 3 or 4. Round 4, you're still picking conventional talent, which continues to deteriorate as the best players got snatched up in the first three. It's not until round 5 or 6 that the unconventional players most likely to be gems get a second look.

[TacklingDummy]

With due respect, the mid-rounds are talent wastelands.
Drew Brees plays behind a line made up of 1 second rounder, and a bunch of 3,4,5 rounders.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Yet wasn't the Saints' strength defense? That, and the fact they play in a dome.

One other thing: guards are usually drafted later anyway-- it's one of the few positions that can be found in the mid-rounds. The Bills aren't looking for guards, they're looking for tackles.

[TacklingDummy]

Yet wasn't the Saints' strength defense? .
Sarcasm?

[BuffaloBlakely14]

Just filling needs opposed to fixing a problem are far apart.
The Bills should of been drafting OL starters for the last few years, then Spiller would of dominated...DOMINATED!

But there is always hope for mid-round OL gem.


2nd and 3rd Round players are not mid round gems, we can still grab a day 1 starter in rounds 2 and 3. Even 4-7 can yield that "mid round" gem.

[Historian]

Or a CB, you would have brought up McFumbles.

I got coffee up my nose on that one, TD...thanks a lot!

:rofl:

[Historian]

it's always the future.

A few years ago, the Jets were 4-12 and the Dolphins were 1-15. The Dolphins won the division the following year, and the Jets made the conf final the year after that.

But for Buffalo, we can never win now. It's ALWAYS about the future, but the future never arrives.

Since the season ended, we lost Butler, Reed and TO, so we're worse at T and WR. We're better at... RB, and that just happened tonight.

How are we building for the future by getting better at -1 positions?

OP, it's fine if you don't like the pick....but now you're beginning to channel WYS.

That scares me.

[jamze132]

OP, it's fine if you don't like the pick....but now you're beginning to channel WYS.

That scares me.
Say it ain't so.

[Mahdi]

Sarcasm?
I hope so.

[OpIv37]

OP, it's fine if you don't like the pick....but now you're beginning to channel WYS.

That scares me.

Too bad Wys was right about 90% of the stuff he said....

[OpIv37]

Under what scenario would Buffalo have won now?

Who could they have drafted that would make such a greater difference as far as winning now?

If they aren't going to win now under any circumstances, then so what if Spiller doesn't have an improved line THIS YEAR? What difference does it make?

How can they win now by sticking with the crap they inherited?

The best way to win is to clean up the inherited mess, and a big piece of that is replacing Lynch with Spiller.

And do NOTHING about the rest of the mess they inherited? That makes no sense whatsoever.

You MIGHT have a point if they had upgraded even ONE position in FA, but they didn't. It's like there's a huge car wreck and they're sweeping the broken glass off the pavement before they're trying to get the injured people out of the car.

[Philagape]

And do NOTHING about the rest of the mess they inherited? That makes no sense whatsoever.

You MIGHT have a point if they had upgraded even ONE position in FA, but they didn't. It's like there's a huge car wreck and they're sweeping the broken glass off the pavement before they're trying to get the injured people out of the car.

There are two or more more rounds today where they can get starters. They got FIVE starters in last year's draft.

And even if they don't, then not doing enough to address the other needs is fair game for anger, but that's a separate issue from the Spiller pick.

[Dr. Lecter]

And do NOTHING about the rest of the mess they inherited? That makes no sense whatsoever.

You MIGHT have a point if they had upgraded even ONE position in FA, but they didn't. It's like there's a huge car wreck and they're sweeping the broken glass off the pavement before they're trying to get the injured people out of the car.

They did upgrade DE and ILB. Not great players, but Edwards and Davis are upgrades.

[OpIv37]

There are two or more more rounds today where they can get starters. They got FIVE starters in last year's draft.

And even if they don't, then not doing enough to address the other needs is fair game for anger, but that's a separate issue from the Spiller pick.

We didn't get 5 starters in last year's draft.

We got a bunch of guys who started because we had no one else.

My whole issue with the pick isn't Spiller himself- I'm sure the guy has talent. But a) his talent will be wasted behind a horrible OL and b) it came at the opportunity cost of filling a position of greater need.

[TacklingDummy]

Too bad Wys was right about 90% of the stuff he said....
He promoted Travis Brown, Rob Johnson, and Shawn Bryson that I remember.

[OpIv37]

They did upgrade DE and ILB. Not great players, but Edwards and Davis are upgrades.

They're only upgrades because we're switching to the 3-4. Those guys in the 3-4 vs the guys we had in the C2 are pretty much a wash.

Don't get me wrong- I like the moves because we need all the 3-4 experience we can get, and maybe they can help some of the younger guys on our D learn the new system. But I think it's a stretch to say we "upgraded" those positions with those two.

[DraftBoy]

We didn't get 5 starters in last year's draft.

We got a bunch of guys who started because we had no one else.

My whole issue with the pick isn't Spiller himself- I'm sure the guy has talent. But a) his talent will be wasted behind a horrible OL and b) it came at the opportunity cost of filling a position of greater need.

Can you please breakdown the dominant Clemson OL?? You keep making this point about him being wasted behind a bad OL without even bothering to consider that he didn't have a great OL at Clemson either and he sure as hell made a lot of noise there.

[Historian]

We got a bunch of guys who started because we had no one else.

.

Okay...now that's a WYSian argument!

;)

[TacklingDummy]

My whole issue with the pick isn't Spiller himself- I'm sure the guy has talent. But a) his talent will be wasted behind a horrible OL and b) it came at the opportunity cost of filling a position of greater need.

A) There still plenty of draft left. Good o-linemen are not only found in round 1. Fact is the Saints don't have a 1st round linemen on their team. Worked out well for them.

B) Running Back was a need. Not a bigger need than QB or WR but it was still a need. Should the Bills have reached on Tebow to fill the QB need?

[OpIv37]

Can you please breakdown the dominant Clemson OL?? You keep making this point about him being wasted behind a bad OL without even bothering to consider that he didn't have a great OL at Clemson either and he sure as hell made a lot of noise there.

He didn't have to play against the Jets, Dolphins or Patriots' D's at Clemson, now did he?

[Philagape]

We didn't get 5 starters in last year's draft.

We got a bunch of guys who started because we had no one else.

My whole issue with the pick isn't Spiller himself- I'm sure the guy has talent. But a) his talent will be wasted behind a horrible OL and b) it came at the opportunity cost of filling a position of greater need.

They can still improve the O-line, and even if they don't this year, it's a safe bet that it won't be the same next year. Like I said, they aren't going to win now under any circumstances, which you didn't dispute, so what's the rush?

A need for a playmaker was as great as anything else. Spiller is instantly the most talented player on the Bills and gives them something they haven't had in years.

[OpIv37]

A) There still plenty of draft left. Good o-linemen are not only found in round 1. Fact is the Saints don't have a 1st round linemen on their team. Worked out well for them.

B) Running Back was a need. Not a bigger need than QB or WR but it was still a need. Should the Bills have reached on Tebow to fill the QB need?

You are nuts if you think we are going to adequately address all the holes- or even half of them- on this team from round 2 on.

[OpIv37]

They can still improve the O-line, and even if they don't this year, it's a safe bet that it won't be the same next year. Like I said, they aren't going to win now under any circumstances, which you didn't dispute, so what's the rush?

A need for a playmaker was as great as anything else. Spiller is instantly the most talented player on the Bills and gives them something they haven't had in years.

And what's going to happen when he's injured by week 4 because the OL can't protect him? It doesn't make sense to spend resources on skill positions when the lines are garbage. This team has proven it time and time again.

[Philagape]

You are nuts if you think we are going to adequately address all the holes- or even half of them- on this team from round 2 on.

They weren't going to do that anyway, so that's a moot point.

[Dr. Lecter]

We didn't get 5 starters in last year's draft.

We got a bunch of guys who started because we had no one else.

My whole issue with the pick isn't Spiller himself- I'm sure the guy has talent. But a) his talent will be wasted behind a horrible OL and b) it came at the opportunity cost of filling a position of greater need.

Oh come on.

Byrd only started because they had nobody else? Wood? Levitre?

Really? All three had good to outstanding rookie years.


Last year they reached in the first round to address their biggest need.

The Bills problem has not been drafting BPA, it has been drafting the wrong players. Reaching for need can lead to Tavares Tillman, JP Losman and Aaron Maybin (who still might work out, but did not last year).

[DraftBoy]

He didn't have to play against the Jets, Dolphins or Patriots' D's at Clemson, now did he?

You're going to answer a question with a question...wow now that's Wys to a T.

So in summation, you have absolutely no idea what kind of line he played behind in Clemson. Classic!

Nobody said he wasn't going to have issues against better competition, that's basically a given (but thank you for pointing out the obvious for us all). The point is that a player like Spiller is rare, in that he can create for himself. Yes of course blocking will only help him but he has the hips, speed, and vision to make players miss and to some degree make up for poor blocking, so any argument that he will be wasted behind a bad OL is to this point fruitless and goes completely against what he has done thus far in his career.

[OpIv37]

Oh come on.

Byrd only started because they had nobody else? Wood? Levitre?

Really? All three had good to outstanding rookie years.


Last year they reached in the first round to address their biggest need.

The Bills problem has not been drafting BPA, it has been drafting the wrong players. Reaching for need can lead to Tavares Tillman, JP Losman and Aaron Maybin (who still might work out, but did not last year).

Levite and Wood had decent rookie years. This board has been overrating them for far too long, because they were rookies who didn't completely suck. The only one who was really all that great was Byrd.

Maybin's a terrible example because they would have been all set if they had taken Orakpo. The problem wasn't a reach- it was just a terrible pick.

[OpIv37]

You're going to answer a question with a question...wow now that's Wys to a T.

So in summation, you have absolutely no idea what kind of line he played behind in Clemson. Classic!

Nobody said he wasn't going to have issues against better competition, that's basically a given (but thank you for pointing out the obvious for us all). The point is that a player like Spiller is rare, in that he can create for himself. Yes of course blocking will only help him but he has the hips, speed, and vision to make players miss and to some degree make up for poor blocking, so any argument that he will be wasted behind a bad OL is to this point fruitless and goes completely against what he has done thus far in his career.

Keep telling yourself that. You'll see what happens when the games start.

[Philagape]

And what's going to happen when he's injured by week 4 because the OL can't protect him? It doesn't make sense to spend resources on skill positions when the lines are garbage. This team has proven it time and time again.

This team hasn't had a Spiller.
Running backs get injured on every team. Bringing up injuries is just looking for a negative argument, and it's a reach. Especially since the line isn't as bad as you're making it out to be in the run game. Jackson played every game last year, and if he can average 4.5 a carry, imagine what Spiller can do. A playmaker like Spiller doesn't need blocking like Jackson does. Just put him in space on the outside, and he'll make things happen.

[Dr. Lecter]

Levite and Wood had decent rookie years. This board has been overrating them for far too long, because they were rookies who didn't completely suck. The only one who was really all that great was Byrd.

Maybin's a terrible example because they would have been all set if they had taken Orakpo. The problem wasn't a reach- it was just a terrible pick.

Wood was damn good. He was more than "didn't suck". Levitre started off shaky and got much better as the year went on and that was with changin positions through the year.

And Maybin is a great example especially since the guy you wanted, Davis, is similar to Maybin - somebody not ready to start and play.

[DraftBoy]

Keep telling yourself that. You'll see what happens when the games start.

I dont have to tell myself anything, there are these things called tape that tell me plenty about how a guy plays.


At what point will you be scheduling your meal of crow??

[Historian]

He didn't have to play against the Jets, Dolphins or Patriots' D's at Clemson, now did he?

sigh.....

[OpIv37]

I dont have to tell myself anything, there are these things called tape that tell me plenty about how a guy plays.


At what point will you be scheduling your meal of crow??

Yeah... that's what people said to me after the Maybin pick, and the Trent Edwards pick, and the Donte Whitner pick.....

[DraftBoy]

Yeah... that's what people said to me after the Maybin pick, and the Trent Edwards pick, and the Donte Whitner pick.....

And I care about what other people said because??

[OpIv37]

And I care about what other people said because??

All I'm saying is that people on this board think I like to complain for the sake of complaining- that I'm just some depressed, negative person with nothing better to do than ***** on message boards.

But the reality is that I'm right a hell of a lot more than I'm wrong. So go ahead and doubt, and go ahead and compare the defenses Clemson faced with NFL defenses, or do whatever you need to do to convince yourself that I'm wrong. The reality is that this pick is the proverbial band-aid on cancer, and as usual, you people will see it when the time comes.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Why are you people playing into this guys little routine.

Bills make a move.
Op explains to us why it was bad and why we are idiots for not realizing it.
Rinse and Repeat..

It is a tired tired act..... :puke:

[OpIv37]

Why are you people playing into this guys little routine.

Bills make a move.
Op explains to us why it was bad and why we are idiots for not realizing it.
Op's explanation was accurate and the team ends up sucking again
Rinse and Repeat..



fixed.

[justasportsfan]

All I'm saying is that people on this board think I like to complain for the sake of complaining- that I'm just some depressed, negative person with nothing better to do than ***** on message boards.

.

no we don't

:whistling

[tat2dmike77]

OP did you decide that if the Bills didn't get the guy you wanted at #9 you were going to hate the pick?

I'm not jumping up and down for the pick but look at the reach by JAX and DEN if Buf would of done either of those two moves you would be screaming and throwing a temper tantrum.

Oh and nobody cares about how many times you were right. If your talent evaluation skills are that dead on get a job in the NFL.

[Dr. Lecter]

Yeah... that's what people said to me after the Maybin pick, and the Trent Edwards pick, and the Donte Whitner pick.....

And the Byrd pick.......

BTW, many were upset with the Maybin pick. You were not alone. And many thought Whitner was too early for him, so you were not alone.

Trent was a 3rd round pick. Not many expected great things from him.

[madness]

Yeah... that's what people said to me after the Maybin pick, and the Trent Edwards pick, and the Donte Whitner pick.....

If we passed on Spiller that's exactly who'd we be drafting. Either a reach or a player playing the wrong position.

[OpIv37]

If we passed on Spiller that's exactly who'd we be drafting. Either a reach or a player playing the wrong position.

Or we could just draft a player at a position that's relatively set (compared to at least 4 other positions) and put him in a position to fail behind a crappy OL. That makes perfect sense.

[hydro]

Op is getting severely owned in this thread. I love it!

[OpIv37]

Op is getting severely owned in this thread. I love it!

wait and see my friend... just wait and see....

[THATHURMANATOR]

Or we could just draft a player at a position that's relatively set (compared to at least 4 other positions) and put him in a position to fail behind a crappy OL. That makes perfect sense.
Yeah an Undrafted Running back named Fred Jackson had no room to run behind that line.... I think he only rushed for 1000 yards..... :shakeno:

[THATHURMANATOR]

wait and see my friend... just wait and see....
No need to wait we can already plainly see you were destroyed in this thread.....

[OpIv37]

Yeah an Undrafted Running back named Fred Jackson had no room to run behind that line.... I think he only rushed for 1000 yards..... :shakeno:

We already went over this.

1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. There's nothing special about that milestone.

[madness]

Or we could just draft a player at a position that's relatively set (compared to at least 4 other positions) and put him in a position to fail behind a crappy OL. That makes perfect sense.

Spiller did the exact opposite behind a crappy OL in college. Who's the pick then? You think you can just shout from the rooftops and teams will just come willing to trade up? It doesn't work that way. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

Spiller was the only player in this draft to score a TD in every single game last year. Please tell me the last time the Buffalo Bills had a player that was a threat to go the distance every time he touched the ball no matter where he was on the field.

[OpIv37]

No need to wait we can already plainly see you were destroyed in this thread.....

I was?

We still don't have an OL.

We still don't have an NT.

We still don't have a QB.

We still need help at LB and DE....


And we drafted a player in the first round, at the same position that we just drafted in the first round 3 years ago. This team is constantly spinning their wheels because they're constantly replacing the same positions instead of moving ahead in other areas.

Go ahead- fool yourself into thinking RB was the way to go any way you want. But the result is that this team is going nowhere fast, and just like every previous year, you will see when the games start.

I'm done with this thread- the argument is going in circles now.

I've made my case- just wait and see.

[THATHURMANATOR]

We already went over this.

1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. There's nothing special about that milestone.
He split time. GO OVER THAT.

[THATHURMANATOR]

YPC 4.5 WHAT NOW OP?

[Canadian'eh!]

OP, I understand, but this isn't like the other regimes. These guys took the best player on the board and possibly the draft. I cannot fault them for that.

Really? I'd say this is pretty much EXACTLY like the last regime. just a rebranding of the same garbage.

The only difference is they changed some titles and you are all buying into the idea that they are somehow better.

in 4 years we'll be in a same situation having the same ****ing conversation.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I was?


You were. Apologize to the good people of the zone for wasting their time and we can move forward... Stop prolonging this destruction.

[Philagape]

We already went over this.

1000 yards a season is 62.5 yards a game. There's nothing special about that milestone.

He did that as a part-time player for a good chunk of the year. The more telling stat is 4.5 yards per carry. If Fred can do that, Spiller can explode.
The line CAN run block. In rushing YPC, the Bills were tied for eighth-best in the league, and Lynch held them back.

[THATHURMANATOR]

He did that as a part-time player for a good chunk of the year. The more telling stat is 4.5 yards per carry. If Fred can do that, Spiller can explode.
The line CAN run block. In rushing YPC, the Bills were tied for eighth-best in the league, and Lynch held them back.
Op:
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[Philagape]

Go ahead- fool yourself into thinking RB was the way to go any way you want. But the result is that this team is going nowhere fast, and just like every previous year, you will see when the games start.

You will never get it as long as you keep talking position and not player.

The Bills did not go RB. The Bills went CJ Spiller.

[Canadian'eh!]

He did that as a part-time player for a good chunk of the year. The more telling stat is 4.5 yards per carry. If Fred can do that, Spiller can explode.
The line CAN run block. In rushing YPC, the Bills were tied for eighth-best in the league, and Lynch held them back.

Didn't you just prove the point that Fred was more than good enough, and that they didn't need a RB.

Spiller is NOT the next AD. He's another guy who saw his stock climb AFTER the season.... always a great sign.

[madness]

A broken record eventually gets turned off. Please answer this.


Please tell me the last time the Buffalo Bills had a player that was a threat to go the distance every time he touched the ball no matter where he was on the field.

[OpIv37]

A broken record eventually gets turned off. Please answer this.

I've answered it, but since someone is incapable of reading the thread: NO PLAYER IS A THREAT TO GO THE DISTANCE BEHIND THIS CRAPPY OL.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Didn't you just prove the point that Fred was more than good enough, and that they didn't need a RB.

Spiller is NOT the next AD. He's another guy who saw his stock climb AFTER the season.... always a great sign.
Well when you phrase it that way I suppose we did just do that.... :ill:

He was amazing in season though.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I've answered it, but since someone is incapable of reading the thread: NO PLAYER IS A THREAT TO GO THE DISTANCE BEHIND THIS CRAPPY OL.
What a cop out!!!! Hilarious.

[Philagape]

Didn't you just prove the point that Fred was more than good enough, and that they didn't need a RB.

The Bills also scored six rushing touchdowns all year, tied for third-worst. HUGE need.
Spiller brings a threat that Fred can never dream of. He transforms the offense. He is instantly the best player on the team.

[Philagape]

I've answered it, but since someone is incapable of reading the thread: NO PLAYER IS A THREAT TO GO THE DISTANCE BEHIND THIS CRAPPY OL.

AND I SHOWED YOU THAT THE LINE IS NOT CRAPPY.

Lynch was crappy.

[Canadian'eh!]

Well when you phrase it that way I suppose we did just do that.... :ill:

He was amazing in season though.

Honeslty, I don't know much about Spiller.... But I know we've drafted a LOT of guys who were SUPPOSED to be a threat to go the distance on every play.

McGahee, Lynch, TO, Parrish....

All these guys were SUPPOSED to do that same thing... and they never turned out to be that.....

I'm a bit sick of the "we need a playmaker" crap. We need a lot of things... including the fundamentals on the lines and D.

Spiller is another flashy pick, but this team NEEDS boring.

[zone]

I was?

We still don't have an OL.

We still don't have an NT.

We still don't have a QB.

We still need help at LB and DE....


And we drafted a player in the first round, at the same position that we just drafted in the first round 3 years ago. This team is constantly spinning their wheels because they're constantly replacing the same positions instead of moving ahead in other areas.

Go ahead- fool yourself into thinking RB was the way to go any way you want. But the result is that this team is going nowhere fast, and just like every previous year, you will see when the games start.

I'm done with this thread- the argument is going in circles now.

I've made my case- just wait and see.
Only one round has gone by, your argument would be the exact same minus one of these if we took a position of need.

So if we reached for OL. Then you say "I can't believe we drafted Buluga at 9, his arms are way to short how and who is he suppose to block for?"

We still don't have a QB.

We still don't have an NT.

We still need help at LB and DE....

We still don't have any play makers.

[Canadian'eh!]

The Bills also scored six rushing touchdowns all year, tied for third-worst. HUGE need.
Spiller brings a threat that Fred can never dream of. He transforms the offense. He is instantly the best player on the team.

So.... the line didn't block well enough to score TD's?

And how did it do in pass protection?

GIve me a break... If you are going to argue that the Line is fine,. then you have no credibility at all.

[mikemac2001]

And we didn't reach on a player can still get a solid ot or dt in 2nd
3rd get best ot or nt

trade for Campbell and sign Garcia cut Trent and fitz and let brohm Campbell and Garcia battle it out

Hopefully trade lynch to Seattle or Houston for an extra pick

[Nighthawk]

Didn't you just prove the point that Fred was more than good enough, and that they didn't need a RB.

Spiller is NOT the next AD. He's another guy who saw his stock climb AFTER the season.... always a great sign.

Wow, you just totally lost any credibility with this part. Spiller has been hyped and noticed as a big time player most of his college career.

You Sir, have FAILED!

[Canadian'eh!]

Only one round has gone by, your argument would be the exact same minus one of these if we took a position of need.

So if we reached for OL. Then you say "I can't believe we drafted Buluga at 9, his arms are way to short how and who is he suppose to block for?"

We still don't have a QB.

We still don't have an NT.

We still need help at LB and DE....

We still don't have any play makers.

UNfair.. I've seen Op praise a pick before... don't try to turn it into a "you'd hate every pick" thing... that's not true.

[Canadian'eh!]

And we didn't reach on a player can still get a solid ot or dt in 2nd
3rd get best ot or nt

trade for Campbell and sign Garcia cut Trent and fitz and let brohm Campbell and Garcia battle it out

Hopefully trade lynch to Seattle or Houston for an extra pick


what?

You realize Campbell sucks right? Why do you think Garcia is available, and has been for 3-4 years? Brohm was a waiver pickup for christ's sakes...

jesus.

[Philagape]

So.... the line didn't block well enough to score TD's?

And how did it do in pass protection?

GIve me a break... If you are going to argue that the Line is fine,. then you have no credibility at all.

The line did OK in run blocking, with room for improvement. The problem was Lynch.

Not to mention the disaster of a passing game held the offense back from the end zone as well. That wasn't going to be fixed this year in any case.
Now the playmaking ability of the offense is hugely upgraded in the only way it could have been.

Pass protection is a separate issue. That's a need as well. A couple of capable tackles are still on the board.

[Canadian'eh!]

Wow, you just totally lost any credibility with this part. Spiller has been hyped and noticed as a big time player most of his college career.

You Sir, have FAILED!


Oh yeah... they've been just pining for the day he came out... just like AD and Reggie... it was all about SPiller for 3 years.

[Nighthawk]

Oh yeah... they've been just pining for the day he came out... just like AD and Reggie... it was all about SPiller for 3 years.

Umm, you don't watch any college football...do you? I really don't need to argue this point with you...you're doing a great job for me!

[Canadian'eh!]

The line did OK in run blocking, with room for improvement. The problem was Lynch.

Pass protection is a separate issue. That's a need as well. A couple of capable tackles are still on the board.


Change your tune much....?

So.. do we need an OL or not? Are we gonna draft a separate Pass protection line now? run them in on passing plays?
It's a need if they can't do both parts....

[madness]

What a cop out!!!! Hilarious.

Huge cop out!

[TedMock]

I think it was the right pick and a great pick. Had Brandon and Jauron been picking we would have taken Bulaga or Davis because they were needs. They would have been a reach, but they were needs and people would complain that the team always goes after needs in the first round instead of guys who are difference makers. Forget that this drafted is loaded with OL and DL and that guys in the 4th and 5th rounds will be regular contributors this year. Let's reach for a need and grab a guy in the lower rounds who isn't explosive or has no future chance of starting when other players leave. I'm glad we changed it up and I'm glad Jauron and Brandon aren't here. But, hey, that's just me. I do not miss business as usual in the first round. This is a brand new regime anyway, so to blame them for anything else is moot. It doesn't matter. Nothing in Buffalo prior to last night matters one bit. Nix, Whaley, and Gailey have their own track records. Those are all that matter. I just don't understand how Spiller, the absolute best player on the board, who was not a reach, who had a high stock long before the combine, who could be a game breaker, and who was picked knowing darn well that the draft is deep on the lines, could be a bad pick. I respect everybody's opinion. I am just baffled that anybody would be upset by the pick. I love Fred Jackson. I think he's the best backup in the league. He could be a starter and platoon now with a game changer, but he is not a full load guy. I like Lynch, but he's one mistake away from a year long suspension and speculation is that he wants to be traded. He wants a fresh start and I can respect that. Even if we keep them all - Jackson will be 30 and is a slasher, Lynch runs more of a power-style, Spiller runs a 4.36 and is more explosive. They even all compliment eachother well. Spiller also has better vision than Lynch and Jackson. We upgraded whether or not it was our top need. We are better at RB today. That's not a bad thing.

[Canadian'eh!]

The line did OK in run blocking, with room for improvement. The problem was Lynch.

Not to mention the disaster of a passing game held the offense back from the end zone as well. That wasn't going to be fixed this year in any case.
Now the playmaking ability of the offense is hugely upgraded in the only way it could have been.

Pass protection is a separate issue. That's a need as well. A couple of capable tackles are still on the board.

Dez Bryant?
Playmaker? yes
Offense? yes
Need? yes

He has baggage issues, but he still fits better than SPiller.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Honeslty, I don't know much about Spiller.... But I know we've drafted a LOT of guys who were SUPPOSED to be a threat to go the distance on every play.

McGahee, Lynch, TO, Parrish....

All these guys were SUPPOSED to do that same thing... and they never turned out to be that.....

I'm a bit sick of the "we need a playmaker" crap. We need a lot of things... including the fundamentals on the lines and D.

Spiller is another flashy pick, but this team NEEDS boring.
McGahee was that type of player before his horrific Knee injury. He never regained that form.

Lynch was NEVER touted as a homerun threat.

Didn't TO have a 99 yard TD this year?

Parrish has how many 50 plus yard TDs??? (although I hated the Parrish Pick)

[Canadian'eh!]

McGahee was that type of player before his horrific Knee injury. He never regained that form.

Lynch was NEVER touted as a homerun threat.

Didn't TO have a 99 yard TD this year?

Parrish has how many 50 plus yard TDs??? (although I hated the Parrish Pick)

But they were all "SOLD" to us as being this huge homerun threat we need... NONE of them were. All of them are gone.

[THATHURMANATOR]

But they were all "SOLD" to us as being this huge homerun threat we need... NONE of them were. All of them are gone.
I don't think they did honestly. Especially Lynch.

McGhahee was always sold with the notion that they didn't know if he would regain form.

Parrish was just a reach return man

TO delivered but we couldn't get him the ball.

[justasportsfan]

wait and see my friend... just wait and see....
wait and see what? That we are going to suck this year? I expect us to.

We shall see who will have a bigger impact. Spiller or Davis.

[zone]

UNfair.. I've seen Op praise a pick before... don't try to turn it into a "you'd hate every pick" thing... that's not true.
The point was he listed 5 needs that we "still" have after the first round.

News flash, we only had one pick you can't solve 5 positions with 1 pick and to judge that we won't before even seeing the rest of the draft is a bit premature.

[Philagape]

Change your tune much....?

So.. do we need an OL or not? Are we gonna draft a separate Pass protection line now? run them in on passing plays?
It's a need if they can't do both parts....

Simple-minded much?

All the Bills' needs were not going to be filled this year NO MATTER WHAT. They have to pick and choose, and the best way to do that is to draft the best players.
The ability to score touchdowns is a major need. One of the causes of that need is no playmakers, just as much as any other need. Spiller is WAY better than any lineman available at #9, therefore he will address a need better than anyone else at #9 could have.

It's the anti-Spiller people who are changing their tune.
"The run blocking sucks!"
No it doesn't.
"uh uh uh the pass protection sucks!"

[Canadian'eh!]

I don't think they did honestly. Especially Lynch.

McGhahee was always sold with the notion that they didn't know if he would regain form.

Parrish was just a reach return man

TO delivered but we couldn't get him the ball.

McGahee was sold as a steal that would def get back to being the killer RB he was before.

You don't draft a PR in round 2. They sold him as a homerun threat everytime he touches the ball (which would be more as he became a great WR too)

TO did NOT deliver. He is/was DONE.

Lynch was supposed to be the "next LT"

They do this every year. dig up the old threads if you don't believe me.

[Philagape]

But they were all "SOLD" to us as being this huge homerun threat we need

No, they weren't.

And they're gone because they're punks. Spiller isn't.

[Canadian'eh!]

The point was he listed 5 needs that we "still" have after the first round.

News flash, we only had one pick you can't solve 5 positions with 1 pick and to judge that we won't before even seeing the rest of the draft is a bit premature.

The problem was... we didn't solve ANY of the 5. not all of them.

[Canadian'eh!]

No, they weren't.

And they're gone because they're punks. Spiller isn't.
Oh yes they were.

give me a break.

[justasportsfan]

McGahee was sold as a steal that would def get back to being the killer RB he was before.

.
nope. Willis was sold as a risk high rewards with injury problems with the hope that he could get back to his college form.

[Canadian'eh!]

Simple-minded much?

All the Bills' needs were not going to be filled this year NO MATTER WHAT. They have to pick and choose, and the best way to do that is to draft the best players.
The ability to score touchdowns is a major need. One of the causes of that need is no playmakers, just as much as any other need. Spiller is WAY better than any lineman available at #9, therefore he will address a need better than anyone else at #9 could have.

It's the anti-Spiller people who are changing their tune.
"The run blocking sucks!"
No it doesn't.
"uh uh uh the pass protection sucks!"


I know this... but we've filled NONE of them now.

ANd I disagree Spiller was better than Anyone we needed....

the goal is also to STOP the other team for scoring touchdowns.

The goal of scoring touchdowns is also more than just the guy with the ball in his hands. it takes 11 guys.

But i'm sure SPiller will just deke/runby/jump over 21 guys (might as well go around ours too) and score TDs.

[Canadian'eh!]

nope. Willis was sold as a risk high rewards with injury problems with the hope that he could get back to his college form.

The Bills and fans took at as all reward.... no one drafts someone under teh belief that it's more risk than reward... not in the 1st ****ing round.

[justasportsfan]

The Bills and fans took at as all reward.... no one drafts someone under teh belief that it's more risk than reward... not in the 1st ****ing round.

I didn't take it as all reward. We knew that Willis was going to sit in his first year.
thats why Donahoe is out of a job. Thats why Dick is back to being a db coach.

[Canadian'eh!]

I didn't take it as all reward. We knew that Willis was going to sit in his first year.
thats why Donahoe is out of a job. Thats why Dick is back to being a db coach.

No.. there are MANY more reasons than that for both of them.

[BillsMan80]

Usually I don't find a huge deal with all this, but here's some important points I think that have to be made.

Regarding Spiller: The guy scored something like 21 of his 51 college touchdowns being for 50 yards or more. I mean, that's just sensational. That's more than just great blocking or great scheming. That comes down to sensational ability and a player who can make some things happen on his own.

For those who wanted a QB: Who did you want, Tim Tebow? Every single other QB is still on the board at this point, so apparently other teams didn't feel like they were worth the picks at this point. Even with a trade down, we would have been taking a Clausen or a McCoy higher than they are going to go. Here we are sitting at 41 and one of those guys still might get to 41. Spiller is a better player and a better value than any of the QBs in this draft. If the Bills take Clausen say at 41, well doesn't Buddy Nix then come off looking like a bandit? Two guys in Round 1 and 2 that people thought would possibly be the pick at 9.

At Offensive Tackle: Anthony Davis is quite possibly the most riskiest pick in this draft whereas Spiller is one of the safest picks in this draft. I'll let Davis go to San Francisco. As for Bulaga, he went at 23. 14 other teams passed on him including teams that certainly could have went Offensive Tackle as well as teams that did go Offensive Tackle like San Francisco. If the Bills end up with either Saffold, Campbell, or Charles Brown at 41, ain't that pretty damn good value getting a guy who is just as good as Bulaga 18 picks later?

At Nose Tackle: Dan Williams, a guy that many people wanted or were projecting at 9 to us, not only didn't go in the Top 10, not only didn't go in the Top 20, but went at freaking 26. Miami was sitting there at 12 with a huge need at Nose Tackle with the aging and suspended Jason Ferguson as the only guy had Dan Williams sitting right in front of them at 12 and still passed and ended up trading down. Guys like Mount Cody and others are still on the board.

OLB/DE: Yeah, we can use some depth there but guys like Kindle and Everson Griffen are still there. This team can find other guys too possibly later like Ricky Sapp and other guys who may even fall to the 3rd Round with this depth.

Overall: Seriously, this team is going to get 2 1st Round caliber players despite not making their 2nd pick until 41. In fact this team will not only get a 1st Round caliber player in the 2nd Round but more than likely a guy who is markedly better than the 41st player in the draft. I couldn't be more pleased right now, seeing as how this team will have better football pllayers come the end of this weekend. This is going to be a process to rebuild this team, and the pieces of the puzzle are being built from the ground up. A guy like Spiller is the first piece.

[Philagape]

Oh yes they were.

give me a break.

Give ME a break.

35-year-old TO a threat to score on every play? Lynch? Insane.

Willis maybe, but he came with massive risks.

[Philagape]

I know this... but we've filled NONE of them now.

ANd I disagree Spiller was better than Anyone we needed....

the goal is also to STOP the other team for scoring touchdowns.

The goal of scoring touchdowns is also more than just the guy with the ball in his hands. it takes 11 guys.

But i'm sure SPiller will just deke/runby/jump over 21 guys (might as well go around ours too) and score TDs.

Who was a better option at 9?

[Spiderweb]

i wanted to fix the lines, but the way it shook out, spiller was the true talent and a game changer. why reach for an OT when they are still there to some degree.

While I too wanted a big man (OL or DL) there very well have been too huge of a talent difference to pass on Spiller. This isn't a case of taking Whitner over Ngata.....

[TedMock]

While I too wanted a big man (OL or DL) there very well have been too huge of a talent difference to pass on Spiller. This isn't a case of taking Whitner over Ngata.....
I agree. Spiller was BPA. That's where you should always go in the first 3 rounds. Whitner was the typical reach for a need. Everybody was hoping we'd get Huff that year. A lot of the mocks suggested the same. The entire world thought we needed a safety. At the end we reached for Whitner instead of going BPA with Ngata. DT was also a need, but some cosidered it slightly less of a need. I liked the Lynch pick, but he turned out to be a goof & he certainly wasn't BPA. We lost McGahee & had Shaud Williams. Reached for a need. Losman, McCargo - trade up to reach for a need. I would rather trade up for BPA because we really like a guy in our system. McKelvin was actually a good pick at that spot. Dumb luck.

[Oaf]

Way I see it, this is Jarius Byrd circa 2010. Last year, picking the natural-bred playmaker paid off, even with decent safeties already in tow. This will be of the same effect.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

DT was also a need, but some cosidered it slightly less of a need. I recall that DT was generally considered a huge need back then, far bigger than safety was at the time. There were two choices floating around at the time: Ngata and Bunkley. Bunkley turned out to be a bust. Ngata was, and is, a beast.

[HHURRICANE]

Usually I don't find a huge deal with all this, but here's some important points I think that have to be made.

Regarding Spiller: The guy scored something like 21 of his 51 college touchdowns being for 50 yards or more. I mean, that's just sensational. That's more than just great blocking or great scheming. That comes down to sensational ability and a player who can make some things happen on his own.

For those who wanted a QB: Who did you want, Tim Tebow? Every single other QB is still on the board at this point, so apparently other teams didn't feel like they were worth the picks at this point. Even with a trade down, we would have been taking a Clausen or a McCoy higher than they are going to go. Here we are sitting at 41 and one of those guys still might get to 41. Spiller is a better player and a better value than any of the QBs in this draft. If the Bills take Clausen say at 41, well doesn't Buddy Nix then come off looking like a bandit? Two guys in Round 1 and 2 that people thought would possibly be the pick at 9.

At Offensive Tackle: Anthony Davis is quite possibly the most riskiest pick in this draft whereas Spiller is one of the safest picks in this draft. I'll let Davis go to San Francisco. As for Bulaga, he went at 23. 14 other teams passed on him including teams that certainly could have went Offensive Tackle as well as teams that did go Offensive Tackle like San Francisco. If the Bills end up with either Saffold, Campbell, or Charles Brown at 41, ain't that pretty damn good value getting a guy who is just as good as Bulaga 18 picks later?

At Nose Tackle: Dan Williams, a guy that many people wanted or were projecting at 9 to us, not only didn't go in the Top 10, not only didn't go in the Top 20, but went at freaking 26. Miami was sitting there at 12 with a huge need at Nose Tackle with the aging and suspended Jason Ferguson as the only guy had Dan Williams sitting right in front of them at 12 and still passed and ended up trading down. Guys like Mount Cody and others are still on the board.

OLB/DE: Yeah, we can use some depth there but guys like Kindle and Everson Griffen are still there. This team can find other guys too possibly later like Ricky Sapp and other guys who may even fall to the 3rd Round with this depth.

Overall: Seriously, this team is going to get 2 1st Round caliber players despite not making their 2nd pick until 41. In fact this team will not only get a 1st Round caliber player in the 2nd Round but more than likely a guy who is markedly better than the 41st player in the draft. I couldn't be more pleased right now, seeing as how this team will have better football pllayers come the end of this weekend. This is going to be a process to rebuild this team, and the pieces of the puzzle are being built from the ground up. A guy like Spiller is the first piece.

Well written post. Factually accurate as well.

However, I do understand the frustration of not having an oline that's not worth a crap. Sadly, we are so bad that this year is merely a bandaid before major surgery.

[topher180]

Can we move on now? What a player was "sold as" is irrelevant. All that matters is that, in one way or another, said players haven't worked out.

I know discussion is part of a community like this, but it's time for acceptance. We have 6 more picks. Set down your glass of kool aid or stop pissing in someone elses (whichever is most applicable), just for now. Let's see what the entire picture looks like.

[Prov401]

Usually I don't find a huge deal with all this, but here's some important points I think that have to be made.

Regarding Spiller: The guy scored something like 21 of his 51 college touchdowns being for 50 yards or more. I mean, that's just sensational. That's more than just great blocking or great scheming. That comes down to sensational ability and a player who can make some things happen on his own.

For those who wanted a QB: Who did you want, Tim Tebow? Every single other QB is still on the board at this point, so apparently other teams didn't feel like they were worth the picks at this point. Even with a trade down, we would have been taking a Clausen or a McCoy higher than they are going to go. Here we are sitting at 41 and one of those guys still might get to 41. Spiller is a better player and a better value than any of the QBs in this draft. If the Bills take Clausen say at 41, well doesn't Buddy Nix then come off looking like a bandit? Two guys in Round 1 and 2 that people thought would possibly be the pick at 9.

At Offensive Tackle: Anthony Davis is quite possibly the most riskiest pick in this draft whereas Spiller is one of the safest picks in this draft. I'll let Davis go to San Francisco. As for Bulaga, he went at 23. 14 other teams passed on him including teams that certainly could have went Offensive Tackle as well as teams that did go Offensive Tackle like San Francisco. If the Bills end up with either Saffold, Campbell, or Charles Brown at 41, ain't that pretty damn good value getting a guy who is just as good as Bulaga 18 picks later?

At Nose Tackle: Dan Williams, a guy that many people wanted or were projecting at 9 to us, not only didn't go in the Top 10, not only didn't go in the Top 20, but went at freaking 26. Miami was sitting there at 12 with a huge need at Nose Tackle with the aging and suspended Jason Ferguson as the only guy had Dan Williams sitting right in front of them at 12 and still passed and ended up trading down. Guys like Mount Cody and others are still on the board.

OLB/DE: Yeah, we can use some depth there but guys like Kindle and Everson Griffen are still there. This team can find other guys too possibly later like Ricky Sapp and other guys who may even fall to the 3rd Round with this depth.

Overall: Seriously, this team is going to get 2 1st Round caliber players despite not making their 2nd pick until 41. In fact this team will not only get a 1st Round caliber player in the 2nd Round but more than likely a guy who is markedly better than the 41st player in the draft. I couldn't be more pleased right now, seeing as how this team will have better football pllayers come the end of this weekend. This is going to be a process to rebuild this team, and the pieces of the puzzle are being built from the ground up. A guy like Spiller is the first piece.

Great post. Nailed pretty much everything I've been thinking.

One round has passed, and everybody is whining. This draft is crazy deep, and most of the projections for us at number 9, as stated above (Bulaga, Williams, Clausen) went way later, or weren't even drafted. We are going to get another great player in the 2nd round, and essentially have two first rounders. Everybody has praised our pick. Tiki Barber, Marshall Faulk (of whom Spiller reminds me of), Deion Sanders, Mel Kiper, Jon Gruden,...the list can go on, have all expressed their confidence in our decision. Stop with the maxi-pad posts, and realize the Bills just took the most exciting player in the 2010 draft by the widest of margins.