Bills and Browns contact St. Louis for 33

[HAMMER]

Sirius just stated Buffalo and Cleveland are looking to move into St.Louis' 33 pick, for the Pickle or McCoy?

[Michael82]

Please get Colt McCoy! :pray:

[Forward_Lateral]

God I hope not. I hope its for Cody if it's Buffalo.

[RockStar36]

It would have to be for a QB.

I still think Minnesota is a legit threat to take either one, so Buffalo can't sit back at 41 if they really want either guy, or at least Clausen.

[Forward_Lateral]

Please get Colt McCoy! :pray:

Mikey, you got Spiller, now be quiet. McCoy is garbage.

[The King]

Do not let the F'n Browns beat you on this.

[clumping platelets]

#41 and Lynch for #33 and a 7th

use the 7th to add Crayton

I see the plan :D

[Michael82]

Mikey, you got Spiller, now be quiet. McCoy is garbage.
Fine...then let's get Jimmy Clausen! I would be happy with either one!

[Dr. Lecter]

McCoy. Cody. Brown. Saffold. Even Clausen

[Forward_Lateral]

Why? They got their playmaker in Spiller, now get either the best available OT or NT. Anything otherwise is unacceptable, IMO. Claussen doesn't fit Buffalo's offensive plans, and neither does McCoy. A guy like Lefevour in round 3, however, does.

[clumping platelets]

:dizzy:

[DraftBoy]

Don't trade up! Sit back and let the draft come to us, worst thing we can right now imo is be too aggressive.

I dont mind contacting a team but I dont want to lose valuable mid round picks.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Why? They got their playmaker in Spiller, now get either the best available OT or NT. Anything otherwise is unacceptable, IMO. Claussen doesn't fit Buffalo's offensive plans, and neither does McCoy. A guy like Lefevour in round 3, however, does.
Wait please explain how McCoy or Clausen doesn't fit the plan but Lefevour does???

[THATHURMANATOR]

Don't trade up! Sit back and let the draft come to us, worst thing we can right now imo is be too aggressive.

I dont mind contacting a team but I dont want to lose valuable mid round picks.
I do agree with this unless they REALLY have a player rated high and it is their guy. Then they do what they have to and go get him.

[The King]

The Bills actually have an edge in the dealings here since they want to move Lynch, Parrish and maybe even Mitchell.

[Forward_Lateral]

Wait please explain how McCoy or Clausen doesn't fit the plan but Lefevour does???

Because Lefevour ran a spread offense in college and the other two didn't.

[THATHURMANATOR]

The Bills actually have an edge in the dealings here since they want to move Lynch, Parrish and maybe even Mitchell.
Why Would St Louis want any of those guys?

[The King]

I HATE THIS FORMAT FOR THE RECORD!

The Rams can play both teams until the sun goes down.

[methos4ever]

Conflicting Reports though - Schefter said we were in the Tebow Derby, but Buddy responds with no we weren't, and we were going for another guy. Two people at WGR have been on record that we don't want a qb in round 2.

I say let's just wait til 6 and see what happens!

[The King]

Why Would St Louis want any of those guys?To trade or keep. They're frickin terrible.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Because Lefevour ran a spread offense in college and the other two didn't.
What??? That should be an indictment AGAINST getting him. Spread Offense QBs don't translate to the NFL. Gailey doesn't run a spread offense.

[don137]

Lynch would look good in a Rams uniform...Don't want to give up draft picks other than a swap of second rounders plus Lynch...Hope it is for Saffold but would be ok with Claussen/Mccoy

[BillsMan80]

Honestly, I would go for the top lineman here at 41 and sit and look for Jarrett Brown in the 3rd or 4th, a perfect fit for Gailey.

[cpearl]

Charles Brown.

[Dr. Lecter]

Don't trade up! Sit back and let the draft come to us, worst thing we can right now imo is be too aggressive.

I dont mind contacting a team but I dont want to lose valuable mid round picks.

If they move up using a certain 'tarded back they lose no picks.

I tend to agree that there is a lot out there and they can wait, but if the cost is right go for it.

[The King]

What??? That should be an indictment AGAINST getting him. Spread Offense QBs don't translate to the NFL. Gailey doesn't run a spread offense.I think FL just gets excited at the word spread.

[THATHURMANATOR]

If they move up using a certain 'tarded back they lose no picks.

I tend to agree that there is a lot out there and they can wait, but if the cost is right go for it.
Why would St Louis want Lynch?

[HAMMER]

Don't trade up! Sit back and let the draft come to us, worst thing we can right now imo is be too aggressive.

I dont mind contacting a team but I dont want to lose valuable mid round picks.

I agree, I would hate to give up our third and whatever else it takes. There are so many players there that could help immediately. Someone is going to fall to us, Brown, Cody, Saffold, outside shot at Kindle.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I think FL just gets excited at the word spread.
Oh then Carry on FL...

[Forward_Lateral]

What??? That should be an indictment AGAINST getting him. Spread Offense QBs don't translate to the NFL. Gailey doesn't run a spread offense.

Thurm, Gailey runs a spread offense.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Thurm, Gailey runs a spread offense.
I don't believe this is true....

[Forward_Lateral]

Believe what you want, his offense is a version of the spread offense.

[Dr. Lecter]

Why would St Louis want Lynch?

Because I said so.

[HAMMER]

Why would St Louis want Lynch?

It's pretty funny that people think teams are looking to pick up a guy who has been pretty mediocre and is a misstep away from a BIG suspension. They make it sound so easy.

[psubills62]

The Bills actually have an edge in the dealings here since they want to move Lynch, Parrish and maybe even Mitchell.

I would actually think that Kyle Williams and/or Donte Whitner would be the guys they'd look to trade to St. Louis. Rams could use a DT and S. Parrish would be the other guy I'd look to send to St. Louis.

That being said, I agree with DB. Like I stated previously, the end of the first round went perfectly for us. DB's are flying off the board and all the trench players are falling further and further. The chances that a good talent falls to us at #41 are phenomenal.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Believe what you want, his offense is a version of the spread offense.
From what I gathered about Gailey is that he didn't have one set style and he tailors his offense around the talent on the team. I never heard that he ran a variation of the spread offense. Can someone clarify?

[THATHURMANATOR]

It's pretty funny that people think teams are looking to pick up a guy who has been pretty mediocre and is a misstep away from a BIG suspension. They make it sound so easy.
That and they have Stephen Freaking Jackson.

[Forward_Lateral]

He ran the spread offense in Kansas City, the last place he coached before Buffalo.

[Night Train]

I'm betting it's LT Charles Brown

[DraftBoy]

By the way Jason La Canfora basically killed this rumor saying Bills are not inclined to move up at all. They like the mid round QB's more.

[Michael82]

Maybe Buddy Nix is trying to scare some teams into trading up for both Clausen and McCoy, so then one of the top OTs or LBs fall to us at #41..... :scratch:

[psubills62]

By the way Jason La Canfora basically killed this rumor saying Bills are not inclined to move up at all. They like the mid round QB's more.

Thank goodness. If La Canfora is correct, and the Bills don't take a QB in round 2, you have to think they're targeting Skelton in the 3rd.

[DraftBoy]

If they move up using a certain 'tarded back they lose no picks.

I tend to agree that there is a lot out there and they can wait, but if the cost is right go for it.

Nobody wants his dumbass this early, maybe if a RB run happens and somebody gets left out we could move him on Day 3.

[Michael82]

Thank goodness. If La Canfora is correct, and the Bills don't take a QB in round 2, you have to think they're targeting Skelton in the 3rd.
Or LeFevour.

[DraftBoy]

Thank goodness. If La Canfora is correct, and the Bills don't take a QB in round 2, you have to think they're targeting Skelton in the 3rd.

Or later...guys like Crompton, Brown, Robinson and Kafka.

[BillsMan80]

Jarrett Brown please...

[Saratoga Slim]

By the way Jason La Canfora basically killed this rumor saying Bills are not inclined to move up at all. They like the mid round QB's more.

If they don't see a lot of difference b/n the middle rounders like Lefeouver/Skelton and McCoy/Clausen, there sure as hell isn't any reason to go for the higher round guys. I.e.

a) you don't have to give up anything to get Lefeouver/Skelton and
b) you're not as tied to them financially or otherwise if they don't make it.

Thus, if there's not too much a difference, there's every reason to bet on the lower round guy even if he's a slightly higher risk.

[Oaf]

We need two picks today. Any scenario where we get less than two players today is a failure to me.

[Night Train]

We need two picks today. Any scenario where we get less than two players today is a failure to me.

It depends how critical they view the LT position. I'll leave that up to Nix. There are NT's out there well into Saturday.

[malvado78]

From what I gathered about Gailey is that he didn't have one set style and he tailors his offense around the talent on the team. I never heard that he ran a variation of the spread offense. Can someone clarify?
Gailey has been know to tailor an offense for his personnel. Where people are getting "Gailey runs the spread" is when he was working in KC he put together a largely spread offense for Thigpen. This is what Thigpen was used to and he was fairly successful in running it if you ask me. I will ook for a lnk whne I get a chance but this is all from memory on 2+ years ago. Specifically around the time when Thigpen (a nobody) put up 5 multi TD games (as well as 3 multi INT games). I was impressed following him from a Fantasy perspective (we run with 2 starting QB's so anybody serviceable is of help).

I believe this had alot to do with Gailey being able to adjust his offense for the capabilities of his personnel.

FYI KC went 2-14...

We will see what he can do with our scrubs. :pray:

Edit: Here is an article:

Spread Changes Options for Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3717080)


As for the Chiefs, they literally stumbled upon the offense when they had to get Thigpen ready for his second start of the season. He had played so poorly in his first outing, subbing for an injured Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9671) and Damon Huard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1398) -- he threw three interceptions in a 38-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl) -- that Edwards and offensive coordinator Chan Gailey had to brainstorm ways to calm him down. They realized Thigpen always played well in two-minute situations and he'd excelled in the spread as a senior at Coastal Carolina. Given the team's options, they figured it would be a good idea to put him back in that system.


But what has become quite apparent in watching Thigpen's play is that he's at his best when the defense is spread out. When he sits in the shotgun with all those multiple-receiver formations, he can see the field and recognize the blitz better. He's also able to use his mobility when plays break down and has the added confidence that comes with knowing that season-ending injuries to Croyle and Huard have made him the de facto starter.

[ddaryl]

Thank goodness. If La Canfora is correct, and the Bills don't take a QB in round 2, you have to think they're targeting Skelton in the 3rd.

Maybe they aren't targetting anyone at all. This draft is piss weak for QB's and none of the QB's we draft would beat Edwards or Brohm in camp IMO...

Bring in a vet and make the move next year for a real franchise arm

[EDS]

#41 and Lynch for #33 and a 7th

use the 7th to add Crayton

I see the plan :D

Except St. Louis has Steven Jackson.

[psubills62]

Maybe they aren't targetting anyone at all. This draft is piss weak for QB's and none of the QB's we draft would beat Edwards or Brohm in camp IMO...

Bring in a vet and make the move next year for a real franchise arm

I wouldn't mind if they brought in a vet for a year or so. I do think they're going to target one of the QB's in this draft.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Gailey has been know to tailor an offense for his personnel. Where people are getting "Gailey runs the spread" is when he was working in KC he put together a largely spread offense for Thigpen. This is what Thigpen was used to and he was fairly successful in running it if you ask me. I will ook for a lnk whne I get a chance but this is all from memory on 2+ years ago. Specifically around the time when Thigpen (a nobody) put up 5 multi TD games (as well as 3 multi INT games). I was impressed following him from a Fantasy perspective (we run with 2 starting QB's so anybody serviceable is of help).

I believe this had alot to do with Gailey being able to adjust his offense for the capabilities of his personnel.

FYI KC went 2-14...

We will see what he can do with our scrubs. :pray:
So Gailey used a variation of the spread for a portion of 1 season.

[Ron Burgundy]

Or later...guys like Crompton, Brown, Robinson and Kafka.

Crompton in the sixth! And Perriloux as a priority free agent! Bring a brick to hit him with when he ****s up.

What's your feelings on a Mount Cody/Kyle Williams rotation at DT? We all know Terrence is gonna be lucky to play 60-70% of the snaps, but that he'll crush the running lanes when he is in there. Kyle's a scrapper and provides a smidgeon of pass rush from the NT position, hopefully.

[malvado78]

So Gailey used a variation of the spread for a portion of 1 season.

Right I was not saying does or is going to use it. I was saying people are saying he is uses the Spread due to the time he spent in KC. I don't believe we know what he will use. I also believe assuming it will be a variation of the spread is plain wrong.

I think he will look at his personnel and plan around it.

[Zero]

I think its a forgone conclusion that we get a QB now...


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5129354

[ddaryl]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=191064


already posted my friend, and being discussed

[Zero]

Sorry...remove this thread...

[psubills62]

La Canfora says this isn't true.

At this point, it's hard to know what to believe. I'd love to know who all these reporters are using as sources. If ESPN is using the Rams as their sole source, then it's probably obvious that the Rams are trying to raise the price for whoever is actually interested.

[ddaryl]

the depth left on the board should allow the Bills to stay put and grab a good player at a position of need

[Luisito23]

Because I said so.



WTF are you?

[User Manuel]

I think Cody is the pick for the bills in round 2, but i wouldn't be totally shocked to see them make a play to move up for Golden Tate. If nothing else he would be another big play weapon.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Don't want another Josh Reed Type of WR.

[dannyek71]

We are going to trade up and reach for a 7th rounder.

You watch.

[methos4ever]

That and they have Stephen Freaking Jackson.
The confusion stems from him using the spread with Thigpen. He used that offense because Larry went down and he had a QB and running back that were used to it.

On the Steelers and Cowboys he ran a ton of things - most notably the traditional pro I set. So, pidgeonholing him because he adapted the offense for Tyler isn't advisable.

[mysticsoto]

Don't trade up! Sit back and let the draft come to us, worst thing we can right now imo is be too aggressive.

I dont mind contacting a team but I dont want to lose valuable mid round picks.
Agreed 100%. If the Bills are going to build our team through the draft (like they claim and have shown since they haven't done a hell of alot in the offseason) then you need to do something with your draft picks and hit gold...not trade the picks away...

[buffalobillsfan95]

Don't want another Josh Reed Type of WR. because he's small doesn't mean that he will me bad. just look at steve smith

[User Manuel]

He is far faster than Josh Reed and has great hands.

[THATHURMANATOR]

because he's small doesn't mean that he will me bad. just look at steve smith
Is he a burner like Steve Smith?

[mysticsoto]

Or later...guys like Crompton, Brown, Robinson and Kafka.

I like Kafka...in the 5th maybe...

[Ed]

I don't like the idea of trading up with so many good options falling to the 2nd round.

I'm only in favor of trading up if it involves a current player and we don't lose any picks.

[psubills62]

Is he a burner like Steve Smith?

Tate is fast and can take over games. I can't remember who ND was playing, but there was one game where the gameplan on the final drive was throw it to Tate and let him take us down the field.

The guy could be a 10+ catches a game WR with very good speed. I'd love to have him...though I think I'd love to have an LT more.

[Oaf]

It depends how critical they view the LT position. I'll leave that up to Nix. There are NT's out there well into Saturday.
Agreed. I don't know how truly CHIX values our current T's. However, I DO know we have one talent at OLB and no current legitimate starters.

[HAMMER]

We are going to trade up and reach for a 7th rounder.

You watch.

Gimme a break with your constant negativity, why do you bother following the Bills if they make you so miserable?