Official Buffalo Bills UDFA's thread

[The Spaz]

Post the Buffalo Bills UDFA's here.

John Destin, CB, Tulsa
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Donald Jones, WR, Youngstown St.
Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State
Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech
Brett Johnson, S, Cal
Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn
David Nelson, WR, Florida
Dominique Harris, S, Temple
Sean Allen, C/G, ECU
Jorge Guerra, OL, TAMUK
Cordaro Howard, OL, Georgia Tech

[The Spaz]

*

[NOT THE DUDE...]

We need oline depth for camp and some more wrs and lbs along with a few dlineman...

doug worthington would be a nice pick up...

[SquishDaFish]

Wait for Poll

[ddaryl]

I should start the unofficial UFA thread

[The Spaz]

I should start the unofficial UFA thread

:dink:

[YardRat]

We're going to get an eventual starter in this year's UDFA's. Book it.

[BillsWin]

Ryan Gallimore WR Central Oklahoma.

Watch out for this kid. The Dolphins are high on him.

[Night Train]

We need oline depth for camp and some more wrs and lbs along with a few dlineman...

doug worthington would be a nice pick up...

It would be utterly amazing, since he was drafted.

[Jaybird]

let the signings begin

[The Spaz]

We're going to get an eventual starter in this year's UDFA's. Book it.

I wouldn't doubt it with the switch to a 3-4 and the need for depth at WR.

[BillsWin]

What's a good site for following this?

[methos4ever]

Draftdaddy.com has em usually...

[PECKERWOOD]

Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Stafon Johnson, RB, USC
Matt Kopa, OT, Stanford
Shay Hodge, WR, Mississippi
LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
Lindsey Witten, DE, Connecticut
Vince Oghobaase, DE, Duke
Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Denario Alexander, WR, Missouri
Mike Tepper, OT, California
DeMarcus Granger, NT, Oklahoma
Juice Williams, QB/WR, Illinois
Rico McCoy, LB/S, Tennessee

[YardRat]

Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Stafon Johnson, RB, USC
Matt Kopa, OT, Stanford
Shay Hodge, WR, Mississippi
LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
Lindsey Witten, DE, Connecticut
Vince Oghobaase, DE, Duke
Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Denario Alexander, WR, Missouri
Mike Tepper, OT, California
DeMarcus Granger, NT, Oklahoma
Juice Williams, QB/WR, Illinois
lol...I had Warren coming to us in the third in my January Bills mock.


Lindsey Witten, DE, Connecticut
Is that Jason's sister??

[PECKERWOOD]

lol...I had Warren coming to us in the third in my January Bills mock.


Is that Jason's sister??

Whitner's brother, I'm pretty sure.

[T-Long]

Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Stafon Johnson, RB, USC
Matt Kopa, OT, Stanford
Shay Hodge, WR, Mississippi
LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
Lindsey Witten, DE, Connecticut
Vince Oghobaase, DE, Duke
Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Denario Alexander, WR, Missouri
Mike Tepper, OT, California
DeMarcus Granger, NT, Oklahoma
Juice Williams, QB/WR, Illinois
Rico McCoy, LB/S, Tennessee

are those your top available picks?

[PECKERWOOD]

are those your top available picks?

Yes, those are my top picks, although you can probably expect to hear Namaan Roosevelt's name being thrown around as well since he played at UB.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Stafon Johnson, RB, USC
Matt Kopa, OT, Stanford
Shay Hodge, WR, Mississippi
LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon
Lindsey Witten, DE, Connecticut
Vince Oghobaase, DE, Duke
Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Denario Alexander, WR, Missouri
Mike Tepper, OT, California
DeMarcus Granger, NT, Oklahoma
Juice Williams, QB/WR, Illinois
Rico McCoy, LB/S, Tennessee

Tony Washington, T, Albine Christian
Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Jevan Snead, QB, Ole Miss
Aleric Mullens, DT, North Carolina
Scott Long, WR, Louisville
Brandon Carter, G, Texas Tech
Chris Bell, WR, Norfolk State
Jay Ross, DT, East Carolina

[The Spaz]

Yes, those are my top picks, although you can probably expect to hear Namaan Roosevelt's name being thrown around as well since he played at UB.

Warren to the Jets. Please post only Bills UFDA's here thanks.:up::beers:

[Commissioner]

Buddy Nix said in his presser that they already signed a couple DB's that they had draftable grades on.

[T-Long]

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html

[Commissioner]

Tony Washington, T, Albine Christian
Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Jevan Snead, QB, Ole Miss
Aleric Mullens, DT, North Carolina
Scott Long, WR, Louisville
Brandon Carter, G, Texas Tech
Chris Bell, WR, Norfolk State
Jay Ross, DT, East Carolina

I heard the Bills were gonna bring in Roosevelt if he wasn't drafted... kinda as a courtesy thing.

[T-Long]

John Destin, CB, Tulsa

[Barb]

Bills sign

Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo

[T-Long]

Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo

[T-Long]

Donald Jones, WR, Youngstown St.

[The Spaz]

John Destin

http://www.tulsahurricane.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/destin_john00.html

Donald Jones

http://www.ysusports.com/football/bios/jones.htm

Naaman Roosevelt

http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/football/roster/roosevelt.shtml

[Slim]

Very happy we got Roosevelt.

[mysticsoto]

Don't like Ciron Black. QB Snead would be nice if someone doesn't snatch him 1st...

I think we should get a Guard or two for our PS also. Wood may not be ready at the start of the season...

[Ferrygoat]

Joique Bell RB, Wayne State

[methos4ever]

DB should be happy with Bell picked up!

[DraftBoy]

Joique Bell signing is ****ING AWESOME!! That is freaking sweet as hell!!

[Ferrygoat]

Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech

[DraftBoy]

Btw the Joique Bell deal is a 3 yr contract with some likely guaranteed money, expect him to make the team. I will be interviewing him again in a few months after the first few mini-camps about the draft process and about being in Buffalo.

[Ferrygoat]

Brett Johnson, S, Cal

[thejosh213]

Heard someone say jevan sneed was heading to tampa bay. Though I haven't confirmed.

[T-Long]

Brett Johnson, S, Cal

[mikemac2001]

anyone got an update of all the guys we signed

[ddaryl]

Post the Buffalo Bills UDFA's here.

Hey bud ya want to edit your top post to show all the signings ??

:bow:

[Ferrygoat]

John Destin, CB, Tulsa
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Donald Jones, WR, Youngstown St.
Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State
Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech
Brett Johnson, S, Cal
Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html

[T-Long]

Heard someone say jevan sneed was heading to tampa bay. Though I haven't confirmed.
confirmed...he is a Buc

[T-Long]

Antonio Coleman, DE/OLB, Auburn

[NOT THE DUDE...]

Antonio coleman is a good pass rushing olb prospect who could also challenge kelsay... solid....

[scartown]

The Buffalo Bills have signed undrafted free-agent WR David Nelson (Florida), according to Justin VanFulpen, of NFLDraftBible.com.

[Bosco]

Also have signed Dominique Harris, S, Temple

[Demon]

Just out of curiosity, how much do these players get paid for their contacts? Does anyone know?

[New Ro's Greatest]

Dominique Harris S Temple was also added to the list of UDFA's. GO BILLS:darth:

[SABURZFAN]

i like about 3 names so far. a lot of them i never heard of but i'll be doing some background checks.

[Bosco]

signed Sean Allen, C/G, ECU

[Nighthawk]

Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo

This kid can play...he will make the team. IMO...good for him.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Post the Buffalo Bills UDFA's here.

John Destin, CB, Tulsa
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Donald Jones, WR, Youngstown St.
Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State
Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech
Brett Johnson, S, Cal
Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn
David Nelson, WR, Florida
Dominique Harris, S, Temple
Sean Allen, C/G, ECU


Buffalo, NY
St. Joseph's Collegiate HS

A local product who has developed into one of the elite wide receivers in the nation...originally recruited as a quarterback, but has flourished as a wide receiver...dangerous returner...returned the first kick of his career for 94 yards and a touchdown at Bowling Green in 2006 - it was the first kick returned for a touchdown by a UB player since 1989...played quarterback at times during the 2007 season...his 104 catches in 2008 were one shy of the MAC record.
http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/football/roster/roosevelt.shtml

[Nighthawk]

http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/football/roster/roosevelt.shtml

We all know who he is...why do you feel the need to post crap like this?

[Bulldog]

We all know who he is...why do you feel the need to post crap like this?

Maybe for people who don't live in Buffalo or follow UB. I have not a clue who this kid is. Why does it bother you that he posted that link?

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Haven't had a player on the Bills from UB since Drew Haddad

[sdbillsfan2]

We all know who he is...why do you feel the need to post crap like this?\

I haven't lived in Buffalo in years now and don't follow UB ,some of us appreciate the background info! We ALL didn't know who he was.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

sean allen will be our back up center...

[jimbohastle51]

roosevelt will make this team. we need 3 recievers just to fill our slots on the 53 man roster to replace reed, owens and you can guarantee now parrish is gone with his salary. in my opinion our opening day recievers are easy to see. evans, johnson, hardy, easly (rookie), roosevelt (rookie), and jackson. no way roosevelt doesnt make the roster, he is the prototype possession reciever we need. and i firmly believe that steve johnson starts across evans to start the year and moves into the slot in 3 wide sets to let hardy work the outside, but its finally johnsons year to shine.

[mysticsoto]

roosevelt will make this team. we need 3 recievers just to fill our slots on the 53 man roster to replace reed, owens and you can guarantee now parrish is gone with his salary. in my opinion our opening day recievers are easy to see. evans, johnson, hardy, easly (rookie), roosevelt (rookie), and jackson. no way roosevelt doesnt make the roster, he is the prototype possession reciever we need. and i firmly believe that steve johnson starts across evans to start the year and moves into the slot in 3 wide sets to let hardy work the outside, but its finally johnsons year to shine.

I hope you're right. That would be a great WR corps to have with Evans being the shortest...

I'm still trying to get over the fact that we didn't draft 3-4 CBs or 5'2" WRs...

[NOT THE DUDE...]

roosevelt will make this team. we need 3 recievers just to fill our slots on the 53 man roster to replace reed, owens and you can guarantee now parrish is gone with his salary. in my opinion our opening day recievers are easy to see. evans, johnson, hardy, easly (rookie), roosevelt (rookie), and jackson. no way roosevelt doesnt make the roster, he is the prototype possession reciever we need. and i firmly believe that steve johnson starts across evans to start the year and moves into the slot in 3 wide sets to let hardy work the outside, but its finally johnsons year to shine.

who would u compare roosevelt with?

[nateodoms'bff]

nice to see someone from my alma mater(sp?) make it to the pro's.

Just cant hide that merauder pride!!

[mysticsoto]

This kid can play...he will make the team. IMO...good for him.

Does anyone know if the 4.62 40 time listed in nfldraftcountdown.com is accurate? That seems a little slow for a WR...

[jimbohastle51]

who would u compare roosevelt with?

in my opinion he has torry holt type skills. he only 6' and doesnt have elite speed but he is a very good route runner and catches ANYTHING throw in his vicinity. he is the type of guy (like holt used to be) that will get 15-20 yards down field and catch a ball in traffic and get away from defenders. he just has great hands, and playing in a city where bad weather is a guarantee speed isnt as important as catching a ball that isnt perfectly thrown or catching it in traffic, and this will be his specialty.

[jimbohastle51]

he is an ideal possession reciever.

[Oaf]

Maybe for people who don't live in Buffalo or follow UB. I have not a clue who this kid is. Why does it bother you that he posted that link?
Yeah WTH Nighthawk?

[JCBills]

Does anyone know if the 4.62 40 time listed in nfldraftcountdown.com is accurate? That seems a little slow for a WR...

Boldin ran a 4.7 at the combine, 7,500 yds later.....

Not comparing him to Boldin, but 40 times aren't everything.

[mysticsoto]

Boldin ran a 4.7 at the combine, 7,500 yds later.....

Not comparing him to Boldin, but 40 times aren't everything.

Boldin ran a 4.7? Wow, I always thought he was pretty fast...

[psubills62]

Does anyone know if the 4.62 40 time listed in nfldraftcountdown.com is accurate? That seems a little slow for a WR...

I believe that Roosevelt did run a 4.62 at his pro day (didn't attend the combine). I remember reading quite a bit about where he'd go in the draft before his pro day, then not much after that. I think his lack of speed really hurt his chances of getting chosen.

That being said, it seems obvious to me that the Bills are really trying to find a flanker across from Evans. All of our WR's (except Parrish, Evans) seem to fit a similar mold. I don't mind - we need possession receivers. I could easily see Evans, Johnson, Hardy, Easley, and Roosevelt all making the team.

With what Nix has said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills try to use a lot of sets with two bigger guys on the outside with Evans and Spiller used significantly in the slot.

[psubills62]

John Destin, CB, Tulsa
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Donald Jones, WR, Youngstown St.
Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State
Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech
Brett Johnson, S, Cal
Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html

Tell you what, I really like that list so far. Considering Nix said specifically that they like the DB's they brought in, and the fans are all supportive of the non-DB's they're picking up as UDFA's...

I wouldn't be surprised to see 3-4 guys just off of that list make it onto the roster.

I, too, really wanted Freddie Barnes, but I am in no way upset with Roosevelt as a UDFA.

[psubills62]

From that same site (the nepatriots one), we also have signed:

Jorge Guerra, OL, TAMUK
Cordaro Howard, OL, Georgia Tech

Don't know anything about them, not sure if they're OC's, OG's or OT's.

[psubills62]

A couple of NT's that DB wanted (Travis Ivey, Vince Oghobasse (sp?)) went to Miami. A tight end that I liked (Colin Peek) went to Atlanta. Vikings got Burgundy's hero, Ryan Perrilloux.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Roosevelt #18 was the one that caught the HAIL MARY in the endzone to beat Temple, Buffalo had to win this game to keep their MAC playoff hopes alive. Still sends chills down my spine

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Cnrc_r69B2A&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Cnrc_r69B2A&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

my god was that team good, thanks for the memories Turner Gill

[Nighthawk]

Yeah WTH Nighthawk?

Ha, ha...you guys obviously never post in the Sabres zone. If you did, you wouldn't be asking me this.

[JCBills]

Micah Johnson hasn't been snatched up yet has he?

That could be a huge UDFA pickup, someone for Andra Davis to mentor.

Yup he's still available.

[DraftBoy]

Roosevelt's biggest issue will be separation if he can gain it in the NFL, he'll make the team if he fails to show that he is CFL bound.

[BertSquirtgum]

where can i find out the players that have actually been signed? i see all these names being thrown around but it doesn't mean sh** to me.

[Al the Bills Fan]

where can i find out the players that have actually been signed? i see all these names being thrown around but it doesn't mean sh** to me.

The first post in the thread list the players that are signed by the bills

[methos4ever]

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/maJGf5asUVY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/maJGf5asUVY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Here's an ESPN piece on Bell.

[Night Train]

Some highlights form this list - Guys with a good shot.


Joique Bell won the Harlon Hill trophy- The Heisman of Div. II at Wayne St. 5-11 223 4.6. - 2009 he ran for 2084 yards.- 29 TD's. Between the tackles type but hits the hole flying and runs with power. Sounds like Lynch in build ( hint ).

Sean Allen of ECU was the 6th rated Center and projected for round 6 - 6-3 305 - 2 year starter. Thick lower body. Powerful run blocker. Keeps his feet. Drives defenders back. Can play C & G.

WR Donald Jones of Youngstown St. - 6 ft 214 - 2 year starter - Good size and hands. Excellent leaping ability. Good run after catch. Needs technique work

Antonio Coleman - Auburn - 6-1 1/2 255 - 3 year starter - rare production with 80 tackles for negative yardage. Rush DE who will convert to a 3-4 OLB. Good leverage. Long arms & big hands. Excellent 1st step. Limited coverage ability. Impact hitter who never shys away from contact. Physically & mentally tough.

[JCBills]

Micah Johnson STILL out there ahhhh.

[DraftBoy]

Id like to see us bring in a QB still to compete as a 5th guy for a PS spot. Maybe a AJ McKenna, Bill Stull, or Nick Graziano.

[NorthCarBills]

Post the Buffalo Bills UDFA's here.

John Destin, CB, Tulsa
Naaman Roosevelt, WR, Buffalo
Donald Jones, WR, Youngstown St.
Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State
Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech
Brett Johnson, S, Cal
Antonio Coleman, DE, Auburn
David Nelson, WR, Florida
Dominique Harris, S, Temple
Sean Allen, C/G, ECU
Jorge Guerra, OL, TAMUK
Cordaro Howard, OL, Georgia Tech

Good read on Coleman. Sorry if repeat. http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2010/04/24/1099613/auburns-antonio-coleman-not-one.html

[acehole]

\

I haven't lived in Buffalo in years now and don't follow UB ,some of us appreciate the background info! We ALL didn't know who he was.

I never lived in buffalo and I do appreciate that.

[YardRat]

Id like to see us bring in a QB still to compete as a 5th guy for a PS spot. Maybe a AJ McKenna, Bill Stull, or Nick Graziano.

5 arms in camp is one too many. If another newbie is brought in, one of the incumbents has to go.

[acehole]

Good read on Coleman. Sorry if repeat. http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2010/04/24/1099613/auburns-antonio-coleman-not-one.html

I wonder if he could make the switch inside next to poz..

Would be disruptive asa blitzing LB from that spot...

[DraftBoy]

5 arms in camp is one too many. If another newbie is brought in, one of the incumbents has to go.

I disagree, I think 5 arms is the perfect amount to have in camp. Your first three get 75-80% of the work, your 4th gets 10-15% and your 5th gets 5%.

Basically it breaks down to;
1-25%
2-25%
3-25%
4-20%
5-5%

You know 1 of the top 3 is likely getting cut as long as your 4th shows you something, and your 5th is a PS player. That's the ideal situation to me, given we are having an open QB competition.

[DraftBoy]

Some other guys still available;
WR AJ Jackson-California (Pa.)
NT Tommie Duhart-Valdosta
NT Callahan Bright-Shaw
WR Chris Bell-Norfolk State
RB LaMarcus Coker-Hampton
NT Abe Koroma-Western Ill

Now the most interesting name on that list should be Callahan Bright who is a former top HS recruit.

[YardRat]

I disagree, I think 5 arms is the perfect amount to have in camp. Your first three get 75-80% of the work, your 4th gets 10-15% and your 5th gets 5%.

Basically it breaks down to;
1-25%
2-25%
3-25%
4-20%
5-5%

You know 1 of the top 3 is likely getting cut as long as your 4th shows you something, and your 5th is a PS player. That's the ideal situation to me, given we are having an open QB competition.

It looks good from a % standpoint, but from strictly numbers it isn't really effective, especially for the fifth guy. If you run a 20-play drill, that breaks down to 5-5-5-4-1. 40 plays = 10-10-10-8-2. No point, IMO.

Sure you can swap the guys around on the 'depth chart' and distribute the plays more evenly, but after 10 reps of a forty play drill (assuming #4 and #5 alternate) that's 50 plays (or an entire drill plus) that could have been used by the other four guys.

IMO the more plays for the 'top end' guys the better. We need to maximize practice time to find a capable starter, not somebody that's suitable for the practice squad. Hell, we can pick up a PS player anytime...let another team waste their reps on them.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

how many players are we allowed to sign? i think its 84 right? cant remember?

[DraftBoy]

It looks good from a % standpoint, but from strictly numbers it isn't really effective, especially for the fifth guy. If you run a 20-play drill, that breaks down to 5-5-5-4-1. 40 plays = 10-10-10-8-2. No point, IMO.

Sure you can swap the guys around on the 'depth chart' and distribute the plays more evenly, but after 10 reps of a forty play drill (assuming #4 and #5 alternate) that's 50 plays (or an entire drill plus) that could have been used by the other four guys.

IMO the more plays for the 'top end' guys the better. We need to maximize practice time to find a capable starter, not somebody that's suitable for the practice squad. Hell, we can pick up a PS player anytime...let another team waste their reps on them.


The point of him is to watch and learn, he takes more mental reps than actual reps. He gets to take the majority of his reps in games.

I wouldnt swap them around at all. He gets probably 10-15 actual reps per practice, which is perfect for a 5th QB on the roster. You shouldnt try and equal out his reps, he should basically be out there to give the other guys time to get water and go over things with coaches. His development is intentionally very slow and that's why he is a PS player.

[YardRat]

how many players are we allowed to sign? i think its 84 right? cant remember?

I think it's 80 (it was prior to '09 TC, anyway), and we have 73 currently on the roster.

[YardRat]

The point of him is to watch and learn, he takes more mental reps than actual reps. He gets to take the majority of his reps in games.

I wouldnt swap them around at all. He gets probably 10-15 actual reps per practice, which is perfect for a 5th QB on the roster. You shouldnt try and equal out his reps, he should basically be out there to give the other guys time to get water and go over things with coaches. His development is intentionally very slow and that's why he is a PS player.

I can see your logic to a certain point, but still...

--It takes away from a roster spot that could be used for a position that puts more than one guy on the field at a time and will take up more spots on the final roster (LB, CB, WR, O-line, etc)

--I'd rather not see a QB on the PS anyway, for the reason above. Bigger chance of somebody getting pulled up to the regular roster due to injury and actually contribute. I'd rather have one of the previously mentioned positions practicing with the team on a daily basis.

--The difference between 4 and 5 isn't going to affect water breaks, coach time etc. There's only one (two tops, depending on the drill) on the practice field at a time.

Not trying to imply having four = right, five = wrong, or vice versa, just I would prefer to stick with four.

[DraftBoy]

I can see your logic to a certain point, but still...

--It takes away from a roster spot that could be used for a position that puts more than one guy on the field at a time and will take up more spots on the final roster (LB, CB, WR, O-line, etc)

--I'd rather not see a QB on the PS anyway, for the reason above. Bigger chance of somebody getting pulled up to the regular roster due to injury and actually contribute. I'd rather have one of the previously mentioned positions practicing with the team on a daily basis.

--The difference between 4 and 5 isn't going to affect water breaks, coach time etc. There's only one (two tops, depending on the drill) on the practice field at a time.

Not trying to imply having four = right, five = wrong, or vice versa, just I would prefer to stick with four.

All your points are solid, I just feel better with 5 instead of 4.

Like you said Im nto for sure right or you wrong, just a difference in preference.