Offseason Report

[stevenlourie]

What do you think?
http://www.footballfanspot.com/buffalobills.htm

[ServoBillieves]

What do you think?
http://www.footballfanspot.com/buffalobills.htm

No. Just, no. Poor wording, very one sided.

[BillsWin]

Didn't really like it to be honest. I felt it was very one sided. I don't mind if you didn't like the picks or the Bills in general. All I ask is that you provide reasonable reasons to back your opinion.

Just saying, "they need a QB" "they need a left tackle" over and over again doesn't really warrant giving the picks a worse grade.

I think they got plenty of value with their picks and sure, they didn't address QB or LT, but they got good players to help the transition to the 3-4 and a play maker on offense.

Spiller is not a starting caliber back? Please. Maybe he doesn't "start" in 2010, but I guarantee you he will see the bulk of offensive touches soon enough.

And I don't see how you can think Troup won't be a starting NT in the NFL when he hasn't even set foot on the field in the league yet.

[Don't Panic]

No. Just, no. Poor wording, very one sided.

Yeah... dude is a pretty awful writer. His opinion is his opinion, so I'll give him that, but if you're going to put that much time into a website, it would help to be able to write.

[Night Train]

What do you think?
http://www.footballfanspot.com/buffalobills.htm

:rofl:

Pure sophmoric crap.

[Jan Reimers]

I wish the guy had mentioned that we needed a quarterback.

[JCBills]

I'd be embarrassed to write that.



"The Bills needed a nose tackle, but Linval Joseph, Cam Thomas, and Terrence Cody were all still available. Troup is not even a starting caliber nose tackle in my mind. Taking any of those nose tackles would have been smart, as would taking Jimmy Clausen, or a left tackle, but they reached for a player."

In your mind. Are you and NFL scout?

Taking someone who fell to the 5th in the 2nd would have been smart? Then you go on to call someone a reach? What?

[TigerJ]

So, did the Bills completely forget about Terrence Cody, Cam Thomas, and Linval Joseph when they picked Torrel Troup? No, I didn't think so. So why did they pick Troup? Maybe it was because they analyzed film of all four of them, did their due diligence and decided for their purposes he was the best fit and the best value. If that is the case, should I place any value whatsoever on the opinion of some fan who read the opinions of a few pundits as he surfed the net and decided Troup was inferior to the other NTs in that second tier group of four?

This yahoo doesn't even have his facts straight on a number of his opinions. Levi Brown has plenty of arm strength for instance.

Spiller is certainly going to split his carries with Jackson and(if he's still here) Lynch. It probably isn't all that important who actually starts for the Bills. Spiller is going to be far more than a 3rd down and change of pace back. It would not surprise me if he ended up with 30 receptions or more. If you combined that with a couple hundred carries for the season and a fair number of returns, and Spiller is productive in all those areas, I think his value is fine for the first round.

Stroud is in decline, and Kyle Williams is not a good fit as a 3-4 defensive end. Kyle is more likely to play the nose on obvious passing downs IMO. I would not be terribly surprised to see Carrington start, and even if he doesn't he should get a fair amount of playng time.

This guy is correct in at least part of what he said about Ed Wang. He probably won't contribute a lot this year, as he still has a lot to learn. His athleticism suggests he has a fair amount of upside, but who knows if that will ever be fulfilled.

In this guy's blurb on Danny Batten, it's apparent he thinks the Bills see Moats as a rush linebacker along with Batten. He must not have read the Bills' own suggestions that they think Moats will play inside.

He also apparently did not readwhat Nix said about Calloway most likely being a candidate to play the interior line. Jamon Meredith, BTW is probably as much a candidate to fight for the left tackle starting position as he is right tackle, and Cornelius Green is the likely starter at RT.

I can appreciate a variety of opinions on the Bills and their draft, but if a guy is going to put his opinion out there on the internet, I can respect it more if he at least does a little homework. This guy seems to have a case of diarhea of the computer and constipation of the brain.

[The Spaz]

Fail!

[Griff]

The only way this deal makes sense is if they had traded Marshawn Lynch to the Chargers for the 28^th pick, taken Tebow at 28, and then taken a left tackle in the 2^nd round. However, they didn’t do that.

First Tebow was taken at #25, second the Chargers took Ryan Mathews why would they trade for Lynch?

[stevenlourie]

First Tebow was taken at #25, second the Chargers took Ryan Mathews why would they trade for Lynch?

I did these as the draft was happening. That's why i went back and said they didn't do that.

[stevenlourie]

So, did the Bills completely forget about Terrence Cody, Cam Thomas, and Linval Joseph when they picked Torrel Troup? No, I didn't think so. So why did they pick Troup? Maybe it was because they analyzed film of all four of them, did their due diligence and decided for their purposes he was the best fit and the best value.

.

With this argument, we shouldn't able to do critique any thing any team does

And yea, i watch tape.

[JCBills]

With this argument, we shouldn't able to do critique any thing any team does

And yea, i watch tape.
LOL

No, you watch youtube highlights and look at website rankings of players.

And no, you shouldn't be able to critique anything any team does anyways as shown by you several times in your own "offseason report".

[BillsWin]

And yea, i watch tape.

Watching fan made youtube highlights is not "watching tape".

[stevenlourie]

LOL

No, you watch youtube highlights and look at website rankings of players.

And no, you shouldn't be able to critique anything any team does anyways as shown by you several times in your own "offseason report".

I watch games. I read analysis as well (because I can't watch every game)

And I would dispute what you said in that last paragraph but I don't know what your saying. There must have been a typo.

[SABURZFAN]

HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!


all that it is is a piss and moan report about how the Bills didn't get the guys you wanted. how many times can you run "need a QB" and "need a LT" into the ground?

[Mr. Pink]

I watch games. I read analysis as well (because I can't watch every game)

And I would dispute what you said in that last paragraph but I don't know what your saying. There must have been a typo.


I wasn't even going to respond to this thread/article because it's so outlandish and idiotic, it is almost beyond comprehensible.

However, you are seriously going to critique someone else's typing/writing style?

Did you even attempt to read that drivel you wrote?

Not only is critiquing of players just unfathomable and wrong, your writing needs a lot of work.

[stevenlourie]

HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!


all that it is is a piss and moan report about how the Bills didn't get the guys you wanted. how many times can you run "need a QB" and "need a LT" into the ground?

Do they not need those positions? I repeated it because it was important. Trent Edwards behind that line is tried and failed. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. They needed to either get him better protection or replace him. A running back helps some and Spiller is talented, but behind a bad line and with an eight man box, it's going to be hard to run. Not to mention, 3 of the 5 leaders in rushing yards last year didn't even make the playoffs.

[stevenlourie]

I wasn't even going to respond to this thread/article because it's so outlandish and idiotic, it is almost beyond comprehensible.

However, you are seriously going to critique someone else's typing/writing style?

Did you even attempt to read that drivel you wrote?

Not only is critiquing of players just unfathomable and wrong, your writing needs a lot of work.

I read it because of the criticism. I didn't see anything wrong with it. It's repetitive, but you can sense my frustration for the team not fixing important needs. I was frustrated when writing it and kept saying the same things.

[JCBills]

I watch games. I read analysis as well (because I can't watch every game)

And I would dispute what you said in that last paragraph but I don't know what your saying. There must have been a typo.

Lol, it may have been a bit of a run-on sentence, I could have peppered in a comma or two, but it pales in comparison to your comical display.

[SABURZFAN]

Do they not need those positions? I repeated it because it was important. Trent Edwards behind that line is tried and failed. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. They needed to either get him better protection or replace him. A running back helps some and Spiller is talented, but behind a bad line and with an eight man box, it's going to be hard to run. Not to mention, 3 of the 5 leaders in rushing yards last year didn't even make the playoffs.


yes, they are needed positions but you don't piss away draft picks on needs when the quality is poor. that was the case after 8 picks. the best QB and the best T's were taken. so they went with BPA.

[evdawg419]

It's crap like this that makes draft grades pointless. The draft isn't as simple as identifying needs and filling them with a body. What's the point of just filling a position if the player sucks? The Bills didn't think any of the QBs or LTs at 9 or 41 were worth the pick and ready to contribute right away. Sure they have a need there, but if you take a guy that isn't ready to play over a guy at another position who is, you just made the situation worse.

Teams spend millions of dollars sending scouts all over the country to get a better look at players. I trust their opinion on a player like Troup to fit their particular system than a kid who actually recognizes names like Cody because the media hypes up his weight loss.

[SABURZFAN]

The Bills didn't think any of the QBs or LTs at 9 or 41 were worth the pick and ready to contribute right away. Sure they have a need there, but if you take a guy that isn't ready to play over a guy at another position who is, you just made the situation worse.



:bf1:

[stevenlourie]

I'll issue you the same deal I made a broncos forum (they didn't like my D grade either, go figure). If you guys win more than 6 games, I'll issue a public apology on my site. If they win 6 or less, I'll come here and gloat because I'm right, because when you get down to it, it's my opinion against yours and no one will be right until the games are played and we see what these players are made of.

[stevenlourie]

It's crap like this that makes draft grades pointless. The draft isn't as simple as identifying needs and filling them with a body. What's the point of just filling a position if the player sucks? The Bills didn't think any of the QBs or LTs at 9 or 41 were worth the pick and ready to contribute right away. Sure they have a need there, but if you take a guy that isn't ready to play over a guy at another position who is, you just made the situation worse.

Teams spend millions of dollars sending scouts all over the country to get a better look at players. I trust their opinion on a player like Troup to fit their particular system than a kid who actually recognizes names like Cody because the media hypes up his weight loss.

I had a draft board based on games I watched (many) + opinions of guys I trust. Clausen is not some scrub (as I can guarantee you will find out soon) and neither is Charles Brown (LT USC, went 64th to Saints)

[evdawg419]

I had a draft board based on games I watched (many) + opinions of guys I trust. Clausen is not some scrub (as I can guarantee you will find out soon) and neither is Charles Brown (LT USC, went 64th to Saints)

Who cares? The point is the Bills know their roster much better than you do and know the prospects (and their medical situation as with Brown) better than you do. There is a reason those players fell and 32 NFL teams have the resources to know way more than you. Sure these picks could end up not working out, but we won't know for two or three years. There is absolutely no point in grading them now.

[JCBills]

I'll issue you the same deal I made a broncos forum (they didn't like my D grade either, go figure). If you guys win more than 6 games, I'll issue a public apology on my site. If they win 6 or less, I'll come here and gloat because I'm right, because when you get down to it, it's my opinion against yours and no one will be right until the games are played and we see what these players are made of.

Your joke of an analysis now turns into a how many games we win this year gig?

[Mr. Pink]

I'll issue you the same deal I made a broncos forum (they didn't like my D grade either, go figure). If you guys win more than 6 games, I'll issue a public apology on my site. If they win 6 or less, I'll come here and gloat because I'm right, because when you get down to it, it's my opinion against yours and no one will be right until the games are played and we see what these players are made of.


Way to go out on a huge limb buddy!

The Bills likely would have won 6 or less regardless of who they drafted this year.

[jamze132]

Is the author of this article the only guy (besides those quacks at ESPN) who doesn't realize we are rebuilding and it can't be done in one offseason?

[acehole]

What do you think?
http://www.footballfanspot.com/buffalobills.htm

Not bad but you really left out a lot of info like they really need a qb and left tackle.

:crap:

Good stuff thought thanks.

[TigerJ]

I'll give you credit, stevenlourie, for coming here, taking your lumps and defending your opinion. It is true that opinions on players will vary from one person to the next. You prefer Cody, Thomas and Joseph to Troup. Buddy Nix and the Bills coaching staff like Troup. As much film as you watch, I'm guessing you don't have as much information as the Bills. Still, both your opinion and the opinion of the Bills is nothing more than opinion. Ultimately, we'll see whose opinion gets validated.

[psubills62]

I'll issue you the same deal I made a broncos forum (they didn't like my D grade either, go figure). If you guys win more than 6 games, I'll issue a public apology on my site. If they win 6 or less, I'll come here and gloat because I'm right, because when you get down to it, it's my opinion against yours and no one will be right until the games are played and we see what these players are made of.

There are very, very few people here who think the Bills will win more than 6 games this year.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the appropriate draft grade a team gets in a particular year does NOT necessarily correlate with their record in that year. You can "come here and gloat" all you want, but no one will take you seriously.

[Luisito23]

Watching fan made youtube highlights is not "watching tape".



He meant he watches porn tapes...:whistle:

[Beebe's Kid]

From the article
Spiller is not a starting caliber running back.

This is good...

You think Spiller is a toy? How much tape did you watch again?

I guess I'll give you the credit for having the stones to write this. I would never be able to post a piece of drivel like this and then join a fan forum and try to defend it.

So, what you lack in terms of your scouting ability, you make up for in shamelessness, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

[OpIv37]

So, did the Bills completely forget about Terrence Cody, Cam Thomas, and Linval Joseph when they picked Torrel Troup? No, I didn't think so. So why did they pick Troup? Maybe it was because they analyzed film of all four of them, did their due diligence and decided for their purposes he was the best fit and the best value. If that is the case, should I place any value whatsoever on the opinion of some fan who read the opinions of a few pundits as he surfed the net and decided Troup was inferior to the other NTs in that second tier group of four?


If you don't want to trust the opinion of some fan who read a few pundits, fine.

But even if you assume that the Bills analyzed film and did their due diligence, why would you assume that they would get it correct? This is an org that has sucked at drafting for years. And before you say "Well this is Buddy Nix's first draft," Brandon, Modrak, Overdorf and most importantly Ralph are still there.

Performance dictates title, not competence. This organization has not earned the benefit of the doubt. The onus is on them to prove that they are right and the pundits are wrong. Until then, this looks like just another bad pick by the Bills.

[Night Train]

What does winning 6 games this coming season have to do with how we drafted this April ? A new admin. is rebuilding a 10 year botch job and will need 2+ off-seasons to correct this. Why did Corey Chavous, an ex-player who studied hours of film each day for a living, give us an A, strictly based on talent and not need ? Probably because we went BPA and didn't reach.

Drafting Bulaga and Colt McCoy would make us more acceptable to the media in April and crappy, once the real bullets fly, IMO. So either way, the critics get to cry. Win/win for them. :rolleyes:

[justasportsfan]

If you don't want to trust the opinion of some fan who read a few pundits, fine.

But even if you assume that the Bills analyzed film and did their due diligence, why would you assume that they would get it correct? This is an org that has sucked at drafting for years. And before you say "Well this is Buddy Nix's first draft," Brandon, Modrak, Overdorf and most importantly Ralph are still there.

Performance dictates title, not competence. This organization has not earned the benefit of the doubt. The onus is on them to prove that they are right and the pundits are wrong. Until then, this looks like just another bad pick by the Bills.

funny, Ralph was there too when we went to 4 straight sb's. What now? What now?

Blaming Nix for the last few years is hilarious.

[OpIv37]

What does winning 6 games this coming season have to do with how we drafted this April ? A new admin. is rebuilding a 10 year botch job and will need 2+ off-seasons to correct this. Why did Corey Chavous, an ex-player who studied hours of film each day for a living, give us an A, strictly based on talent and not need ? Probably because we went BPA and didn't reach.

Drafting Bulaga and Colt McCoy would make us more acceptable to the media in April and crappy, once the real bullets fly, IMO. So either way, the critics get to cry. Win/win for them. :rolleyes:

Lots of people who study hours of film each day think we botched the draft. Some of them are ex-players too. Why is Chavous any better or any worse than them?

The consensus is that the Bills blew the draft. So, either Chavous is right, or damn near everyone else is right. Drafting isn't an exact science, so it's possible that everyone else is wrong and this will turn out to be a good draft, but it sure as hell isn't likely.

People seem to pick and choose their opinions of the draftniks based on what they say about the Bills, and it's really frustrating.

[OpIv37]

funny, Ralph was there too when we went to 4 straight sb's. What now? What now?

Blaming Nix for the last few years is hilarious.

I did no such thing.

If you look at the history of this organization, it has been terrible for its entire existence, save a few years in the AFL in the early 60's and most of the 90's. Ralph gets it wrong a HELL of a lot more than he gets it right. And in case you haven't noticed, the game has changed a LOT since the Bills' SB days, and Ralph hasn't changed with it. He's a dinosaur with no clue how to win in the modern NFL.

Buddy Nix can't fix total organizational failure.

[justasportsfan]

I did no such thing.

If you look at the history of this organization, it has been terrible for its entire existence, save a few years in the AFL in the early 60's and most of the 90's. Ralph gets it wrong a HELL of a lot more than he gets it right. And in case you haven't noticed, the game has changed a LOT since the Bills' SB days, and Ralph hasn't changed with it. He's a dinosaur with no clue how to win in the modern NFL.

Buddy Nix can't fix total organizational failure.


and the bills scuked prior to the 90's yet Polian fixed it. What now? What now?

[Ron Burgundy]

Draft grades are a waste of ****ing time, and forming an opinion (either yea or nay) based off of them is completely ******ed.

[SABURZFAN]

I'll issue you the same deal I made a broncos forum (they didn't like my D grade either, go figure). If you guys win more than 6 games, I'll issue a public apology on my site. If they win 6 or less, I'll come here and gloat because I'm right, because when you get down to it, it's my opinion against yours and no one will be right until the games are played and we see what these players are made of.


so you REALLY think that a rookie QB and rookie LT would give the Bills more than 6 wins this year? REALLY?? we dealt with a 1st rounder that didn't see the field much last year. and before you counter with "you play him because he is a 1st rounder" crap, let me remind you that you don't stick a QB at the #9 pick, making beaucoup money, behind an OL that is in transition to get better. especially when you have a rookie LT protecting his blindside.

this team needs playmakers and Day 1 starters. i'll leave it to the new regime to improve my favorite football team before i listen to some hack from a rinky dink website.

[Night Train]

I don't think Chavous nailed it by giving our Draft an "A" but it's probably somewhere in the middle.

I just laugh at the folks that seem to take some sort of glee in waving the " we suck " broad brush and shoot down anyone with any sort of enthusiasm for a new beginning. I know the last 10 years well.

We all know the Ralph Wilson history lesson and constantly repeating the same tripe over and over impresses no one.

Sorry I sat through the 1965 championship season as a kid. Sorry I enjoyed watching O.J. dominate the NFL. Sorry I enjoyed the late 70's early 80's Chuck Knox teams. Sorry I enjoyed most of the 1988-2000 seasons. :rolleyes:

It's a new admin and I'll give them a chance. If that irks some, too bad.

[SABURZFAN]

Draft grades are a waste of ****ing time, and forming an opinion (either yea or nay) based off of them is completely ******ed.


so was going to that footballpissspot website.

[OpIv37]

I don't think Chavous nailed it by giving our Draft an "A" but it's probably somewhere in the middle.

I just laugh at the folks that seem to take some sort of glee in waving the " we suck " broad brush and shoot down anyone with any sort of enthusiasm for a new beginning. I know the last 10 years well.

We all know the Ralph Wilson history lesson and constantly repeating the same tripe over and over impresses no one.

Sorry I sat through the 1965 championship season as a kid. Sorry I enjoyed watching O.J. dominate the NFL. Sorry I enjoyed the late 70's early 80's Chuck Knox teams. Sorry I enjoyed most of the 1988-2000 seasons. :rolleyes:

It's a new admin and I'll give them a chance. If that irks some, too bad.

There's no glee in it- it's simply reality.

It's same ****, different day until they prove otherwise, and this draft was less than convincing.

[OpIv37]

and the bills scuked prior to the 90's yet Polian fixed it. What now? What now?

Even a blind fly lands on **** sometimes. Once again, the BZ mantra of using the exception to prove the rule.

[justasportsfan]

Even a blind fly lands on **** sometimes.thats your answer? WRONG ! Polian went on to to build a successful franchise with the Colts.

You're reaching.

What about the Pats, they were a disaster prior to BB.

We are going to fail because Nix is a proven failure. Whatever.

[OpIv37]

thats your answer? WRONG ! Polian went on to to build a successful franchise with the Colts.

You're reaching.

What about the Pats, they were a disaster prior to BB.

We are going to fail because Nix is a proven failure. Whatever.

I wasn't talking about Polian- I was talking about Ralph. He found Polian- that was the exception. The rest of his GM choices have sucked.

We are going to fail because Ralph and his three-headed incompetence monster have proven they don't know their asses from a hole in the ground, and it shows in the coach, the GM and the players.

[stevenlourie]

we'll considering you guys won 6 games last year, and you don't think you will when anymore than 6 games this year based on this draft, then, correct me if I'm wrong, that doesn't sound like a good draft. Rookies don't have huge impacts, but you'd like to at least make your team 1 win better than the year before. Bulking up the line and getting Trent Edwards more time behind the line probably wins you more games. Drafting an elite talent at quarterback probly wins you more games than last year (see Detroit with Matt Stafford 0 to 2, Atlanta with Matt Ryan 3 to 11, Joe Flacco 5 to 10 with Baltimore, etc.)

[psubills62]

Drafting an elite talent at quarterback probly wins you more games than last year (see Detroit with Matt Stafford 0 to 2, Atlanta with Matt Ryan 3 to 11, Joe Flacco 5 to 10 with Baltimore, etc.)
Did you seriously just use that as an example? :rofl:

[tampabay25690]

Dont like it

[TigerJ]

we'll considering you guys won 6 games last year, and you don't think you will when anymore than 6 games this year based on this draft, then, correct me if I'm wrong, that doesn't sound like a good draft. Rookies don't have huge impacts, but you'd like to at least make your team 1 win better than the year before. Bulking up the line and getting Trent Edwards more time behind the line probably wins you more games. Drafting an elite talent at quarterback probly wins you more games than last year (see Detroit with Matt Stafford 0 to 2, Atlanta with Matt Ryan 3 to 11, Joe Flacco 5 to 10 with Baltimore, etc.)If under the same regime a team doesn't improve every year from a low starting point, I figure there had better be some pretty extenuating circumstances or I want the coach gone. We were perhaps too patient with Dick Jauron out of a desire for a little continuity to develop.

However, when the ownership brings in an entirely new staff (Buddy Nix had been here for a short time but not as GM), that staff changes both offensive and defensive systems requiring a significant change in the team player personnel mix, I think it's fair to cut them a little more slack. It's entirely possible that either Trent Edwards or Brian Brohm does pretty well as starting QB this season. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills do win more than 6 games. However, I don't really blame Nix and Gailey for thinking they might have a QB on the roster now who could be good if it doesn't turn out that way.

I thought the Bills might have taken Bulaga at 9 overall, but there are pundits out there who think he'll have to play right tackle in the NFL. If Nix agrees with that opinion, I can understand why he might not have wanted to pick him. Likewise, I thought the maturity issues of Anthony Davis made him a major risk at #9 overall. What of reports about Charles Brown's bum knee? I think Saffold was gone by the time the Bills picked in the second. I thought the Bills might have interest in Tony Washington. Turns out no one did. So, yeah, I'm a little disappointed they didn't get someone who is a little more NFL ready than Ed Wang, but with another year of experience under their belts Demetrius Bell and Jamon Meredith might be at least closer to adequate.

[stevenlourie]

Did you seriously just use that as an example? :rofl:

lol, a bit ridiculous, but still an improvement nonetheless

[SABURZFAN]

Drafting an elite talent at quarterback probly wins you more games than last year (see Detroit with Matt Stafford 0 to 2, Atlanta with Matt Ryan 3 to 11, Joe Flacco 5 to 10 with Baltimore, etc.)


for chrissakes.... THERE WASN'T ANY ELITE QBS AVAILABLE AT #9 AND #41!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!


MCFLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ANYBODY IN THERE??????????

[SABURZFAN]

lol, a bit ridiculous, but still an improvement nonetheless


yeah.... from first overall in the NFL Draft last year to #2 overall in the draft this past year. :rolleyes:

[Philagape]

we'll considering you guys won 6 games last year, and you don't think you will when anymore than 6 games this year based on this draft, then, correct me if I'm wrong, that doesn't sound like a good draft. Rookies don't have huge impacts, but you'd like to at least make your team 1 win better than the year before. Bulking up the line and getting Trent Edwards more time behind the line probably wins you more games. Drafting an elite talent at quarterback probly wins you more games than last year (see Detroit with Matt Stafford 0 to 2, Atlanta with Matt Ryan 3 to 11, Joe Flacco 5 to 10 with Baltimore, etc.)

1. A lot of debate over whether Clausen is "elite"
2. Trent Edwards needs more heart more than he needs more time.

[stevenlourie]

Clausen was the best quarterback in this draft class and in a few years I think you'll regret passing on him

[stevenlourie]

yeah.... from first overall in the NFL Draft last year to #2 overall in the draft this past year. :rolleyes:

Lol, hey, using math, they were infinitely better this year than last, haha, for what that matters.

[SABURZFAN]

Lol, hey, using math, they were infinitely better this year than last, haha, for what that matters.


let me get this straight.... so if the Bills pick 10th overall next season, you're saying they got better.